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"David Eduardo" wrote:


"Telamon" wrote in message
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As has been shown, even at FCC level, there is no significant usage of
stations adjacent to locals in each market. So there is no loss if there
is
what ammounts to unmeasurable listening.

Again the marketing viewpoint. This isn't a radio marketing news group
it is a hobby news group where people listen for other reasons than
tuning in for the programming material. That is not to say that the
programming is not the reason as I have tuned in out of market stations
to get programs not offered in my area.

When I began DXing, I not only joined NRC, NNRC, IRC, MWC, NZDXL, etc., but
I also subscribed to Broadcasting and Sponsor and such and learned about the
reason why I was hearing what I heard. Now, you say hobbyists have no
interest in the actual stations they listen too. You just gave me another
reason not to answer verification (QSL) requests.

Snip

Where did I indicate that I or others don't care about the stations we
listen too? I'm saying other people have reasons other than my own.

Some people like to DX stations, which often are the adjacent channels
to the locals. I don't DX to get QSL cards but other people do as a
hobby. I listen to out of market stations for the programming because I
am a program listener. I also tune through the AMBCB day and night to
see what distant stations I can hear. IBOC is limiting what I can hear.
I actually spend most of my listening time to out of my market stations
from the LA and San Diego areas by day and points further north and east
of me like KGO and KOH at night.

I spend the majority listening of my AMBCB listening to KOGO, KFI, KABC,
KNX and the local KVTA by day and add KGO and KOH at night. I spend a
little time with KTMS during the day, I can't get them very well at
night.

I would listen to KRLA but they put in a lousy signal even during the
day.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
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Snip

Where did I indicate that I or others don't care about the stations we
listen too? I'm saying other people have reasons other than my own.

If you say there is no interest in knowing about HD, then there is a de
facto lack of interest in the stations.

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Not by a long shot. But Univision obviously thinks his time is
well spent shilling here.

I do this while waiting in airports, or in down time before
research projects... or while listening to them....

You, on the other hand, have nothing to do _but_ attacking
Hispanics, Canadians, owners of R-75's and such.

Well, I do attack dumbass Canucks, fake Hispanics, illegal
Hispanics and those who are unfortunate enough to not be able to
tell that they are R75's vs. R-75's. (Look at the front panel, you
pedantic *******!).

What a hot button. I also have an R-8-b and an R*390.

How does the sound from the R8B compare to the R390? What do you use
for speakers on each radio? What antennas do you use?

I own a Drake R8B and an Ten-Tech RX340 that I use most of the time.

For AMBCB I use a 50 foot circumference shielded loop antenna in a
rectangular shape and Sony bookshelf speakers.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David Eduardo wrote:
The greater good is trying to preserve the existing free terrestrial
broadcast system, which will not endure unless a digital alternative is
offered.

We got that through numerous posts you have made.

You may have. DXass certainly hasn't, nor has Steve and the now-absent
"IBOC_Sucks" guy.


And yet, you're the one who wrote, in post 173, that AM will never
become primarily digital and, in fact, you say you "have never heard it
discussed."

I think you need to get your story straight. Is digital the future or
not? And don't tell me that you think the "digital alternative" is the
half assed deployment of HD we've seen over the last couple of years.
If that's the case, then it's totally nap time for this thread.

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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Snip

Where did I indicate that I or others don't care about the stations we
listen too? I'm saying other people have reasons other than my own.

If you say there is no interest in knowing about HD, then there is a de
facto lack of interest in the stations.

I know about HD and I don't think it has big enough payoff for the
listener for the cost of equipment.

I do not like the way HD is being implemented on AMBCB causing
interference to distant stations.

I don't like the fact that IBOC adversely affects my listening of analog
signals.

I listen to stations that are transmitting IBOC but I don't have a
receiver to get the digital signal. I might get a HD radio when the V2
radios come out if the IBOC standard continues to look stable. For
starters the makers of HD radios should make them upgradable and I
would like IBOC to be an open standard.

Where do my posts indicate a non-interest about AMBCB stations that use
IBOC?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David Eduardo wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Not by a long shot. But Univision obviously thinks his time is well
spent
shilling
here.

I do this while waiting in airports, or in down time before research
projects... or while listening to them....

You, on the other hand, have nothing to do _but_ attacking Hispanics,
Canadians, owners of R-75's and such.

Well, I do attack dumbass Canucks, fake Hispanics, illegal Hispanics and
those
who are unfortunate enough to not be able to tell that they are R75's vs.
R-75's. (Look at the front panel, you pedantic *******!).

What a hot button. I also have an R-8-b and an R*390.

WTFC.

Hey iBiquity shill, take a look at this !

From RWOnline:

IBOC Pulled From FCC Agenda for Now

For a while there it looked like we'd get some decisions at last on
various important aspects of digital radio in the United States. But
the FCC pulled the final authorization for IBOC off its agenda Thursday

morning. A spokesman told RW Online, "It isn't done."

Stations will have to wait longer for easier notification procedures
when they fire up their digital transmitters or decide to multicast.

There was no indication of when commissioners might finalize the item,
which was expected to include a provision for multicasting, so stations

would no longer need an STA to split their digital signals, as well as
a strategy to handle AM nighttime authorization.

"Steve" wrote in message
ups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
The greater good is trying to preserve the existing free terrestrial
broadcast system, which will not endure unless a digital alternative
is
offered.

We got that through numerous posts you have made.

You may have. DXass certainly hasn't, nor has Steve and the now-absent
"IBOC_Sucks" guy.


And yet, you're the one who wrote, in post 173, that AM will never
become primarily digital and, in fact, you say you "have never heard it
discussed."

I think that most listening in the future will be to the digital signal, not
the analog. I have never heard anyone talk about turning analog off.

Pete KE9OA wrote:
Neither WBBM, WTMJ, not WGN seemed to care. First hand experience, since I
am one of the people who contacted them, letting them know that they had
lost a listener. They don't care. They are too busy putting on appearances,
being "with it".

Clearly,but if "loyal listeners" called or emailed that it sounds like
someone taking a shower all day they might do something.
DX'ers are a non issue to them. and who actually listens to WBBM anyway?
There's never a moment of silence between news and commercials,never


Pete

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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"David" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:03:33 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"dxAce" wrote in message
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I currently have that problem here with a station I used to listen to
regularly on
790 that is now totally obliterated by the daytime IBOC from 780.

No can listen no more.

I know the station itself could care less.

You are an idiot. I don't know a real broadcaster on the planet who
reacts with indifference when told his signal is getting trashed and
that he has lost a listener.

If they are out of the metro (MSA), we don't care. There is no money in
out of market audience.

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
.com...

"dxAce" wrote in message
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AM HD compares favorably to most online streams, to iPod audio, and the
that
available currently from satellite. It is vastly better than analog AM.

Yeah, and it QRM's two additional channels to boot!

Channels nobody is listening to.


David, **** OFF! I don't generally use foul language, but you bring it out
in me. And that ain't good. You keep saying nobody is listening. Well, you
are then calling everyone in this NG, and tens-to-hundreds of thousands of
people across the US, and hundreds-of-thousands to MILLIONS in Canada,
Mexico and the Caribbean "nobody".

The measurement of out of market listening in the US and Mexico shows that
there is next to zero listening to out of market signals. Compared to the
gain to be had with HD, the infentissimal loss of out of market listening is
a very reasonable trade. we are talking about a minor sacrifice, and in
exchange getting a possible extension of the product life of both AM and FM
radio.

In the Aribtron data, which includes every county in the US and Puerto Rico,
there are only a couple of hundred stations out of 13,500 that get listening
outside their own market (MSA). Most of these cases are adjacent markets,
like Riverside and LA or Palm Beach and the Miami MSA, and are for mostly
FM. A few AM cases are known, mostly like WGN and WLS that have local, and
protected, signals in several adjacent metros due to the unusual ground
conductivith of parts of the Midwest. These are very few in number.

In the Caribbean, there are ISLANDS. There is no listening from one Island
to another on AM or FM. The listening patterns are like the US, but the
local bands tend to be fuller so stations in other towns on the same islands
can´t be heard (Puerto Rico ha 132 stations) And geography makes out of
market FM listening impssible. AM is almost gone in the Lesser Antilles,
with more than half the AMs of 25 years ago gone, and the local listening is
to FM.

In Mexico, there is a very high station density, so much so that AMs have
reduced power because they do not get any gain from rural coverage... as
there are local stations in all areas.

We take great offense to that. I consider your IBOC shilling SPAM, and if
you continue with it on this NG, I will personally mount a campaign to
have you releaved of your internet access. WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT! Not
the shilling, and not the QRM. GO AWAY!

I am so scared I am trembling.

You can't fact the facts, obviously.

David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo', fake Hispanic since c.2000 and
paid shill for Univision Radio/iBiquity wrote:

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
.com...

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


AM HD compares favorably to most online streams, to iPod audio, and the
that
available currently from satellite. It is vastly better than analog AM.

Yeah, and it QRM's two additional channels to boot!

Channels nobody is listening to.


David, **** OFF! I don't generally use foul language, but you bring it out
in me. And that ain't good. You keep saying nobody is listening. Well, you
are then calling everyone in this NG, and tens-to-hundreds of thousands of
people across the US, and hundreds-of-thousands to MILLIONS in Canada,
Mexico and the Caribbean "nobody".

The measurement of out of market listening in the US and Mexico shows that
there is next to zero listening to out of market signals. Compared to the
gain to be had with HD, the infentissimal loss of out of market listening is
a very reasonable trade. we are talking about a minor sacrifice, and in
exchange getting a possible extension of the product life of both AM and FM
radio.

In the Aribtron data, which includes every county in the US and Puerto Rico,
there are only a couple of hundred stations out of 13,500 that get listening
outside their own market (MSA). Most of these cases are adjacent markets,
like Riverside and LA or Palm Beach and the Miami MSA, and are for mostly
FM. A few AM cases are known, mostly like WGN and WLS that have local, and
protected, signals in several adjacent metros due to the unusual ground
conductivith of parts of the Midwest. These are very few in number.

In the Caribbean, there are ISLANDS. There is no listening from one Island
to another on AM or FM. The listening patterns are like the US, but the
local bands tend to be fuller so stations in other towns on the same islands
can´t be heard (Puerto Rico ha 132 stations) And geography makes out of
market FM listening impssible. AM is almost gone in the Lesser Antilles,
with more than half the AMs of 25 years ago gone, and the local listening is
to FM.

In Mexico, there is a very high station density, so much so that AMs have
reduced power because they do not get any gain from rural coverage... as
there are local stations in all areas.

We take great offense to that. I consider your IBOC shilling SPAM, and if
you continue with it on this NG, I will personally mount a campaign to
have you releaved of your internet access. WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT! Not
the shilling, and not the QRM. GO AWAY!

I am so scared I am trembling.

"You need to take a drink or a pill or a toke or something."

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA