Have you proven your proficiency on packet,
RTTY, or PSK31? Why not? But everyone else is supposed to prove
proficiency on morse code? Why? Because you did?

Your average no-coder is as ignorant about the computer assisted digital modes
as they are of the original digital, CW. CW is an operator skill; the computer
assisted digital modes are just button pushing, with technology replacing
operator skill.

K0MB

"MailfrmPA" wrote in message
...
Have you proven your proficiency on packet,
RTTY, or PSK31? Why not? But everyone else is supposed to prove
proficiency on morse code? Why? Because you did?

Your average no-coder is as ignorant about the computer assisted digital
modes
as they are of the original digital, CW. CW is an operator skill; the
computer
assisted digital modes are just button pushing, with technology replacing
operator skill.

Seems it pretty much has anyway. Mostly appliance operators. How many could
actually build a transmitter or receiver (simple AM, let alone SSB or any
digital mode)? My code is so rusty there's very little metal left, but if
pressed, I would still be able to use it. And though I like the new rigs
with all their bells and whistles, I could still put myself on the air on
any HF or VHF band with parts out of my junk box (can't vouch for frequency
stability on VHF, though.. :P)

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"MailfrmPA" wrote in message
...
Have you proven your proficiency on packet,
RTTY, or PSK31? Why not? But everyone else is supposed to prove
proficiency on morse code? Why? Because you did?

Your average no-coder is as ignorant about the computer assisted digital
modes
as they are of the original digital, CW. CW is an operator skill; the
computer
assisted digital modes are just button pushing, with technology
replacing
operator skill.

Seems it pretty much has anyway. Mostly appliance operators. How many
could
actually build a transmitter or receiver (simple AM, let alone SSB or any
digital mode)? My code is so rusty there's very little metal left, but if
pressed, I would still be able to use it. And though I like the new rigs
with all their bells and whistles, I could still put myself on the air on
any HF or VHF band with parts out of my junk box (can't vouch for
frequency
stability on VHF, though.. :P)

I am still using some equipment that I have designed and built from scratch.

-n6ojn

Hi,
Dumbs can be taught, it may take longer.
Lazy whiny buggers are no good for anything.

ac5tx wrote:

To dumb to learn CW??? Sad , how sad
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...

Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.

Additionally,

we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn

it.

And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
news:11PDb.727085$6C4.501773@pd7tw1no...
Hi,
Dumbs can be taught, it may take longer.
Lazy whiny buggers are no good for anything.

ac5tx wrote:

To dumb to learn CW??? Sad , how sad
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...


People don't seem to get the concept of the difference between 'stupid' and
'ignorant'. The truly stupid cannot be taught, at least without great
effort. The ignorant simply don't know anything about a given subject, and
can be taught. The lazy are another thing entirely, and can be either
stupid or ignorant, and not WANT to learn. :)

"ergo" wrote in message
news:ervDb.558927$Tr4.1525175@attbi_s03...
If hams want to perform emergency work,why not let more of us nice
no-coders into HF?

Notice it's always the no-coders bitching about having to learn CW. If they
are going to do away with the code, then at least replace it with something
technically challenging. My 10 year old was copying 5 wpm after 2 weeks of
study, so what's so damn hard about it? It just might keep the damn CB'ers
of the ham bands, at least the CB'ers in my neighborhood. They sound about
as intelligent as a shoelace.

And then you have the arguement "I had to learn code, so should you". That
is valid to a point, and I agree partially with that. What's next, give
them $10 and they give you a ham license? Hell, us VE's don't even have to
pay for a renewal anymore. CW is dependable...regardless of what some say.

Just an observation...
Some of us hams (and others) have posted our comment and moved on. Has
anyone else notice that ergo, Hamguy, Noonair and Bill Turner also post....
and post.... and post... and post some more.... as if their word on a topic
is the final word? I understand that we all have different opinions (and
this is one also), and there is no limit to posting, but where does the
opinion part stop and arrogance take over? Seems to me that posting too much
about one topic eventually makes your opinion weak and invalid.

(I would have not posted again except for this observation thing.... I just
had to throw in one more).

Mark W4UDX
(Please use your calls people... don't be sissies)!

"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

Addendum:
BTW: I also post too much! I also do not wish those that I mentioned to
think I am attacking them personally - I agree with much that they have
said!

Mark W4UDX


wrote in message
.. .
Just an observation...
Some of us hams (and others) have posted our comment and moved on. Has
anyone else notice that ergo, Hamguy, Noonair and Bill Turner also
post....
and post.... and post... and post some more.... as if their word on a
topic
is the final word? I understand that we all have different opinions (and
this is one also), and there is no limit to posting, but where does the
opinion part stop and arrogance take over? Seems to me that posting too
much
about one topic eventually makes your opinion weak and invalid.

(I would have not posted again except for this observation thing.... I
just
had to throw in one more).

Mark W4UDX
(Please use your calls people... don't be sissies)!

"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we
should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use
a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or
not,
CW is TOAST!

i b newbie

wrote in message
.. .
Just an observation...
Some of us hams (and others) have posted our comment and moved on. Has
anyone else notice that ergo, Hamguy, Noonair and Bill Turner also
post....
and post.... and post... and post some more.... as if their word on a
topic
is the final word? I understand that we all have different opinions (and
this is one also), and there is no limit to posting, but where does the
opinion part stop and arrogance take over? Seems to me that posting too
much
about one topic eventually makes your opinion weak and invalid.

(I would have not posted again except for this observation thing.... I
just
had to throw in one more).

Mark W4UDX
(Please use your calls people... don't be sissies)!

"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we
should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use
a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or
not,
CW is TOAST!

i can not use my call as olde fartz wont talk to me when i get to be general

wrote in message
.. .
Addendum:
BTW: I also post too much! I also do not wish those that I mentioned to
think I am attacking them personally - I agree with much that they have
said!

Mark W4UDX


wrote in message
.. .
Just an observation...
Some of us hams (and others) have posted our comment and moved on. Has
anyone else notice that ergo, Hamguy, Noonair and Bill Turner also
post....
and post.... and post... and post some more.... as if their word on a
topic
is the final word? I understand that we all have different opinions (and
this is one also), and there is no limit to posting, but where does the
opinion part stop and arrogance take over? Seems to me that posting too
much
about one topic eventually makes your opinion weak and invalid.

(I would have not posted again except for this observation thing.... I
just
had to throw in one more).

Mark W4UDX
(Please use your calls people... don't be sissies)!

"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we
should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to
use
a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to
learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as
CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it.
Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or
not,
CW is TOAST!

I think that SSTV, Amtor, Packet, Satellites are irrelevant too! I had
to learn something about them to pass my exam didn't I? There are numerous
things that I'll never use and couldn't give a rats ass about that I had to
learn because it's part of the hobby. The only difference is between them &
CW is that CW is learned by ear, not by memorization. Sorry Bill, the
anti-code types are just a pack of seriously lazy people. CW is NOT the
reason ham radio has stagnated, it's because of technology (Internet).
Anyone with half an ounce of effort can pass the CW exam now.

Chuck WG2A
Also a 20 WPM extra

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:26:22 -0500, "VE3TMT" wrote:

My 10 year old was copying 5 wpm after 2 weeks of
study, so what's so damn hard about it?

____________________

You're missing the essential point of the no-code people. The folks who
object don't see it as hard, they see it as irrelevant. None of us want
to expend our energy on something we see as useless to ourselves.

You may disagree on CW's relevance, but hey, we're all grownups - lets
make our own decisions, ok?

--
Bill W6WRT
a 20-WPM Extra

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:41:49 GMT, Mike Coslo
wrote:

We could get a lot more Hams if we dropped the writtens too!

- Mike KB3EIA -

YEAH!!

How DARE they "force feed" that stuff to us!

Stand up for your right to be ignorant of operating procedures,
technical standards and the rules and regs as WELL as CW. LOL!

Hehe - I think he doesn't get your point at all, Mike! He he!

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:26:01 GMT, Mike Coslo
wrote:

Bill Turner wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:41:49 GMT, Mike Coslo
wrote:


We could get a lot more Hams if we dropped the writtens too!

- Mike KB3EIA -


__________________________________________________ _______

If you want a lot more hams, that would do it. Would that be a good
idea?

Heck no! My point in all this is that right now, those who want to make
amateur radio reeeaaal easy are winning the game!

- Mike KB3EIA -

You entirely missed his point about patience, Bill!

Perhaps you don't work 6m

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:03:19 -0800, Bill Turner
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:23:22 -0500, wrote:

I'll stay on 6. From what I've seen, that band
requires skill and patience, something that the code-hater types don't
have....

_________________________________________________ ________

You can't be serious (at least about the skill part). If you want a
real challenge of your skill, both technical and operating, try 160
meter DX. Any yahoo with a store-bought beam and a modern transceiver
can work DX on six.

And if you really want a challenge, try the digital modes on 160. Who
will be the first to get DXCC on 160 with PSK31? Now *that* would be an
accomplishment worthy of respect.

I think that SSTV, Amtor, Packet, Satellites are irrelevant too! I had
to learn something about them to pass my exam didn't I?

Only a few questions. There wasn't an entire section that required knowledge of
those, which determined if you upgraded or not.

The only difference is between them &
CW is that CW is learned by ear, not by memorization.

Some argue that CW is nothing BUT memorization. You memorize the dits and dahs,
don't you?

CW is NOT the
reason ham radio has stagnated, it's because of technology (Internet).

I'd argue that technology has expanded ham radio.

Anyone with half an ounce of effort can pass the CW exam now.

And a lot of free time.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)
Beachwood, NJ USA! Grid FM29vw
http://vhfradiobuff.tripod.com

Some argue that CW is nothing BUT memorization. You memorize the dits and
dahs,
don't you?

Of course you would know MORRRON

I'd argue that technology has expanded ham radio.


Yea right, Damn shame you MORRRRONS understand.

73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)

Andy whats your CB Callsign

Is it TRUE that most hams are Republicans?


On 19 Dec 2003 04:35:04 GMT, (WA8ULX) wrote:

Some argue that CW is nothing BUT memorization. You memorize the dits and
dahs,
don't you?

Of course you would know MORRRON

I'd argue that technology has expanded ham radio.


Yea right, Damn shame you MORRRRONS understand.

73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)

Andy whats your CB Callsign

90% or more

wrote in message
...
Is it TRUE that most hams are Republicans?


On 19 Dec 2003 04:35:04 GMT, (WA8ULX) wrote:

Some argue that CW is nothing BUT memorization. You memorize the dits
and
dahs,
don't you?

Of course you would know MORRRON

I'd argue that technology has expanded ham radio.


Yea right, Damn shame you MORRRRONS understand.

73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)

Andy whats your CB Callsign

Is it TRUE that most hams are Republicans?

Have no Idea.
What is true is, most CBplusser Knuckle Draggers are Democrats.

5WPM Bill, 5WPM, how much more easy does it have to be? The written is
simple & the CW test a joke. I know of 7 year olds that passed a 5WPM CW
test & are still licensed hams today, no Doctorates, just determined.

Chuck WG2A

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:21:25 GMT, "Chas" wrote:

Sorry Bill, the
anti-code types are just a pack of seriously lazy people.

____________________

I know several people with doctoral degrees who are utterly turned off
of ham radio by the code requirement. Do you honestly think someone who
persevered through eight years of college is "lazy"?

Your attempt to paint all anti-code people with the same brush just
doesn't work.

--
Bill W6WRT

Because of the nature of CW, it requires a section of it's own, come on
Andy, common sense tells you that. Be honest with yourself and the rest of
us. If you really used CW, you would know that your "memorization" comment
is stupid! Of course you "memorize" it, but it is an aquired skill.
Certainly technology has expanded the hobby, but it's a two edged sword,
it's tough to convince someone to spend roughly $1000 to buy the needed
equipment, pass an exam, put up antennas, endure the noise & qrm to speak to
people around the world when they can use the computer they already own &
the ISP they already payed money for and do the same thing much easier. I
can't tell you how many hams I know who have given up on Ham Radio because
they're tired of it and find the internet more interesting. These are
already licensed hams! Techs to extras! If hams are more fascinated with the
internet then ham radio, it's tough to convince new people to get licensed
for the same reason. One side note here, it wasn't that EVIL CW that scared
them away. Come on Andy, some honesty with yourself!
And as for your "free time" comment...three one hour sessions & I had 5WPM
down, so did the 7 year old. If your having that much trouble, maybe you
study technics aren't good.

Chuck WG2A

"VHFRadioBuff" wrote in message
...
I think that SSTV, Amtor, Packet, Satellites are irrelevant too! I had
to learn something about them to pass my exam didn't I?

Only a few questions. There wasn't an entire section that required
knowledge of
those, which determined if you upgraded or not.

The only difference is between them &
CW is that CW is learned by ear, not by memorization.

Some argue that CW is nothing BUT memorization. You memorize the dits and
dahs,
don't you?

CW is NOT the
reason ham radio has stagnated, it's because of technology (Internet).

I'd argue that technology has expanded ham radio.

Anyone with half an ounce of effort can pass the CW exam now.

And a lot of free time.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)
Beachwood, NJ USA! Grid FM29vw
http://vhfradiobuff.tripod.com

5WPM Bill, 5WPM, how much more easy does it have to be? The written is
simple & the CW test a joke. I know of 7 year olds that passed a 5WPM CW
test & are still licensed hams today, no Doctorates, just determined.

Chuck WG2A

7 year olds have a lot more time than those of us in the working world with
children of our own and spouses going back to school as well as volunteer
commitments.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)
Beachwood, NJ USA! Grid FM29vw
http://vhfradiobuff.tripod.com

7 year olds have a lot more time than those of us in the working world with
children of our own and spouses going back to school as well as volunteer
commitments.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPY

So I guess Andys point is just give it to them for nothing .

Because of the nature of CW, it requires a section of it's own, come on
Andy, common sense tells you that.

Andy doesnt care he just wants a FREE Handout.

And as for your "free time" comment...three one hour sessions & I had 5WPM
down, so did the 7 year old. If your having that much trouble, maybe you
study technics aren't good.

I broke this down once on an email reflector and it convinced someone that I
really DON'T have time to learn CW, as I have suggested. I don't have the time
to sit and break it down like I did before, but here's a summary.

I have an 18 month old son, a wife in school full time who also works, I
volunteer on a local ambulance and I work 40+ hrs a week. Very little time for
consistant studying in order to learn the code. I don't even have time to be a
member in the local radio club.

Besides - why should I bother? CW will be eliminated shortly anyway.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)
Beachwood, NJ USA! Grid FM29vw
http://vhfradiobuff.tripod.com

Reread my original post Bill! Amtor, SSTV, Packet, Sats are things I had to
be "forced" to learn that are IRRELEVANT to me and to my needs, but they are
part of the hobby, consequently, I had to learn them, so did you. What do we
need now? A pick and choose exam style where your only tested on what YOU
think is relevant or worthwhile? LOL! I don't think the FCC has that kind of
time. The fact is, the whole exam system is incedibly simple and only a
hinderance to those unwilling to put forth the effort to learn.

Chuck WG2A

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:35:51 GMT, "Chas" wrote:

5WPM Bill, 5WPM, how much more easy does it have to be?

____________________

You missed the point. It's not whether it's easy, it's whether it's
useful and relevant to their wants and needs.

Nearly everybody will put forth effort if they see the results as
worthwhile. A *lot* of people see CW as something they are just not
interested in. Why do you feel the need to force people to learn
something they don't care about?

--
Bill W6WRT
a 20-WPM extra

Andy, I know about time constraints. I, like you have work plus OT, home and
family to take care as well, but before I was licensed, I found the time
because I was motivated by the fascination of using radio. The studying was
simply crammed in when I could. So what's the solution? We're all very busy,
Free Licenses now? I'll bet that when CW is dropped, the NCI will change to
the NTI (No Test Int.). As I read from their web site & from members, it
really seems to be the direction they're going.

Chuck WG2A

"VHFRadioBuff" wrote in message
...
5WPM Bill, 5WPM, how much more easy does it have to be? The written is
simple & the CW test a joke. I know of 7 year olds that passed a 5WPM CW
test & are still licensed hams today, no Doctorates, just determined.

Chuck WG2A

7 year olds have a lot more time than those of us in the working world
with
children of our own and spouses going back to school as well as volunteer
commitments.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)
Beachwood, NJ USA! Grid FM29vw
http://vhfradiobuff.tripod.com

Get real - the testing requirement for ham radio will always be there. They're
just getting with the times, and with the rest of the world by eliminating an
outdated section of the test.

Perhaps the best way to ensure actual knowledge of ham radio is not to publish
the answers for all to study. That would force potential and upgrading hams to
actually learn instead of memorize.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)
Beachwood, NJ USA! Grid FM29vw
http://vhfradiobuff.tripod.com

I have an 18 month old son, a wife in school full time who also works, I
volunteer on a local ambulance and I work 40+ hrs a week. Very little time
for
consistant studying in order to learn the code. I don't even have time to be
a
member in the local radio club.

Besides - why should I bother? CW will be eliminated shortly anyway.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)

I will bet you have more than enough time to sit on your ass and play 2 Meter
CB.

Free Licenses now? I'll bet that when CW is dropped, the NCI will change to
the NTI (No Test Int.). As I read from their web site & from members, it
really seems to be the direction they're going.

Chuck WG2A


Thats what there GOAL is

Get real - the testing requirement for ham radio will always be there.
They're
just getting with the times

In other words the CBplusser Knuckle Draggers, wont more Dumbing Down at any
cost.

Perhaps the best way to ensure actual knowledge of ham radio is not to
publish
the answers for all to study.

That would have kept you out of Ham Radio all together Andy

Many of our modes are already outdated, that's not the point though, they
are still a part of our hobby and it should be required to have a knowledge
of them. Not publishing the answers may be an answer, but I doubt it will
fly anymore.

Chuck WG2A

"VHFRadioBuff" wrote in message
...
Get real - the testing requirement for ham radio will always be there.
They're
just getting with the times, and with the rest of the world by eliminating
an
outdated section of the test.

Perhaps the best way to ensure actual knowledge of ham radio is not to
publish
the answers for all to study. That would force potential and upgrading
hams to
actually learn instead of memorize.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)
Beachwood, NJ USA! Grid FM29vw
http://vhfradiobuff.tripod.com

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:57:40 -0800, Bill Turner
wrote:

When I was a teenager I worked JA from California on six with a
homebrewed 2E26 transmitter (remember them?) running five watts of AM to
a ground plane and a converted war surplus receiver.

I *know* about patience. :-)

--
Bill W6WRT

LOL - now THAT is cool - like the first time I hooked up a converted
CB SSB rig that I bought at a hamfest for $20 and my first QSO with it
on 10m SSB yielded a contact with a UL7 and RS 59 each way!

I have 2E26es here ready for winter projects...

*** (BUT NO 2E26's - LOL!) ***

73 -

nah
they dont vote

"WA8ULX" wrote in message
...
Is it TRUE that most hams are Republicans?

Have no Idea.
What is true is, most CBplusser Knuckle Draggers are Democrats.

1 wpm?

"Chas" wrote in message
k.net...
5WPM Bill, 5WPM, how much more easy does it have to be? The written is
simple & the CW test a joke. I know of 7 year olds that passed a 5WPM CW
test & are still licensed hams today, no Doctorates, just determined.

Chuck WG2A

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:21:25 GMT, "Chas" wrote:

Sorry Bill, the
anti-code types are just a pack of seriously lazy people.

____________________

I know several people with doctoral degrees who are utterly turned off
of ham radio by the code requirement. Do you honestly think someone who
persevered through eight years of college is "lazy"?

Your attempt to paint all anti-code people with the same brush just
doesn't work.

--
Bill W6WRT

50 WPM NOW!!!!!!
spark gap!!!!!!!!!!
build your own tubes!!!!!!
yeah

"WA8ULX" wrote in message
...
Free Licenses now? I'll bet that when CW is dropped, the NCI will change
to
the NTI (No Test Int.). As I read from their web site & from members, it
really seems to be the direction they're going.

Chuck WG2A


Thats what there GOAL is

and soon,75 meter swearing with drunks

"WA8ULX" wrote in message
...
I have an 18 month old son, a wife in school full time who also works, I
volunteer on a local ambulance and I work 40+ hrs a week. Very little
time
for
consistant studying in order to learn the code. I don't even have time to
be
a
member in the local radio club.

Besides - why should I bother? CW will be eliminated shortly anyway.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)

I will bet you have more than enough time to sit on your ass and play 2
Meter
CB.

and soon,75 meter swearing with drunks

You CBers will fit right in on 75

with you extras huh
i have 4 more states on 6 needed
ctrl opp on 10 repeaters
acs
antennas and coax donated to fire station
good ham 12 years
stuff it
"WA8ULX" wrote in message
...
and soon,75 meter swearing with drunks

You CBers will fit right in on 75

with you extras huh
i have 4 more states on 6 needed
ctrl opp on 10 repeaters
acs
antennas and coax donated to fire station


And dont have a CLUE