Bye Bye CW
 

Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did. Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

US of A Old Fartz will be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st
century.
They will refuse to talk to all the other countries because someone there
might be a no-code general.
"MOVE AHEAD" old men
I glad i have 50.125 [4 more states needed]and sats[MIR, Space Station etc].
Ahahahahaaaa


"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

Yes, and we all learned to walk before we ran? Riding a horse is still
an approved method of transport the last time I looked. What's to say that
running isn't a approved method of transport too except for those of that
are too lazy to do it. CW maybe antiquated but it still serves a purpose,
if only to motivate the lazy into doing something to gain an end and for
that reason it should be condemned? I think not.

Calculators: they should outlaw the ability to hand write long division or
multiplication? we could go on forever in this way couldn't we. I normally
don't respond to these kind of inflammatory statements but this one was one
I had to write back to as it was so out of bounds. I did it and am of the
opinion even the most lazy can learn 5 words per minute cw.
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

CODE SUCKS
Repeat 1,000,000 times

"K5IN" wrote in message
...
Yes, and we all learned to walk before we ran? Riding a horse is
still
an approved method of transport the last time I looked. What's to say
that
running isn't a approved method of transport too except for those of that
are too lazy to do it. CW maybe antiquated but it still serves a purpose,
if only to motivate the lazy into doing something to gain an end and for
that reason it should be condemned? I think not.

Calculators: they should outlaw the ability to hand write long division or
multiplication? we could go on forever in this way couldn't we. I
normally
don't respond to these kind of inflammatory statements but this one was
one
I had to write back to as it was so out of bounds. I did it and am of the
opinion even the most lazy can learn 5 words per minute cw.
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we
should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use
a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or
not,
CW is TOAST!

"K5IN" wrote in message
...
Yes, and we all learned to walk before we ran? Riding a horse is
still
an approved method of transport the last time I looked. What's to say
that
running isn't a approved method of transport too except for those of that
are too lazy to do it. CW maybe antiquated but it still serves a purpose,
if only to motivate the lazy into doing something to gain an end and for
that reason it should be condemned? I think not.

Calculators: they should outlaw the ability to hand write long division or
multiplication? we could go on forever in this way couldn't we. I
normally
don't respond to these kind of inflammatory statements but this one was
one
I had to write back to as it was so out of bounds. I did it and am of the
opinion even the most lazy can learn 5 words per minute cw.

I still use an old mechanical calculator.....its called a slide rule, and
yes I got my General Class License before the no-code novice was in
existance.

"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we
should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use
a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or
not,
CW is TOAST!

CW MAY NOT BE FORE EVERYONE... ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO DON'T TAKE THE TIME TO
LEARN IT, BUT THERE ARE THOSE OF US WHO CONSIDER IT AS A GREAT PART OF HAM
RADIO.
KD5FXT

"Noon-Air" wrote in message
...

"K5IN" wrote in message
...
Yes, and we all learned to walk before we ran? Riding a horse is
still
an approved method of transport the last time I looked. What's to say
that
running isn't a approved method of transport too except for those of
that
are too lazy to do it. CW maybe antiquated but it still serves a
purpose,
if only to motivate the lazy into doing something to gain an end and for
that reason it should be condemned? I think not.

Calculators: they should outlaw the ability to hand write long division
or
multiplication? we could go on forever in this way couldn't we. I
normally
don't respond to these kind of inflammatory statements but this one was
one
I had to write back to as it was so out of bounds. I did it and am of
the
opinion even the most lazy can learn 5 words per minute cw.

I still use an old mechanical calculator.....its called a slide rule, and
yes I got my General Class License before the no-code novice was in
existance.

"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we
should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to
use
a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to
learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as
CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it.
Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or
not,
CW is TOAST!


I will go so far to accept the argument against 13/20 WPM code, some are too
lazy to get to that point and yes, SOME did have a hell of a time. But 5
WPM? COME ON. That is child's play. I've seen children learn it with little
problem. I WILL disagree with the "musical ear" theory - that they can pick
it up sooner. I know many musicians who couldn't do it any sooner. BUT with
about a half hour a day OR even just 15 minutes and depending on your time
spent per day, about 2 weeks tops, you can be at 5 WPM. For Christ's sakes,
you studied that long to get your drivers license. Wasn't it worth it? CODE
CAN BE USEFUL. I can think of many scenarios here to insert to show proof,
but it would take too much space. But I'll give one quick example. Surely a
lot of you heard of the Que Creek miners who were trapped for 3 days in PA.
Had one of those guys known CW, they could have relayed even at 5 WPM, much
valuable information. They did relay 9 taps to indicate 9 miners - however,
that is all they could get out of it. It didn't mean they were all alive or
in what condition. It wouldn't hurt to learn it. Most of us use to as a
child, just screwing around. TRY IT! Even if you don't want to go to a
stuffy class room, so be it. There are good tapes and even if you don't want
to invest in those, you can still learn it if you follow the tips offered in
most books. NOT USING DOTS/DASHES. You can still learn the characters
yourself in 2 weeks maybe sooner. Hell, in a couple days, you can start
forming words. Do about 3-5 characters a lesson. Don't choke yourself.
Relax, have fun with it. You'll be amazed how fast you catch on. G.W.

Is sailboating dead because we have power boats? Are ocean liners dead because
we have airplanes? Is the bicycle dead because we have automobiles? Do people
stop watching black and white reruns on TV because we have color programs? Do
people stop riding horses because we have cars? Do people stop building hand
crafted furniture because we have power tools? Do people stop going to
libraries because we have the Internet?

Is CW dead?
Should CW be a requirement?
Should we eliminate ham radio because we have cell phones and the Internet?
Should we make it as easy to get a pilot's license as it is to get a ham
license?
Should we make it as easy to get a driver's license as it is to get a ham
license?
Should we make it as easy to get a license to practice medicine as it is to
get a ham license?
Should we make it even easier to get a ham license and still expect orderly
behavior on the air?
Should the FCC's enforcement budget be reduced further and still expect orderly
behavior on the air?
Should ham radio be made narrow rather than allow a broad range of interests?

Just food for thought, not incentive for debate here or elsewhere...

I WANT A HAM LICENSE, AN I WANT IT EASY!!!
Oh, and can I skip that theory stuff too?
The answers are all in books somewhere, what good does it do to memorize it?
Get with the times....information is on magnetic media, not in brain
matter!!
Now, where did I put that answer sheet to next weeks finals that I paid so
much for??

CW Lives!!
....Dave

"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

To dumb to learn CW??? Sad , how sad
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

K5IN wrote:

CW maybe antiquated but it still serves a purpose

What purpose? Who of importance do you dit-dah with? No one!

NO ONE USES CW... No one, not the military, not the maritime or Coast Guard,
not the weather service or the state of Minnesota. The only Hams that use CW
are the same old tired idividuals that complain about the "new Hams." And truth
be known, I bet one-half of those Hams are using a keyboard/computer to send and
receive.

If it were not for the new Hams, there would be no participants. Dah, it to the
21st century... When will YOU old-timers move without kicking and screaming
"they are taking away my hobby?" NO ONE is taking anything from you. We just
wish to use a "different" language. Its no wonder I do not venture on HF.
Every other frequency has a net of some sort or some two Hams are conversing on
"their freq" yapping about nothing.

Bring on the flames... I am off the soapbox.

--
Mike Dickman
KD4LLA
reply: m3425man at bevcomm.net

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"ergo" wrote in message news:hPVCb.387233$275.1243513@attbi_s53...
CODE SUCKS
Repeat 1,000,000 times

"K5IN" wrote in message
...
Yes, and we all learned to walk before we ran? Riding a horse is
still
an approved method of transport the last time I looked. What's to say
that
running isn't a approved method of transport too except for those of that
are too lazy to do it. CW maybe antiquated but it still serves a purpose,
if only to motivate the lazy into doing something to gain an end and for
that reason it should be condemned? I think not.

Calculators: they should outlaw the ability to hand write long division or
multiplication? we could go on forever in this way couldn't we. I
normally
don't respond to these kind of inflammatory statements but this one was
one
I had to write back to as it was so out of bounds. I did it and am of the
opinion even the most lazy can learn 5 words per minute cw.
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we
should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use
a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or
not,
CW is TOAST!





move over ox....the cb plussers are going to take over 10 meters real
soon, by default....

Spoken like a true no-code tech.

"ergo" wrote in message
news:hPVCb.387233$275.1243513@attbi_s53...
CODE SUCKS
Repeat 1,000,000 times

"K5IN" wrote in message
...
Yes, and we all learned to walk before we ran? Riding a horse is
still
an approved method of transport the last time I looked. What's to say
that
running isn't a approved method of transport too except for those of
that
are too lazy to do it. CW maybe antiquated but it still serves a
purpose,
if only to motivate the lazy into doing something to gain an end and for
that reason it should be condemned? I think not.

Calculators: they should outlaw the ability to hand write long division
or
multiplication? we could go on forever in this way couldn't we. I
normally
don't respond to these kind of inflammatory statements but this one was
one
I had to write back to as it was so out of bounds. I did it and am of
the
opinion even the most lazy can learn 5 words per minute cw.
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we
should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to
use
a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to
learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as
CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it.
Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or
not,
CW is TOAST!

..-.. --- -. --. .-.. .. ...- . -.-. .-- .-.-.-

--... ...--

;-)

You hit the nail on the head Bill
Dave W9MPD ( another 20WPM extra )
"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:00:31 -0500, VE3PMK wrote:

.-.. --- -. --. .-.. .. ...- . -.-. .-- .-.-.-

--... ...--

;-)


__________________________________________________ _______

CW will live a long time. It's the force-feeding of it that will soon
stop, and about d*** time, too.

--
Bill, W6WRT

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:45:07 -0800, "K5IN" wrote:

Riding a horse is still
an approved method of transport the last time I looked.

__________________________________________________ _______

Totally missing the point. Nobody *forces* you to learn horsemanship
before you can move around. Nothing wrong with CW except that a certain
clique insists on jamming it down our throats.

The FCC says that you gotta prove competence to be able to play with "big
boys" toys, and 47 CFR says ITS THE LAW.

And what is this thread doing on this group anyway?

--
Bill, W6WRT
(a 20-wpm extra, BTW)

Bill Turner wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:45:07 -0800, "K5IN" wrote:


Riding a horse is still
an approved method of transport the last time I looked.


__________________________________________________ _______

Totally missing the point. Nobody *forces* you to learn horsemanship
before you can move around. Nothing wrong with CW except that a certain
clique insists on jamming it down our throats.

Now to get working on the elimination of the writtens! The
Techno-weenie Hams are jamming that one down peoples throats.

There is no *need* for the modern Ham to know anything!

And what is this thread doing on this group anyway?

The winners of the CW/no CW war are just feeling their oats!



- Mike KB3EIA - A Morse code test, technical test supporting 5wpm Extra

Bill Turner wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:00:31 -0500, VE3PMK wrote:


.-.. --- -. --. .-.. .. ...- . -.-. .-- .-.-.-

--... ...--

;-)



__________________________________________________ _______

CW will live a long time. It's the force-feeding of it that will soon
stop, and about d*** time, too.

We could get a lot more Hams if we dropped the writtens too!

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:20:21 -0600, "Noon-Air"
wrote:

The FCC says that you gotta prove competence to be able to play with "big
boys" toys, and 47 CFR says ITS THE LAW.

__________________________________________________ _______

1. FCC rules can be changed.

2. CFR 47 can be changed.

That's what a lot of us want.

What's your point?

I thought the point was obvious...... but let me spell it out for you....yes
it can be changed, but until its changed, ITS STILL THE LAW.
No amount of complaining and whining about it here is going to change it.

Bill, W6WRT

I'm thinking that the reason we have these folks who want it easy is
because the band activity was slowly dying off, so to get more people
into the hobby -so it would not DIE altogether we have all these
non code types... we have no one to blame but us... the CW hams!!
n2jhs
5wpm, tech plus or what ever i'm called now...
-
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:51:51 -0600, "ac5tx" wrote:

To dumb to learn CW??? Sad , how sad
"Hamguy" wrote in message
. ..
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

Bill Turner wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:39:24 GMT, Mike Coslo
wrote:


There is no *need* for the modern Ham to know anything!


__________________________________________________ _______

More fuzzy thinking.

In my opinion, the *primary* purpose of a ham license is to assure that
the licensee has sufficient technical knowledge to keep accidental
interference to the minimum possible. This includes interference to
other hams, commercial and government services, consumers and others.

Most hams are now appliance operators. And cb'ers prove that you don't
have to be licensed to run plenty of power on HF. Finally, F.C.C.
enforcement actions indicate that tested hams are perfectly capable of
causing interference.

Don't be confusing the past with the present.


Knowledge of CW is not part of the equation.

Knowledge is not part of the equation if it is decided so. And that is
the important thing. There are a couple groups that think that tossing
out CW is a good thing. One is those that don't like CW because they
think it represents an anachronism, and is keeping people out because it
is too hard for people to learn Morse CW. Th other group is people who
want it gone because they want as little as possible between themselves
and a license. And as little as possible includes nothing. You might not
like your allies very much, Bill, but there they are.

I suggest that you read what the NCVEV and W5YI are proposing:

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/08/07/3/?nc=1

but.... more interesting is:

http://www.qsl.net/al7fs/NCVECplan.doc

a doc they put out.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Bill Turner wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:41:49 GMT, Mike Coslo
wrote:


We could get a lot more Hams if we dropped the writtens too!

- Mike KB3EIA -


__________________________________________________ _______

If you want a lot more hams, that would do it. Would that be a good
idea?

Heck no! My point in all this is that right now, those who want to make
amateur radio reeeaaal easy are winning the game!

- Mike KB3EIA -

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:52:18 GMT, Mike wrote:

CW maybe antiquated but it still serves a purpose

What purpose? Who of importance do you dit-dah with? No one!

NO ONE USES CW...

ROTFLMAO!

And the moon is made of green cheese.

This "Mike" guy probably believes that too, LOL!!

Don't forget to mention having to shoe a horse to qualify you for a driver's
license....

Unfortunately, the decision to drop CW is too little, too late to revive the
Amateur Radio Service. The "League" has already laid it to rest with too
many decades of looking progressively backwards and relying too much on anal
rebreathing apparatus to provide their insight......


"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

"CW Sucks" ?
That isn't pompous enough to satisfy the average CW Supporter...

You have to meet their level of self importance with an analogy that is
fitting to their elitist roots. Try this:

CW has a massive propensity for insidious morphalation.... (CW Sucks)


"ergo" wrote in message
news:hPVCb.387233$275.1243513@attbi_s53...
CODE SUCKS
Repeat 1,000,000 times

"K5IN" wrote in message
...
Yes, and we all learned to walk before we ran? Riding a horse is
still
an approved method of transport the last time I looked. What's to say
that
running isn't a approved method of transport too except for those of
that
are too lazy to do it. CW maybe antiquated but it still serves a
purpose,
if only to motivate the lazy into doing something to gain an end and for
that reason it should be condemned? I think not.

Calculators: they should outlaw the ability to hand write long division
or
multiplication? we could go on forever in this way couldn't we. I
normally
don't respond to these kind of inflammatory statements but this one was
one
I had to write back to as it was so out of bounds. I did it and am of
the
opinion even the most lazy can learn 5 words per minute cw.
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we
should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to
use
a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to
learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as
CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it.
Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or
not,
CW is TOAST!

See, I told you you needed to be more elitist before they would grasp the
semantics of simplicity.

CW has a massive propensity for insidious morphalation....

That is fitting for any elitist attitude to get a grip on. Says the same
thing, but passes the pompous ass test.


"ff-paramedic" wrote in message
...
Spoken like a true no-code tech.

"ergo" wrote in message
news:hPVCb.387233$275.1243513@attbi_s53...
CODE SUCKS
Repeat 1,000,000 times

"K5IN" wrote in message
...
Yes, and we all learned to walk before we ran? Riding a horse is
still
an approved method of transport the last time I looked. What's to say
that
running isn't a approved method of transport too except for those of
that
are too lazy to do it. CW maybe antiquated but it still serves a
purpose,
if only to motivate the lazy into doing something to gain an end and
for
that reason it should be condemned? I think not.

Calculators: they should outlaw the ability to hand write long
division
or
multiplication? we could go on forever in this way couldn't we. I
normally
don't respond to these kind of inflammatory statements but this one
was
one
I had to write back to as it was so out of bounds. I did it and am of
the
opinion even the most lazy can learn 5 words per minute cw.
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we
should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to
use
a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic'
or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to
learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as
CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it.
Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it
or
not,
CW is TOAST!

Here we have a loser who just trying to yank someone's chain, it worked,
look at a the replies. What the future of amateur radio ? If you go out and
make contact with some the current batch of cbers, and you will see it. No
requirements of any kind, if there is the test, you will have seen the
answers before hand.

Jim, kf4tun


"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!




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Time to add a few comments to this tread...

My personal feeling is one way to turn Ham Radio around is to make it
into a Sport (like it has become anyway). Yes Contesting is a Sport so
why not push this aspect more than anything. Yes CW Contesting takes
skill that needs to be learned just like any other Sport and takes
practice and more practice. Good Phone Contesting also take skill and
practice. So I believe we need to take this to the schools, get it set
up as an extra curriculum, get scholarships set up for college, etc......

This could be the future of Ham radio or at least for the HF bands.

In article , Ronald Oberloh wrote:
Time to add a few comments to this tread...

My personal feeling is one way to turn Ham Radio around is to make it
into a Sport (like it has become anyway). Yes Contesting is a Sport so
why not push this aspect more than anything. Yes CW Contesting takes
skill that needs to be learned just like any other Sport and takes
practice and more practice. Good Phone Contesting also take skill and
practice. So I believe we need to take this to the schools, get it set
up as an extra curriculum, get scholarships set up for college, etc......

This could be the future of Ham radio or at least for the HF bands.

can we start by hunting down and shooting all QRO ops? that's the kind
of sport most QRP ops would like!

:-)

I am not a big CW buff but I feel the CW requirement is a toll gate for
proving competence. If the CW requirement is lifted I sure hope the
technical requirements are beefed up.
N6KYD
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

I agree completely with the 'toll gate' reference.

Simply 'wanting' to be a ham (and having a VISA card) should not be enough.
Have a listen around the 26MHz to 28MHz for both the legal and out of band
CB operators. Do you want the ham spectrum to sound like that?? I certainly
don't. I don't think many of us wish to hear echoplexed microphones on HF
nor our repeaters. (and yes, I host a repeater.) Do all CB users operate
like that? Certainly not! Back then, I certainly did not, and yes, all
through high school myself and my now 'ham' buddies all had CBs.

We don't want simply 'more' hams. We certainly don't need an influx of lids
QRMing the bands to a state of being unusable, heavens knows we have enough
already. I wanted to be a ham for years, and after putting in some effort,
studying a few times a week, and yes, practicing code on W1AW every night it
was receivable, I got my ticket. It makes you appreciate something when you
have to work for it, even if it's just a little effort. Now before I get
flamed to pieces here speaking up in defense of CW, remember, I'm not saying
anyone MUST use code, but having a few technical hurdles to cross makes for
a better ham population on the other end.

Someone wants to get on HF without a code requirement? I'm sure most hams
would not mind that if there was a suitably challenging technical
requirement to replace it.

There's my two cents, and thanks to all you hams who operate keeping others
in mind. It's a pleasure to share the spectrum with all of you.

Pat, VE3PMK

"VE3PMK" wrote in message
...
I agree completely with the 'toll gate' reference.

Simply 'wanting' to be a ham (and having a VISA card) should not be
enough.
Have a listen around the 26MHz to 28MHz for both the legal and out of band
CB operators. Do you want the ham spectrum to sound like that?? I
certainly
don't. I don't think many of us wish to hear echoplexed microphones on HF
nor our repeaters. (and yes, I host a repeater.) Do all CB users operate
like that? Certainly not! Back then, I certainly did not, and yes, all
through high school myself and my now 'ham' buddies all had CBs.

We don't want simply 'more' hams. We certainly don't need an influx of
lids
QRMing the bands to a state of being unusable, heavens knows we have
enough
already. I wanted to be a ham for years, and after putting in some effort,
studying a few times a week, and yes, practicing code on W1AW every night
it
was receivable, I got my ticket. It makes you appreciate something when
you
have to work for it, even if it's just a little effort. Now before I get
flamed to pieces here speaking up in defense of CW, remember, I'm not
saying
anyone MUST use code, but having a few technical hurdles to cross makes
for
a better ham population on the other end.

Someone wants to get on HF without a code requirement? I'm sure most hams
would not mind that if there was a suitably challenging technical
requirement to replace it.

There's my two cents, and thanks to all you hams who operate keeping
others
in mind. It's a pleasure to share the spectrum with all of you.

Pat, VE3PMK

I concur....thanx for saying it better than I ever could.

n6ojn
--
Steve @ Noon-Air Heating and A/C


When a work lifts your spirits and inspires bold and noble thoughts in you,
do not look for any other standard to judge by:
the work is good, the product of a master craftsman.
- -- La Bruyere

Eventually, in the not to distant future, the CW subbands will be the only
real amateur radio for us pre- no code operators.... the rest will just be
multi-band CB.... full of foul language and name-calling (much like
newsgroups and 75 meters). If they ever do away with the CW subbands, that
will be the end of HF for me, I'll stay on 6. From what I've seen, that band
requires skill and patience, something that the code-hater types don't
have....

W4UDX

"Noon-Air" wrote in message
...

"VE3PMK" wrote in message
...
I agree completely with the 'toll gate' reference.

Simply 'wanting' to be a ham (and having a VISA card) should not be
enough.
Have a listen around the 26MHz to 28MHz for both the legal and out of
band
CB operators. Do you want the ham spectrum to sound like that?? I
certainly
don't. I don't think many of us wish to hear echoplexed microphones on
HF
nor our repeaters. (and yes, I host a repeater.) Do all CB users operate
like that? Certainly not! Back then, I certainly did not, and yes, all
through high school myself and my now 'ham' buddies all had CBs.

We don't want simply 'more' hams. We certainly don't need an influx of
lids
QRMing the bands to a state of being unusable, heavens knows we have
enough
already. I wanted to be a ham for years, and after putting in some
effort,
studying a few times a week, and yes, practicing code on W1AW every
night
it
was receivable, I got my ticket. It makes you appreciate something when
you
have to work for it, even if it's just a little effort. Now before I get
flamed to pieces here speaking up in defense of CW, remember, I'm not
saying
anyone MUST use code, but having a few technical hurdles to cross makes
for
a better ham population on the other end.

Someone wants to get on HF without a code requirement? I'm sure most
hams
would not mind that if there was a suitably challenging technical
requirement to replace it.

There's my two cents, and thanks to all you hams who operate keeping
others
in mind. It's a pleasure to share the spectrum with all of you.

Pat, VE3PMK

I concur....thanx for saying it better than I ever could.

n6ojn
--
Steve @ Noon-Air Heating and A/C


When a work lifts your spirits and inspires bold and noble thoughts in
you,
do not look for any other standard to judge by:
the work is good, the product of a master craftsman.
- -- La Bruyere

You don't find too many code-haters on 15m either.

wrote in message
...
Eventually, in the not to distant future, the CW subbands will be the only
real amateur radio for us pre- no code operators.... the rest will just be
multi-band CB.... full of foul language and name-calling (much like
newsgroups and 75 meters). If they ever do away with the CW subbands, that
will be the end of HF for me, I'll stay on 6. From what I've seen, that
band
requires skill and patience, something that the code-hater types don't
have....

W4UDX

"Noon-Air" wrote in message
...

"VE3PMK" wrote in message
...
I agree completely with the 'toll gate' reference.

Simply 'wanting' to be a ham (and having a VISA card) should not be
enough.
Have a listen around the 26MHz to 28MHz for both the legal and out of
band
CB operators. Do you want the ham spectrum to sound like that?? I
certainly
don't. I don't think many of us wish to hear echoplexed microphones on
HF
nor our repeaters. (and yes, I host a repeater.) Do all CB users
operate
like that? Certainly not! Back then, I certainly did not, and yes, all
through high school myself and my now 'ham' buddies all had CBs.

We don't want simply 'more' hams. We certainly don't need an influx of
lids
QRMing the bands to a state of being unusable, heavens knows we have
enough
already. I wanted to be a ham for years, and after putting in some
effort,
studying a few times a week, and yes, practicing code on W1AW every
night
it
was receivable, I got my ticket. It makes you appreciate something
when
you
have to work for it, even if it's just a little effort. Now before I
get
flamed to pieces here speaking up in defense of CW, remember, I'm not
saying
anyone MUST use code, but having a few technical hurdles to cross
makes
for
a better ham population on the other end.

Someone wants to get on HF without a code requirement? I'm sure most
hams
would not mind that if there was a suitably challenging technical
requirement to replace it.

There's my two cents, and thanks to all you hams who operate keeping
others
in mind. It's a pleasure to share the spectrum with all of you.

Pat, VE3PMK

I concur....thanx for saying it better than I ever could.

n6ojn
--
Steve @ Noon-Air Heating and A/C


When a work lifts your spirits and inspires bold and noble thoughts in
you,
do not look for any other standard to judge by:
the work is good, the product of a master craftsman.
- -- La Bruyere

Mark,you are so wrong.
Im on 6 for "almost two decades"and dont have nor want code even tho i know
it from sonar and signalmans schools.
It is JUST a mode.It is JUST a hobby.
CBers dont migrate to ham.
If hams want to perform emergency work,why not let more of us nice no-coders
into HF?
We already have proven ourselves.
"MOVE AHEAD"

wrote in message
...
Eventually, in the not to distant future, the CW subbands will be the only
real amateur radio for us pre- no code operators.... the rest will just be
multi-band CB.... full of foul language and name-calling (much like
newsgroups and 75 meters). If they ever do away with the CW subbands, that
will be the end of HF for me, I'll stay on 6. From what I've seen, that
band
requires skill and patience, something that the code-hater types don't
have....

W4UDX

"Noon-Air" wrote in message
...

"VE3PMK" wrote in message
...
I agree completely with the 'toll gate' reference.

Simply 'wanting' to be a ham (and having a VISA card) should not be
enough.
Have a listen around the 26MHz to 28MHz for both the legal and out of
band
CB operators. Do you want the ham spectrum to sound like that?? I
certainly
don't. I don't think many of us wish to hear echoplexed microphones on
HF
nor our repeaters. (and yes, I host a repeater.) Do all CB users
operate
like that? Certainly not! Back then, I certainly did not, and yes, all
through high school myself and my now 'ham' buddies all had CBs.

We don't want simply 'more' hams. We certainly don't need an influx of
lids
QRMing the bands to a state of being unusable, heavens knows we have
enough
already. I wanted to be a ham for years, and after putting in some
effort,
studying a few times a week, and yes, practicing code on W1AW every
night
it
was receivable, I got my ticket. It makes you appreciate something
when
you
have to work for it, even if it's just a little effort. Now before I
get
flamed to pieces here speaking up in defense of CW, remember, I'm not
saying
anyone MUST use code, but having a few technical hurdles to cross
makes
for
a better ham population on the other end.

Someone wants to get on HF without a code requirement? I'm sure most
hams
would not mind that if there was a suitably challenging technical
requirement to replace it.

There's my two cents, and thanks to all you hams who operate keeping
others
in mind. It's a pleasure to share the spectrum with all of you.

Pat, VE3PMK

I concur....thanx for saying it better than I ever could.

n6ojn
--
Steve @ Noon-Air Heating and A/C


When a work lifts your spirits and inspires bold and noble thoughts in
you,
do not look for any other standard to judge by:
the work is good, the product of a master craftsman.
- -- La Bruyere

10-4 Good Buddy. And if YOU don't like it, it's no good. I don't know
why you're getting so angry. If you don't want to do the code, don't.
Since the CW sub bands are one of the few places in radicand that aren't
infested with a bunch of dumb ass wind bags, that's where you'll find me.

When my anger gets too great, I'll just give all my gear away, and laugh
as all the windbags trample each other to try and be the one to get
something for free. Kind of like all the guys that want to up-grade but
cry like little babies when they are forced to do something they don't
want to do, CW. CRY, BABIES, CRY!

Well I'm a gonna back on outa here hand. I saw you. Gonna go drop the
maul. Warm those feet. Put the boots on. Put the fire in the wire. Wall
to wall and tree top tall. You're in the strawberry patch. How many
pounds am I hittin ya. Roger Dee, come on. Clip the mod limiter. Super
modulator kit. Echo mic. Talk back. Funnies. Free Band.

You know I once talked to CB enthusiast on skip that claimed he had
stacked Moonraker 6's on a 35'boom at 100'. All that, just to Squash the
Truckers on the Pike. What a waste.

But hey, WTF. If that's what floated his boat who am I to say he was a
Dumb Ass. Different strokes, you know?

Don't worry, you'll be able to get on HF pretty soon with no code. In
fact after that you won't even have to take a test of any kind. Just pay
your money and key down.

Ok, who wants a 940 that works good in the summertime?

(Sound Of Roger Beep Beeping)

Di di di dah di dah. (...-.-)

That's a secret code that may require some study on your part to
understand. It's a part of history. You know, History, that thing that
too many Americans have no use for anymore.

Sincerely yours and best Holiday Wishes to all.

I'm going to go do some toast. .... . . .... ..

Tom
AB7TU
See my web page, run me on QRZ
...

Mr. Happy Said:
EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

Di di di dah di dah. (...-.-)

Let's hope not for a long time yet...

Tom sounds mad.

"Tom B." wrote in message ...
10-4 Good Buddy. And if YOU don't like it, it's no good. I don't know
why you're getting so angry. If you don't want to do the code, don't.
Since the CW sub bands are one of the few places in radicand that aren't
infested with a bunch of dumb ass wind bags, that's where you'll find me.

When my anger gets too great, I'll just give all my gear away, and laugh
as all the windbags trample each other to try and be the one to get
something for free. Kind of like all the guys that want to up-grade but
cry like little babies when they are forced to do something they don't
want to do, CW. CRY, BABIES, CRY!

Well I'm a gonna back on outa here hand. I saw you. Gonna go drop the
maul. Warm those feet. Put the boots on. Put the fire in the wire. Wall
to wall and tree top tall. You're in the strawberry patch. How many
pounds am I hittin ya. Roger Dee, come on. Clip the mod limiter. Super
modulator kit. Echo mic. Talk back. Funnies. Free Band.

You know I once talked to CB enthusiast on skip that claimed he had
stacked Moonraker 6's on a 35'boom at 100'. All that, just to Squash the
Truckers on the Pike. What a waste.

But hey, WTF. If that's what floated his boat who am I to say he was a
Dumb Ass. Different strokes, you know?

Don't worry, you'll be able to get on HF pretty soon with no code. In
fact after that you won't even have to take a test of any kind. Just pay
your money and key down.

Ok, who wants a 940 that works good in the summertime?

(Sound Of Roger Beep Beeping)

Di di di dah di dah. (...-.-)

That's a secret code that may require some study on your part to
understand. It's a part of history. You know, History, that thing that
too many Americans have no use for anymore.

Sincerely yours and best Holiday Wishes to all.

I'm going to go do some toast. .... . . .... ..

Tom
AB7TU
See my web page, run me on QRZ
..

Mr. Happy Said:
EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or
not,
CW is TOAST!

"Tom B." wrote in message ...
10-4 Good Buddy. And if YOU don't like it, it's no good. I don't know
why you're getting so angry. If you don't want to do the code, don't.
Since the CW sub bands are one of the few places in radicand that aren't
infested with a bunch of dumb ass wind bags, that's where you'll find me.

When my anger gets too great, I'll just give all my gear away, and laugh
as all the windbags trample each other to try and be the one to get
something for free. Kind of like all the guys that want to up-grade but
cry like little babies when they are forced to do something they don't
want to do, CW. CRY, BABIES, CRY!

Well I'm a gonna back on outa here hand. I saw you. Gonna go drop the
maul. Warm those feet. Put the boots on. Put the fire in the wire. Wall
to wall and tree top tall. You're in the strawberry patch. How many
pounds am I hittin ya. Roger Dee, come on. Clip the mod limiter. Super
modulator kit. Echo mic. Talk back. Funnies. Free Band.

You know I once talked to CB enthusiast on skip that claimed he had
stacked Moonraker 6's on a 35'boom at 100'. All that, just to Squash the
Truckers on the Pike. What a waste.

But hey, WTF. If that's what floated his boat who am I to say he was a
Dumb Ass. Different strokes, you know?

Don't worry, you'll be able to get on HF pretty soon with no code. In
fact after that you won't even have to take a test of any kind. Just pay
your money and key down.

Ok, who wants a 940 that works good in the summertime?

(Sound Of Roger Beep Beeping)

Di di di dah di dah. (...-.-)

That's a secret code that may require some study on your part to
understand. It's a part of history.

So is crank-starting your car. So is running for the outhouse in a
blizzard. Want to keep them around, too?

The point is that nobody of any consequence (i.e.: the military, the
Coast Guard, or even coastal radio) uses CW anymore, only some
stuck-in-the-past hams. Have you proven your proficiency on packet,
RTTY, or PSK31? Why not? But everyone else is supposed to prove
proficiency on morse code? Why? Because you did?

You know, History, that thing that
too many Americans have no use for anymore.

You can blame that on TV programming, not CB radio.

Sincerely yours and best Holiday Wishes to all.

I'm going to go do some toast. .... . . .... ..

If you like and use CW, more power to ya, but there's simply no reason
to impose that requirement on others.

Tom
AB7TU
See my web page, run me on QRZ
..

Mr. Happy Said:
EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

Why bother using a voice mode? People's voices have been around alot
longer than CW.

Jack

Bill Turner wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:45:07 -0800, "K5IN" wrote:


Riding a horse is still
an approved method of transport the last time I looked.


__________________________________________________ _______

Totally missing the point. Nobody *forces* you to learn horsemanship
before you can move around. Nothing wrong with CW except that a certain
clique insists on jamming it down our throats.

And what is this thread doing on this group anyway?

--
Bill, W6WRT
(a 20-wpm extra, BTW)