CW MAY NOT BE FORE EVERYONE... ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO DON'T TAKE THE TIME TO
LEARN IT, BUT THERE ARE THOSE OF US WHO CONSIDER IT AS A GREAT PART OF HAM
RADIO.
KD5FXT

"Noon-Air" wrote in message
...

"K5IN" wrote in message
...
Yes, and we all learned to walk before we ran? Riding a horse is
still
an approved method of transport the last time I looked. What's to say
that
running isn't a approved method of transport too except for those of
that
are too lazy to do it. CW maybe antiquated but it still serves a
purpose,
if only to motivate the lazy into doing something to gain an end and for
that reason it should be condemned? I think not.

Calculators: they should outlaw the ability to hand write long division
or
multiplication? we could go on forever in this way couldn't we. I
normally
don't respond to these kind of inflammatory statements but this one was
one
I had to write back to as it was so out of bounds. I did it and am of
the
opinion even the most lazy can learn 5 words per minute cw.

I still use an old mechanical calculator.....its called a slide rule, and
yes I got my General Class License before the no-code novice was in
existance.

"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we
should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to
use
a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to
learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as
CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it.
Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or
not,
CW is TOAST!


I will go so far to accept the argument against 13/20 WPM code, some are too
lazy to get to that point and yes, SOME did have a hell of a time. But 5
WPM? COME ON. That is child's play. I've seen children learn it with little
problem. I WILL disagree with the "musical ear" theory - that they can pick
it up sooner. I know many musicians who couldn't do it any sooner. BUT with
about a half hour a day OR even just 15 minutes and depending on your time
spent per day, about 2 weeks tops, you can be at 5 WPM. For Christ's sakes,
you studied that long to get your drivers license. Wasn't it worth it? CODE
CAN BE USEFUL. I can think of many scenarios here to insert to show proof,
but it would take too much space. But I'll give one quick example. Surely a
lot of you heard of the Que Creek miners who were trapped for 3 days in PA.
Had one of those guys known CW, they could have relayed even at 5 WPM, much
valuable information. They did relay 9 taps to indicate 9 miners - however,
that is all they could get out of it. It didn't mean they were all alive or
in what condition. It wouldn't hurt to learn it. Most of us use to as a
child, just screwing around. TRY IT! Even if you don't want to go to a
stuffy class room, so be it. There are good tapes and even if you don't want
to invest in those, you can still learn it if you follow the tips offered in
most books. NOT USING DOTS/DASHES. You can still learn the characters
yourself in 2 weeks maybe sooner. Hell, in a couple days, you can start
forming words. Do about 3-5 characters a lesson. Don't choke yourself.
Relax, have fun with it. You'll be amazed how fast you catch on. G.W.

K5IN wrote:

CW maybe antiquated but it still serves a purpose

What purpose? Who of importance do you dit-dah with? No one!

NO ONE USES CW... No one, not the military, not the maritime or Coast Guard,
not the weather service or the state of Minnesota. The only Hams that use CW
are the same old tired idividuals that complain about the "new Hams." And truth
be known, I bet one-half of those Hams are using a keyboard/computer to send and
receive.

If it were not for the new Hams, there would be no participants. Dah, it to the
21st century... When will YOU old-timers move without kicking and screaming
"they are taking away my hobby?" NO ONE is taking anything from you. We just
wish to use a "different" language. Its no wonder I do not venture on HF.
Every other frequency has a net of some sort or some two Hams are conversing on
"their freq" yapping about nothing.

Bring on the flames... I am off the soapbox.

--
Mike Dickman
KD4LLA
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:52:18 GMT, Mike wrote:

CW maybe antiquated but it still serves a purpose

What purpose? Who of importance do you dit-dah with? No one!

NO ONE USES CW...

ROTFLMAO!

And the moon is made of green cheese.

This "Mike" guy probably believes that too, LOL!!

Is sailboating dead because we have power boats? Are ocean liners dead because
we have airplanes? Is the bicycle dead because we have automobiles? Do people
stop watching black and white reruns on TV because we have color programs? Do
people stop riding horses because we have cars? Do people stop building hand
crafted furniture because we have power tools? Do people stop going to
libraries because we have the Internet?

Is CW dead?
Should CW be a requirement?
Should we eliminate ham radio because we have cell phones and the Internet?
Should we make it as easy to get a pilot's license as it is to get a ham
license?
Should we make it as easy to get a driver's license as it is to get a ham
license?
Should we make it as easy to get a license to practice medicine as it is to
get a ham license?
Should we make it even easier to get a ham license and still expect orderly
behavior on the air?
Should the FCC's enforcement budget be reduced further and still expect orderly
behavior on the air?
Should ham radio be made narrow rather than allow a broad range of interests?

Just food for thought, not incentive for debate here or elsewhere...

I WANT A HAM LICENSE, AN I WANT IT EASY!!!
Oh, and can I skip that theory stuff too?
The answers are all in books somewhere, what good does it do to memorize it?
Get with the times....information is on magnetic media, not in brain
matter!!
Now, where did I put that answer sheet to next weeks finals that I paid so
much for??

CW Lives!!
....Dave

"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

To dumb to learn CW??? Sad , how sad
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

I'm thinking that the reason we have these folks who want it easy is
because the band activity was slowly dying off, so to get more people
into the hobby -so it would not DIE altogether we have all these
non code types... we have no one to blame but us... the CW hams!!
n2jhs
5wpm, tech plus or what ever i'm called now...
-
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:51:51 -0600, "ac5tx" wrote:

To dumb to learn CW??? Sad , how sad
"Hamguy" wrote in message
. ..
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

Hi,
Dumbs can be taught, it may take longer.
Lazy whiny buggers are no good for anything.

ac5tx wrote:

To dumb to learn CW??? Sad , how sad
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...

Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.

Additionally,

we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn

it.

And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
news:11PDb.727085$6C4.501773@pd7tw1no...
Hi,
Dumbs can be taught, it may take longer.
Lazy whiny buggers are no good for anything.

ac5tx wrote:

To dumb to learn CW??? Sad , how sad
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...


People don't seem to get the concept of the difference between 'stupid' and
'ignorant'. The truly stupid cannot be taught, at least without great
effort. The ignorant simply don't know anything about a given subject, and
can be taught. The lazy are another thing entirely, and can be either
stupid or ignorant, and not WANT to learn.