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OT - Garage Door Openers troubleshooting?
Anyone do this sort of work or have a pretty vast knowledge of brands and
compatibility? Someone here in town has installed a Garage Door opener. He presented me with the following two devices when asking the question or more so presenting me with the problem. Wards Magikey Model 702. There is a freq and a code listed on the unit. Sears Model #139.53718. FCC ID # HBW3CQ53718 I'm not real clear on their installation - but they're telling me that the Sears unit (remote) isn't working to open the door. Also the "Garage Keypad" isn't working either (Sears brand - presumably the mate to the remote) but the button inside the garage does work to raise and lower the garage door. He is thinking the remote and key pad need set to work with the motor assembly. I've never laid eyes on it, so I have no clue. IF anyone has any info on either or both of these units, please let me know. Also, if you can lead me - more so "him" in the right direction to get him straightened out, that would be nice. "I" don't fool with openers so, I admit, I'm clueless here. Actually, I have a suspicion, he may be trying to piece together a couple different systems as evidenced above - and though he swears the Keypad and remote are Sears, "I" am thinking they may be of different models and not compatible. "I" do not know nor did he say, what brand or model the motor was for the opener. Not sure why he didn't go and buy "A" new unit - complete. I suppose he is trying to save a few bucks, but I have a feeling in the end he may screw around and waste more time and have more aggravation than it is worth. He nor I (certainly) have no paperwork on these two devices. If anyone does, we'd appreciate any help. Please reply directly. Thanks in advance. Lou |
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most likely he is discovering the difference between either 1. different " rolling code " GDOs or a mix of older conventional PCM GDOs and 2. the newer " rolling code " types. the older PCM types have a row of circuit board switches that have to be matched to operate properly. different brands may have subtle differences that prevent them from being compatible with other brands. ( different length of code , 1 , 2, or 3 different operating freqs, etc. ) the newer " rolling code " encryption types must usually be programmed to match each other in order to be comparable. this must be done by the retailer , at the store , much like getting your car key chain remote ( also rolling code ) reprogrammed. here , again, different brands have different codes or freqs and equipment from different makers will not likely be comparable. older , PCM, type openers can be " hacked " by both eavesdropping on their " fixed " digital code ( from a nearby location ) or by brute force , high power , " code sweep " generators. most newer garage door operators have the " rolling code " type openers and these cannot be hacked by any public means. here again the openers must be matched by code types ( freq, maker codeing , etc ) in order for the accessories to work. search Google for " rolling code garage doors " for 50.000 hits many suppliers have " universal " openers , both rolling code and PCM that are designed to work with a number of different systems ... search Google for " universal garage door openers " for about 54,000 hits . k.................................. On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:15:25 -0400, "Lou" wrote: Anyone do this sort of work or have a pretty vast knowledge of brands and compatibility? Someone here in town has installed a Garage Door opener. He presented me with the following two devices when asking the question or more so presenting me with the problem. Wards Magikey Model 702. There is a freq and a code listed on the unit. Sears Model #139.53718. FCC ID # HBW3CQ53718 I'm not real clear on their installation - but they're telling me that the Sears unit (remote) isn't working to open the door. Also the "Garage Keypad" isn't working either (Sears brand - presumably the mate to the remote) but the button inside the garage does work to raise and lower the garage door. He is thinking the remote and key pad need set to work with the motor assembly. I've never laid eyes on it, so I have no clue. IF anyone has any info on either or both of these units, please let me know. Also, if you can lead me - more so "him" in the right direction to get him straightened out, that would be nice. "I" don't fool with openers so, I admit, I'm clueless here. Actually, I have a suspicion, he may be trying to piece together a couple different systems as evidenced above - and though he swears the Keypad and remote are Sears, "I" am thinking they may be of different models and not compatible. "I" do not know nor did he say, what brand or model the motor was for the opener. Not sure why he didn't go and buy "A" new unit - complete. I suppose he is trying to save a few bucks, but I have a feeling in the end he may screw around and waste more time and have more aggravation than it is worth. He nor I (certainly) have no paperwork on these two devices. If anyone does, we'd appreciate any help. Please reply directly. Thanks in advance. Lou |
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Thanks, I'll see what I can find out. I'm not sure if he has Web access or
not - I doubt it, but I'll try to get the info for him. I guess I should have mentioned too, that the Sears remote did have dip switches in it, while the "Wards" unit had 2 adjustable coils in it. One I'm sure was for the Frequency. Me thinks - he is going to have a dilemma here shy of buying a complete system. Lou "krackula" wrote in message news most likely he is discovering the difference between either 1. different " rolling code " GDOs or a mix of older conventional PCM GDOs and 2. the newer " rolling code " types. the older PCM types have a row of circuit board switches that have to be matched to operate properly. different brands may have subtle differences that prevent them from being compatible with other brands. ( different length of code , 1 , 2, or 3 different operating freqs, etc. ) the newer " rolling code " encryption types must usually be programmed to match each other in order to be comparable. this must be done by the retailer , at the store , much like getting your car key chain remote ( also rolling code ) reprogrammed. here , again, different brands have different codes or freqs and equipment from different makers will not likely be comparable. older , PCM, type openers can be " hacked " by both eavesdropping on their " fixed " digital code ( from a nearby location ) or by brute force , high power , " code sweep " generators. most newer garage door operators have the " rolling code " type openers and these cannot be hacked by any public means. here again the openers must be matched by code types ( freq, maker codeing , etc ) in order for the accessories to work. search Google for " rolling code garage doors " for 50.000 hits many suppliers have " universal " openers , both rolling code and PCM that are designed to work with a number of different systems ... search Google for " universal garage door openers " for about 54,000 hits . k.................................. On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:15:25 -0400, "Lou" wrote: Anyone do this sort of work or have a pretty vast knowledge of brands and compatibility? Someone here in town has installed a Garage Door opener. He presented me with the following two devices when asking the question or more so presenting me with the problem. Wards Magikey Model 702. There is a freq and a code listed on the unit. Sears Model #139.53718. FCC ID # HBW3CQ53718 I'm not real clear on their installation - but they're telling me that the Sears unit (remote) isn't working to open the door. Also the "Garage Keypad" isn't working either (Sears brand - presumably the mate to the remote) but the button inside the garage does work to raise and lower the garage door. He is thinking the remote and key pad need set to work with the motor assembly. I've never laid eyes on it, so I have no clue. IF anyone has any info on either or both of these units, please let me know. Also, if you can lead me - more so "him" in the right direction to get him straightened out, that would be nice. "I" don't fool with openers so, I admit, I'm clueless here. Actually, I have a suspicion, he may be trying to piece together a couple different systems as evidenced above - and though he swears the Keypad and remote are Sears, "I" am thinking they may be of different models and not compatible. "I" do not know nor did he say, what brand or model the motor was for the opener. Not sure why he didn't go and buy "A" new unit - complete. I suppose he is trying to save a few bucks, but I have a feeling in the end he may screw around and waste more time and have more aggravation than it is worth. He nor I (certainly) have no paperwork on these two devices. If anyone does, we'd appreciate any help. Please reply directly. Thanks in advance. Lou |
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just guessing .....sounds like an old PCM system and a " super old " ( read this as throw this stuff away ) ..... type opener. it's easy and fairly inexpensive to abandon both older types and add a modern technology rolling code type operator. the receiver connects to the " inside the house operator " push button terminals on the old receiver and mounts right next to the old system. Sears , for example , sells many compatible accessories and the receiver for this type of system. they have wireless keypads , key chain units, and " built in " ( like in you car's console ) type units. none of it very expensive. accessories that work with X-10 equipment / controls is commonly available for advanced users , and automated home installations. ebay is awash with VERY affordable deals on this stuff , heavily discounted and still new in the box. k....................... On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:52:59 -0400, "Lou" wrote: Thanks, I'll see what I can find out. I'm not sure if he has Web access or not - I doubt it, but I'll try to get the info for him. I guess I should have mentioned too, that the Sears remote did have dip switches in it, while the "Wards" unit had 2 adjustable coils in it. One I'm sure was for the Frequency. Me thinks - he is going to have a dilemma here shy of buying a complete system. Lou "krackula" wrote in message news most likely he is discovering the difference between either 1. different " rolling code " GDOs or a mix of older conventional PCM GDOs and 2. the newer " rolling code " types. the older PCM types have a row of circuit board switches that have to be matched to operate properly. different brands may have subtle differences that prevent them from being compatible with other brands. ( different length of code , 1 , 2, or 3 different operating freqs, etc. ) the newer " rolling code " encryption types must usually be programmed to match each other in order to be comparable. this must be done by the retailer , at the store , much like getting your car key chain remote ( also rolling code ) reprogrammed. here , again, different brands have different codes or freqs and equipment from different makers will not likely be comparable. older , PCM, type openers can be " hacked " by both eavesdropping on their " fixed " digital code ( from a nearby location ) or by brute force , high power , " code sweep " generators. most newer garage door operators have the " rolling code " type openers and these cannot be hacked by any public means. here again the openers must be matched by code types ( freq, maker codeing , etc ) in order for the accessories to work. search Google for " rolling code garage doors " for 50.000 hits many suppliers have " universal " openers , both rolling code and PCM that are designed to work with a number of different systems ... search Google for " universal garage door openers " for about 54,000 hits . k.................................. On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:15:25 -0400, "Lou" wrote: Anyone do this sort of work or have a pretty vast knowledge of brands and compatibility? Someone here in town has installed a Garage Door opener. He presented me with the following two devices when asking the question or more so presenting me with the problem. Wards Magikey Model 702. There is a freq and a code listed on the unit. Sears Model #139.53718. FCC ID # HBW3CQ53718 I'm not real clear on their installation - but they're telling me that the Sears unit (remote) isn't working to open the door. Also the "Garage Keypad" isn't working either (Sears brand - presumably the mate to the remote) but the button inside the garage does work to raise and lower the garage door. He is thinking the remote and key pad need set to work with the motor assembly. I've never laid eyes on it, so I have no clue. IF anyone has any info on either or both of these units, please let me know. Also, if you can lead me - more so "him" in the right direction to get him straightened out, that would be nice. "I" don't fool with openers so, I admit, I'm clueless here. Actually, I have a suspicion, he may be trying to piece together a couple different systems as evidenced above - and though he swears the Keypad and remote are Sears, "I" am thinking they may be of different models and not compatible. "I" do not know nor did he say, what brand or model the motor was for the opener. Not sure why he didn't go and buy "A" new unit - complete. I suppose he is trying to save a few bucks, but I have a feeling in the end he may screw around and waste more time and have more aggravation than it is worth. He nor I (certainly) have no paperwork on these two devices. If anyone does, we'd appreciate any help. Please reply directly. Thanks in advance. Lou |
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Gotcha! Truthfully, as I alluded to, not sure why he didn't just buy a
complete set in the beginning. Sometimes, saving money costs more in the end. Lou "krackula" wrote in message ... just guessing .....sounds like an old PCM system and a " super old " ( read this as throw this stuff away ) ..... type opener. it's easy and fairly inexpensive to abandon both older types and add a modern technology rolling code type operator. the receiver connects to the " inside the house operator " push button terminals on the old receiver and mounts right next to the old system. Sears , for example , sells many compatible accessories and the receiver for this type of system. they have wireless keypads , key chain units, and " built in " ( like in you car's console ) type units. none of it very expensive. accessories that work with X-10 equipment / controls is commonly available for advanced users , and automated home installations. ebay is awash with VERY affordable deals on this stuff , heavily discounted and still new in the box. k....................... On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:52:59 -0400, "Lou" wrote: Thanks, I'll see what I can find out. I'm not sure if he has Web access or not - I doubt it, but I'll try to get the info for him. I guess I should have mentioned too, that the Sears remote did have dip switches in it, while the "Wards" unit had 2 adjustable coils in it. One I'm sure was for the Frequency. Me thinks - he is going to have a dilemma here shy of buying a complete system. Lou "krackula" wrote in message news most likely he is discovering the difference between either 1. different " rolling code " GDOs or a mix of older conventional PCM GDOs and 2. the newer " rolling code " types. the older PCM types have a row of circuit board switches that have to be matched to operate properly. different brands may have subtle differences that prevent them from being compatible with other brands. ( different length of code , 1 , 2, or 3 different operating freqs, etc. ) the newer " rolling code " encryption types must usually be programmed to match each other in order to be comparable. this must be done by the retailer , at the store , much like getting your car key chain remote ( also rolling code ) reprogrammed. here , again, different brands have different codes or freqs and equipment from different makers will not likely be comparable. older , PCM, type openers can be " hacked " by both eavesdropping on their " fixed " digital code ( from a nearby location ) or by brute force , high power , " code sweep " generators. most newer garage door operators have the " rolling code " type openers and these cannot be hacked by any public means. here again the openers must be matched by code types ( freq, maker codeing , etc ) in order for the accessories to work. search Google for " rolling code garage doors " for 50.000 hits many suppliers have " universal " openers , both rolling code and PCM that are designed to work with a number of different systems ... search Google for " universal garage door openers " for about 54,000 hits . k.................................. On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:15:25 -0400, "Lou" wrote: Anyone do this sort of work or have a pretty vast knowledge of brands and compatibility? Someone here in town has installed a Garage Door opener. He presented me with the following two devices when asking the question or more so presenting me with the problem. Wards Magikey Model 702. There is a freq and a code listed on the unit. Sears Model #139.53718. FCC ID # HBW3CQ53718 I'm not real clear on their installation - but they're telling me that the Sears unit (remote) isn't working to open the door. Also the "Garage Keypad" isn't working either (Sears brand - presumably the mate to the remote) but the button inside the garage does work to raise and lower the garage door. He is thinking the remote and key pad need set to work with the motor assembly. I've never laid eyes on it, so I have no clue. IF anyone has any info on either or both of these units, please let me know. Also, if you can lead me - more so "him" in the right direction to get him straightened out, that would be nice. "I" don't fool with openers so, I admit, I'm clueless here. Actually, I have a suspicion, he may be trying to piece together a couple different systems as evidenced above - and though he swears the Keypad and remote are Sears, "I" am thinking they may be of different models and not compatible. "I" do not know nor did he say, what brand or model the motor was for the opener. Not sure why he didn't go and buy "A" new unit - complete. I suppose he is trying to save a few bucks, but I have a feeling in the end he may screw around and waste more time and have more aggravation than it is worth. He nor I (certainly) have no paperwork on these two devices. If anyone does, we'd appreciate any help. Please reply directly. Thanks in advance. Lou |
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"Lou" wrote in message ... He is thinking the remote and key pad need set to work with the motor assembly. I'm no expert on the subject but do know that a lot of openers including some sears units use the intellicode system. If by some bit of luck that is what you have the receiver programming info is shown here www.1stdooropeners.com/genie/git90123coding.htm Rob Mills |
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Thanks, I'll take a look. I STILL think he is going to end up buying a whole
new system - much to his advantage I would think. Lou "Rob Mills" wrote in message news:nINxc.16693$W01.3449@okepread01... "Lou" wrote in message ... He is thinking the remote and key pad need set to work with the motor assembly. I'm no expert on the subject but do know that a lot of openers including some sears units use the intellicode system. If by some bit of luck that is what you have the receiver programming info is shown here www.1stdooropeners.com/genie/git90123coding.htm Rob Mills |
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