David G. Nagel wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:

Dirk wrote:

Ham's care more about operating appliances than knowing how to save a
lives.


How many times in the entire history of amateur radio
has a ham used CW to actually save a life? One would
think there would be a book full of examples by now.

A ham operator intercepted the SOS from the RMS Titanic.
how many life were saved thereby the Carpathia wheard the call and
arrived to save some folks what role did the ARS playing in saving even
one life that sorry day?

an old friend wrote:
David G. Nagel wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:


Dirk wrote:


Ham's care more about operating appliances than knowing how to save a
lives.


How many times in the entire history of amateur radio
has a ham used CW to actually save a life? One would
think there would be a book full of examples by now.

A ham operator intercepted the SOS from the RMS Titanic.

how many life were saved thereby the Carpathia wheard the call and
arrived to save some folks what role did the ARS playing in saving even
one life that sorry day?


We aren't talking about failure to receive a CW SOS. Those ships that
responded did so after receiving word of the sinking by radio. They
saved many lives from the lifeboats which would otherwise have been lost
to the cold.

Dave N

uhhhh..... good point. Not sure what your point applies to... but OK, we all
agree that radio is a useful invention.
What were we talking about again?

rb


"David G. Nagel" wrote in message
...
an old friend wrote:
David G. Nagel wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:


Dirk wrote:


Ham's care more about operating appliances than knowing how to save a
lives.


How many times in the entire history of amateur radio
has a ham used CW to actually save a life? One would
think there would be a book full of examples by now.

A ham operator intercepted the SOS from the RMS Titanic.

how many life were saved thereby the Carpathia wheard the call and
arrived to save some folks what role did the ARS playing in saving even
one life that sorry day?


We aren't talking about failure to receive a CW SOS. Those ships that
responded did so after receiving word of the sinking by radio. They saved
many lives from the lifeboats which would otherwise have been lost to the
cold.

Dave N

David G. Nagel wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
How many times in the entire history of amateur radio
has a ham used CW to actually save a life? One would
think there would be a book full of examples by now.

A ham operator intercepted the SOS from the RMS Titanic.

Did that save even one life? If the Titanic's CW operator
had not bullied the California's CW operator off the air,
the California might have saved the day. But after such
shabby treatment from the Titanic's arrogant CW operator,
the California's CW operator shut down and turned in.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

David G. Nagel wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:

Dirk wrote:

Ham's care more about operating appliances than knowing how to save a
lives.



How many times in the entire history of amateur radio
has a ham used CW to actually save a life? One would
think there would be a book full of examples by now.


A ham operator intercepted the SOS from the RMS Titanic.

Yep!! It happened once!

Dave wrote:
David G. Nagel wrote:
A ham operator intercepted the SOS from the RMS Titanic.

Yep!! It happened once!

If CW had not existed at the time, how would things have
turned out differently? If the present GPS-based system
had existed at the time, how would things have turned out?
Which system is presently inferior and virtually obsolete?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Cecil Moore wrote:

Dave wrote:

David G. Nagel wrote:

A ham operator intercepted the SOS from the RMS Titanic.


Yep!! It happened once!


If CW had not existed at the time, how would things have
turned out differently? If the present GPS-based system
had existed at the time, how would things have turned out?
Which system is presently inferior and virtually obsolete?

C'mon Cecil, you've been licensed as long as I have. I Know you Know CW. Does
that mean we're virtually obsolete?

RE Titanic:

The same result would have happened. The ship hit an iceberg in poor visibility.
I don't think icebergs carry GPS transponders these days.

Now, the Titanic's GPS; does it have transponder capability? The older GPS units
do not. Anyway, after the crew slipped by the iceberg that ripped it open, the
radio op gets on the air and reports "SOS" or equivalent. The nearest ships
respond. Under conditions similar to 1914{?} the Titanic still sinks. Many
people still die. But, now we know to 20 feet exactly where the ship was when it
sank.

GPS won't make a difference. Neither will CW today.

I still enjoy CW.

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:47:18 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

If CW had not existed at the time, how would things have
turned out differently? If the present GPS-based system
had existed at the time, how would things have turned out?

Since The radio operator of the Titanic knew exactly where they were,
GPS would have made absolutely no difference. If radio hadn't
existed, everyone aboard would have died.

The Titanic knew their coordinates.... didn't slow the influx of H20....
The responding ships had radios too... didn't turn their props any
faster....

Answer to the question.... there was no system then.
CW can punch through if there is a human on the other end, where GPS/packet
says 'no signal'....
GPS is faster, where CW takes longer....
so one is obsolete, the other inferior.

rb


"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
David G. Nagel wrote:
A ham operator intercepted the SOS from the RMS Titanic.

Yep!! It happened once!

If CW had not existed at the time, how would things have
turned out differently? If the present GPS-based system
had existed at the time, how would things have turned out?
Which system is presently inferior and virtually obsolete?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

It was a CQD actually....
but the point is,
the ham immediately alerted the Frankfurt, Olympic, Carpathia, et al and
told them to go save lives! Being simple Marconists however; they all said
'no' so the ham
grabbed his portable radio trunk, strapped a J-38 to his leg, jumped into
his skiff and madly paddled 46 hours straight out to the stricken ship, all
the while tapping
out rescue coordination efforts with his elbow, and.... wait... I forget,
where does it go from there?

rb


"David G. Nagel" wrote in message
...
Cecil Moore wrote:

Dirk wrote:

Ham's care more about operating appliances than knowing how to save a
lives.


How many times in the entire history of amateur radio
has a ham used CW to actually save a life? One would
think there would be a book full of examples by now.

A ham operator intercepted the SOS from the RMS Titanic.