K4YZ wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Then why isn't knowledge of Morse code and the CW mode
sufficient? Why must someone be forced to memorize
the individual characters?

Probably, Cecil, since it would then make it difficult to pass the
test.

You missed the point. The Morse code skill exam requires
memorizing the characters. Memorizing is being condemned
as an evil act. Since memorizing is evil, the Morse code
skill exam should be the first thing to be eliminated.
--
73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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K4YZ wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Then why isn't knowledge of Morse code and the CW mode
sufficient? Why must someone be forced to memorize
the individual characters?

Probably, Cecil, since it would then make it difficult to pass the
test.

You missed the point. The Morse code skill exam requires
memorizing the characters. Memorizing is being condemned
as an evil act. Since memorizing is evil, the Morse code
skill exam should be the first thing to be eliminated.
--
73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

In some cases, it "could" be said that hairs are being split. To have
"knowledge" of the code - could mean basically - you know it exists and why
it is used. To "know" the Morse Code, usually refers to KNOWING the
characters sufficiently to use them at whatever speed it is you can. On the
other hand, someone who isn't involved could say - that a Ham operator is
"knowledgable" in the code. Heck, to someone not IN Ham radio - they could
easily assume a NO CODE tech - KNOWS code.

Memory plays a big part be it with learning CODE OR Electronics formulas.
MEMORY plays a huge part in "remembering" how to solder correctly and so on.
You have to MEMORIZE these things just like code characters - to be
proficient. Just like MEMORIZING traffic signs and so on - to get your
license to drive.
I think there is too big a deal being made here.

It comes down to - if you want to do ANYTHING - be it do morse code, drive,
parachuting, whatever - you have to MEMORIZE SOMETHING - to make it happen.

Lou/ka3flu

"clfe" wrote in message
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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K4YZ wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Then why isn't knowledge of Morse code and the CW mode
sufficient? Why must someone be forced to memorize
the individual characters?

Probably, Cecil, since it would then make it difficult to pass the
test.

You missed the point. The Morse code skill exam requires
memorizing the characters. Memorizing is being condemned
as an evil act. Since memorizing is evil, the Morse code
skill exam should be the first thing to be eliminated.
--
73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

In some cases, it "could" be said that hairs are being split. To have
"knowledge" of the code - could mean basically - you know it exists and
why it is used. To "know" the Morse Code, usually refers to KNOWING the
characters sufficiently to use them at whatever speed it is you can. On
the other hand, someone who isn't involved could say - that a Ham operator
is "knowledgable" in the code. Heck, to someone not IN Ham radio - they
could easily assume a NO CODE tech - KNOWS code.

Just to clarify my point - many "assume" a Ham Operator - regardless the
license - KNOWS code. So, if a "No Code" tech simply says "I"M A HAM
OPERATOR" to someone not knowing the license class structure, the
"assumption is made. AND unless that NC tech clarifies it, the unsuspecting
person will go on in ignorance "assuming" ALL hams "know" code. Morse Code
(per my recollection) has always been and most likely - even if only in
history books - always will be known and associated with HAM RADIO.

lou

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:31:37 -0400, "clfe"
wrote:

AND unless that NC tech clarifies it, the unsuspecting
person will go on in ignorance "assuming" ALL hams "know" code.

------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

Well then, cure the ignorance. Wouldn't that be easier than learning
the code?

Bill, W6WRT

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:31:37 -0400, "clfe"
wrote:

AND unless that NC tech clarifies it, the unsuspecting
person will go on in ignorance "assuming" ALL hams "know" code.

------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

Well then, cure the ignorance. Wouldn't that be easier than learning
the code?

Bill, W6WRT

I "may" agree with you - in part, but we all know thats not going to happen!
It is a matter of human nature.

clfe wrote:
"Bill Turner" wrote in message
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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:31:37 -0400, "clfe"
wrote:

AND unless that NC tech clarifies it, the unsuspecting
person will go on in ignorance "assuming" ALL hams "know" code.

------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

Well then, cure the ignorance. Wouldn't that be easier than learning
the code?

Bill, W6WRT

I "may" agree with you - in part, but we all know thats not going to happen!
It is a matter of human nature.
i don't it was pretty for me one day work on one of these bike races
the served organizers heard the reapteer CW id asked what it read I
said hame were no longer required to be to read them and I could not,
time change ignorance fixed

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On 4 Aug 2006 14:18:12 -0700, "an old freind"
wrote:

i don't it was pretty for me one day work on one of these bike races
the served organizers heard the reapteer CW id asked what it read I
said hame were no longer required to be to read them and I could not,
time change ignorance fixed

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Text like the above is what comes out when I try to copy CW.

Bill, W6WRT
20 WPM Extra, but just barely

"an old freind" wrote in
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clfe wrote:
"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:31:37 -0400, "clfe"
wrote:

AND unless that NC tech clarifies it, the unsuspecting
person will go on in ignorance "assuming" ALL hams "know" code.

------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

Well then, cure the ignorance. Wouldn't that be easier than learning
the code?

Bill, W6WRT

I "may" agree with you - in part, but we all know thats not going to
happen! It is a matter of human nature.
i don't it was pretty for me one day work on one of these bike races
the served organizers heard the reapteer CW id asked what it read I
said hame were no longer required to be to read them and I could not,
time change ignorance fixed


It's hard to figure out what you're actually trying to say sometimes Mark,
but what it looks like you were trying to convey to the race organizer is
that you're retarded.

Sc

Bill Turner wrote:

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:31:37 -0400, "clfe"
wrote:


AND unless that NC tech clarifies it, the unsuspecting
person will go on in ignorance "assuming" ALL hams "know" code.


------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

Well then, cure the ignorance. Wouldn't that be easier than learning
the code?

Bill, W6WRT

Cure the ignorance ... YEP!

How? Learn to copy code.

clfe wrote:
"clfe" wrote in message
...

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
. ..
K4YZ wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Then why isn't knowledge of Morse code and the CW mode
sufficient? Why must someone be forced to memorize
the individual characters?

Probably, Cecil, since it would then make it difficult to pass the
test.

You missed the point. The Morse code skill exam requires
memorizing the characters. Memorizing is being condemned
as an evil act. Since memorizing is evil, the Morse code
skill exam should be the first thing to be eliminated.
--
73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

In some cases, it "could" be said that hairs are being split. To have
"knowledge" of the code - could mean basically - you know it exists and
why it is used. To "know" the Morse Code, usually refers to KNOWING the
characters sufficiently to use them at whatever speed it is you can. On
the other hand, someone who isn't involved could say - that a Ham operator
is "knowledgable" in the code. Heck, to someone not IN Ham radio - they
could easily assume a NO CODE tech - KNOWS code.

Just to clarify my point - many "assume" a Ham Operator - regardless the
license - KNOWS code. So, if a "No Code" tech simply says "I"M A HAM
OPERATOR" to someone not knowing the license class structure, the
"assumption is made. AND unless that NC tech clarifies it, the unsuspecting
person will go on in ignorance "assuming" ALL hams "know" code. Morse Code
(per my recollection) has always been and most likely - even if only in
history books - always will be known and associated with HAM RADIO.

Heaven forbid that someone assumes that a lowly, unwashed Technician
know the CODE.

lou

Many "assume" that an Old Timer knows more than they actually know.
Most Old Timers are guilty of this kind of thinking. Furthermore, many
"assume" that newcomers to the hobby know little or nothing, and have
no desire to learn. Most Old Timers are guilty of this klind of
thinking.