Art wrote:
"What you nust understand is the circuit that constitutes a capacitor
part of which is a resistor that is seen in parallel."

That would be equivalent to a leaky capacitor.

There is no time delay in a pure resistor. Its voltage drop is in-phase
with the current through it.

I don`t have a complete equivalent circuit in mind.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

On 17 Nov, 16:57, (Richard Harrison) wrote:
Art wrote:

"What you nust understand is the circuit that constitutes a capacitor
part of which is a resistor that is seen in parallel."

That would be equivalent to a leaky capacitor.

There is no time delay in a pure resistor. Its voltage drop is in-phase
with the current through it.

I don`t have a complete equivalent circuit in mind.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Right. The the sino soidal shape will go thru with its time varient
which is the condition applied by programmers for EVERY segment.
But that is only half the story for a TANK circuit. The capacitor
stores energy just like charging a battery, it will not NOT thru.
When the situation is right the capacitor/battery releases all its
energy like
connecting a terminal to ground or shorting it.This allows the energy
to flow in dc format at a rate decides by its time constant ot time
varient
required for radiation. This energy release is imposed on the leakage
current
thus forming a new time varient rquirede for radiation.
Thus at different segment points the time varient is not a reflection
of a sino soidal leakage current but the summation of that PLUS the
capacitor dicharge time constant. Look up a tank circuit and all will
become clear when you follow the phase changes of the voltage and the
current first in forward direction and then the reverse direction.
Regards
Art

Art wrote:
"When the situation is right the capacitor/battery releases all its
energy like connecting a terminal to ground or shorting it."

Not quite. The inductance, whose reactance equals the capacitance`s
reactance at resonance, opposes any change in current. It only allows
current to grow exponentially during the cycle by simultaneously
generating a counter emf to oppose the current imposed on the inductance
from outside. The impressed current will lag the voltage across a pure
inductance by 90 degrees. The voltage builds across a pure capacitance
with a 90 degree lag of the current through the capacitance. This is
basic electricity 101.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

On 18 Nov, 19:00, (Richard Harrison) wrote:
Art wrote:

"When the situation is right the capacitor/battery releases all its
energy like connecting a terminal to ground or shorting it."

Not quite. The inductance, whose reactance equals the capacitance`s
reactance at resonance, opposes any change in current. It only allows
current to grow exponentially during the cycle by simultaneously
generating a counter emf to oppose the current imposed on the inductance
from outside. The impressed current will lag the voltage across a pure
inductance by 90 degrees. The voltage builds across a pure capacitance
with a 90 degree lag of the current through the capacitance.


This is
basic electricity 101.
Maybe in America!
Since it is resonant then it is a tank circuit where you have to
rethink the
90 degree lag
Art

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Richard Harrison wrote:
Art wrote:
"When the situation is right the capacitor/battery releases all its
energy like connecting a terminal to ground or shorting it."

Not quite. The inductance, whose reactance equals the capacitance`s
reactance at resonance, opposes any change in current. It only allows
current to grow exponentially during the cycle by simultaneously
generating a counter emf to oppose the current imposed on the inductance
from outside. The impressed current will lag the voltage across a pure
inductance by 90 degrees. The voltage builds across a pure capacitance
with a 90 degree lag of the current through the capacitance. This is
basic electricity 101.

A little too basic, I'm afraid. The 90 degree current lag applies only
to a steady state sinusoidal voltage. For other waveforms (like ones
you'd get connecting batteries or capacitors) you have to resort to the
more general time relationship v = L * di/dt. (Or, if inductance is
changing with time, v = d/dt (L * i).)

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Roy Lewallen wrote:
"S little too basic, I`m afraid. The 90 degree current lag applies only
to a steady state sinusoidal voltage."

A steady state sinusoidal voltage is exactly what I would expect on a
resonant antenna in the absence of modulation when a carrier has been
applied to the antenna for a short but not too short period of time.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

I wrote:
"The impressed current will lag the voltage across a pure inductance by
90 degrees."

Roy wrote:
"For other waveforms (like the ones you`d get connecting batteries or
capacitors) you have to resort to the more general time relationship
L*di/dt.

Roy is correct for connecting batteries or capacitors but Art was
working wih a lengthy antenna, not a lone elementary segment. He also
had no step functions, just a sine wave driving his antenna.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

On 20 Nov, 16:02, (Richard Harrison) wrote:
I wrote:

"The impressed current will lag the voltage across a pure inductance by
90 degrees."

Roy wrote:

"For other waveforms (like the ones you`d get connecting batteries or
capacitors) you have to resort to the more general time relationship
L*di/dt.

Roy is correct for connecting batteries or capacitors but Art was
working wih a lengthy antenna, not a lone elementary segment. He also
had no step functions, just a sine wave driving his antenna.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Oh Richard, you may deny my antenna but that is what I was alluding
to.
Again it is the LC ratio thatmust be kept for resonance. The
importance of these
are their characteristics as storage containers of energy the release
of which
is determined by their time constant. Both release their energy in
turn to
remove static particles from the surface of the radiator in a similar
way
to a battery at the time of explosion.( Note the battery comment
which
is what you responded to} This is the time varient required for
radiation that the masters disclosed but without pertinent details.
This started
when the Gaussian law of statics was shown by me to equate to the laws
founded by
Maxwell. SO WHAT was the thread that then dominated. But for me it was
not the
marrying of Gauss to Maxwell it was the journey taken in pursuit of
knoweledge
that could only be revealed by walking in the same shoes that Gauss
would have done
if he had not deserted mathematics. The journey shows evidence that
static particles
are at rest on a radiators surface. It also provides evidence that
radiators
with respect to Maxwells teachings are a wavelength long and in
equilibrium when
placed with static particles in a arbitary border. It then points to
the
logic of the time varient mentioned by the masters was NOT the sino
soidal current
provided but instead the explosion type release of energy from the
inherrent
storage containers. True sino soidal current runs around the circuit
but only because a
bypass resister is present with all capacitors. This bypass current is
extremely small
compared to the energy blast from a energy container. By the same
token for
equilibrium to be maintained the LC ratio must be kept to simulate the
action of
a pendulum and its occillations. Now the above is revealed not by the
proof
of the final calculations but from all that is observed during the
required journey.,
From the above it becomes obvious that the condition added by
programmers was not only
a fraud but also incorrect when the condition was added to existing
law
(which is fraudulent. When this inaccurate condition is removed and
Maqxwells
laws adhered to the errors generated by this false addition will
disappear.
From the above it can now be said that a radiator can be any shape or
variety
of elevation as long as it is in equilibrium (ala a wavelength long)
where
it can provide a lossless means of radiation when disregarding
frictional losses
of the circuit. It is also impotant to note that if the inductive
energy level
container is made larger at the same time holding to the LC ratio then
the
time constant required for radiation will increase. So think again
when you wish
to say "So What" since the above will become a lasting acceptance of
science
regardless of the baying crowd of this newsgroup that want to depart
to newer
aproaches that describe the Universe.
Oh, and another side comment, I have a rotatable top band antenna on
the
top of by tower using the nsame principles alluded to above and yes it
is directional and does not require a ground plain to attain
equilibrium.
Have a happy day
Art Unwin ....KB9MZ..XG (uk)

Art wrote:
"Oh Richard, you may deny my antenna but that is what I was alluding to.

Again it is the LC ratio that must be kept for resonance."

I don`t know enough about Art`s antenna to deny it. I do know that
resonance depends on the reciprocal of the sq. rt. of the product of LC,
not its quotient.

Explosive results from an inductor were introduced by Kettering, I
believe, through interruption of battery current through an inductor to
generate a very high voltage spark to ignite the fuel air mixture within
the cylinder of an internal combustion engine for automobiles. Just as I
doubt the inclusion of a pendulum in Art`s antenna, I also doubt the
presence of an interruptor to discharge either the capacitance or
inductance in the resonant antenna.

If Art`s antenna is novel, useful, and not completely obvious from prior
knowlege, he may profit from it. I wish him all the best.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

On 20 Nov, 16:02, (Richard Harrison) wrote:
I wrote:

"The impressed current will lag the voltage across a pure inductance by
90 degrees."

Roy wrote:

"For other waveforms (like the ones you`d get connecting batteries or
capacitors) you have to resort to the more general time relationship
L*di/dt.

Roy is correct for connecting batteries or capacitors but Art was
working wih a lengthy antenna, not a lone elementary segment. He also
had no step functions, just a sine wave driving his antenna.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

I am afraid it is more than that. Without an understanding of changing
phase angles of both voltage and current you will never understand
antennas. Look back at the comment you made with respect to phase
angle
and then re read Roy's comment where he corrected you with respect to
phase angles. You will just have to refresh yourself with respect to
voltage and current phase angles especially when they have the SAME
phase angle . My guess is you will find it in books by Bailey, Kraus
and ofcourse "you know who". And yes, I feed my antenna with a sine
wave
which by passes a capacitor but what on earth has that got to do with
the subject of batteries e.t.c.?
That sino soidal bypass is often termed "leakage" which is extremely
small
compared to the total energy fed to a radiator that creats radiation
tho necessary for relative phase angles to change.
You made a reference to" 101" for those who went to college well
if you did,then refresh yourself with notes taken
Art Unwin