Home |
Search |
Today's Posts |
#21
|
|||
|
|||
Grounding in Sand
Harold E. Johnson wrote:
Interesting. Here in Florida, the lightning capital of the continental US, the ordinary electrical service grounding mechanism is *only* via bonding to the metal in the foundation. New house construction will not pass inspection without such a connection unless other more complex arrangements are fashioned. There are typically no driven ground rods, and water pipes are usually non-conductive. (The NEC no longer allows water pipes to serve as the sole ground in any case.) 73, Gene W4SZ Must be a recent rules change Gene. I used to manufacture and sell an instrument to the power companies in FL, a meter that they would connect between one 120 Volt leg of the service drop and the residential ground rod, and drive the rod for a 25 Ohm ground. Typically, if they were installing pad mount transformers for underground service, they would install another ground rod there. The Withlacoochee Co-Op, which serviced some of the highest sand dunes in FL, would often drive 60 feet of ground rod to reach the required conductance. W4ZCB I don't know when the change was made. I discovered this rule when our house was being built in 2003. I noticed that there were no ground rods, and I started asking questions and looking into the code. Florida follows the NEC without exception. No modifications or local electrical codes are allowed. Of course the AHJ can override almost anything if he decides to. As you know, the electrical utilities generally are not bound by the NEC or other codes. They follow their own rules. Also, there are a lot of preexisting cases where the foundation steel is not connected to the outside of the concrete. Ground rods must be used. In those cases your ground-checker instrument would still be useful. 73, Gene W4SZ |
#22
|
|||
|
|||
Grounding in Sand
I don't know when the change was made. I discovered this rule when our
house was being built in 2003. I noticed that there were no ground rods, and I started asking questions and looking into the code. Florida follows the NEC without exception. No modifications or local electrical codes are allowed. Of course the AHJ can override almost anything if he decides to. As you know, the electrical utilities generally are not bound by the NEC or other codes. They follow their own rules. Also, there are a lot of preexisting cases where the foundation steel is not connected to the outside of the concrete. Ground rods must be used. In those cases your ground-checker instrument would still be useful. 73, Gene W4SZ I should have put a smiley face somewhere in the same zip code with the "recent" Gene. My experience ended in 1986 when I retired. Back then, (And for a good many years before) it was known as a "NEMA" Ground and 25 Ohms was the value. I had a country home near Brooksville, FL, with some acreage and 5 towers (Tallest 160 feet) for a little contesting. Being there only on weekends, it WAS a fairly high maintenance property. Hardly a time when I went there that there was not evidence of some lightning damage, even with considerable effort to minimize it. Before cell phones, I was close to being the highest thing in the county. Regards W4ZCB |
#23
|
|||
|
|||
Grounding in Sand
Harold E. Johnson wrote:
I don't know when the change was made. I discovered this rule when our house was being built in 2003. I noticed that there were no ground rods, and I started asking questions and looking into the code. Florida follows the NEC without exception. No modifications or local electrical codes are allowed. Of course the AHJ can override almost anything if he decides to. As you know, the electrical utilities generally are not bound by the NEC or other codes. They follow their own rules. Also, there are a lot of preexisting cases where the foundation steel is not connected to the outside of the concrete. Ground rods must be used. In those cases your ground-checker instrument would still be useful. 73, Gene W4SZ I should have put a smiley face somewhere in the same zip code with the "recent" Gene. My experience ended in 1986 when I retired. Back then, (And for a good many years before) it was known as a "NEMA" Ground and 25 Ohms was the value. I had a country home near Brooksville, FL, with some acreage and 5 towers (Tallest 160 feet) for a little contesting. Being there only on weekends, it WAS a fairly high maintenance property. Hardly a time when I went there that there was not evidence of some lightning damage, even with considerable effort to minimize it. Before cell phones, I was close to being the highest thing in the county. Regards W4ZCB Here of course we are talking about a safety ground connection. But for RF grounding you could you a counterpoise to your antenna. Just a wire array under the antenna system as used in the western desert in WW2. That would help to make the performance of your antennas more predictable at any rate. Here in NZ I am having ground troubles in a new subdivision. On a heavy clay soil with a reasonably heavy annual rainfall ~50 inches/year. The utility company appears to have very badly balanced the 3 phase underground power phases and it looks like we have quite a high current circulating between local grounds on our mains earth neutral system. Result, a lot of rf noise coming up the ground connection and even being radiated into antennas on local AM radio and ham equipment. They have been working on the problem but after 8 months we still have an s6/7 noise level across the HF bands. We are still on their case however. 73's cliff wright ZL1BDA. |
Reply |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Forum | |||
grounding | Antenna | |||
Showdown in the Sand. | Shortwave | |||
Grounding | Shortwave | |||
grounding | Antenna |