"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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Brian Oakley wrote:
Evolution does speak to origin, in the sense that it contradicts the
Biblical account.

Sorry, but that is false. If each "day" during the
creation is about 1.5 billion years long, there
is no disagreement between The Bible and evolution
engineered by God.

Genesis 1:1; In the beginning, God created the
Big Bang.
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com

If you look at the word "day" as it is used in the Hebrew language in the
OT, it means in almost every instance, a literal day. So why would we want
to imagine that it would mean anything else when the Bible is pretty clear.
B

Brian Oakley wrote:
If you look at the word "day" as it is used in the Hebrew language in
the OT, it means in almost every instance, a literal day. So why would
we want to imagine that it would mean anything else when the Bible is
pretty clear.

How could a "literal day" possibly exist before God
created the Sun on the 4th "day"???
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote in news:YQXHl.5960$Lr6.2997
@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com:

Brian Oakley wrote:
If you look at the word "day" as it is used in the Hebrew language in
the OT, it means in almost every instance, a literal day. So why would
we want to imagine that it would mean anything else when the Bible is
pretty clear.

How could a "literal day" possibly exist before God
created the Sun on the 4th "day"???

He created light on the first day.

Gordon wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote in news:YQXHl.5960$Lr6.2997
@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com:

Brian Oakley wrote:
If you look at the word "day" as it is used in the Hebrew language in
the OT, it means in almost every instance, a literal day. So why would
we want to imagine that it would mean anything else when the Bible is
pretty clear.
How could a "literal day" possibly exist before God
created the Sun on the 4th "day"???

He created light on the first day.

Well, consistent with that, records seem to indicate there was a big
flash of it at one point. And if that was Him, then He is also
responsible for all the stars and planets which subsequently coalesced.
At which point there began an enormous and complex organic chemistry
project which, given the amount of time He's allowed it to work, has now
provided almost an infinite variety of results, including the inhabiting
of at least (and perhaps only) one of the planets with intelligent life.

There are of course a variety of simplified, abridged, and age (or
epoch) appropriate versions of this history, the actual scale of which
is only slowing revealing itself to us. So it's apparent that if a
creator created all of what is, then He is responsible for a far more
intelligent design than the history books give Him the credit for; far
too intelligent perhaps for us to comprehend. Or maybe He is the simple
minded guy with anger management issues they wrote about hundreds of
years prior to sanitation. I don't claim to know.

ac6xg

Jim Kelley wrote:
Gordon wrote:
....

Well, consistent with that, records seem to indicate there was a big
flash of it at one point. And if that was Him, then He is also
responsible for all the stars and planets which subsequently coalesced.
At which point there began an enormous and complex organic chemistry
project which, given the amount of time He's allowed it to work, has now
provided almost an infinite variety of results, including the inhabiting
of at least (and perhaps only) one of the planets with intelligent life.
....

ac6xg

Which planet was that?
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

Tom Donaly wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
Gordon wrote:
...

Well, consistent with that, records seem to indicate there was a big
flash of it at one point. And if that was Him, then He is also
responsible for all the stars and planets which subsequently
coalesced. At which point there began an enormous and complex organic
chemistry project which, given the amount of time He's allowed it to
work, has now provided almost an infinite variety of results,
including the inhabiting of at least (and perhaps only) one of the
planets with intelligent life.
....

ac6xg

Which planet was that?
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

:-) It's a good question. But there would still be intelligent life
here even if humans did not happen to inhabint the planet.

ac6xg

Jim Kelley wrote:
But there would still be intelligent life
here even if humans did not happen to inhabint the planet.

I once read a book titled, "Is There Intelligent
Life in the Universe".

The last chapter was titled, "Is There Intelligent
Life on Earth?"
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com

Jim Kelley wrote in
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Gordon wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote in news:YQXHl.5960$Lr6.2997
@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com:

Brian Oakley wrote:
If you look at the word "day" as it is used in the Hebrew language
in the OT, it means in almost every instance, a literal day. So
why would we want to imagine that it would mean anything else when
the Bible is pretty clear.
How could a "literal day" possibly exist before God
created the Sun on the 4th "day"???

He created light on the first day.

Well, consistent with that, records seem to indicate there was a big
flash of it at one point. And if that was Him, then He is also
responsible for all the stars and planets which subsequently
coalesced.
At which point there began an enormous and complex organic chemistry
project which, given the amount of time He's allowed it to work, has
now provided almost an infinite variety of results, including the
inhabiting of at least (and perhaps only) one of the planets with
intelligent life.

There are of course a variety of simplified, abridged, and age (or
epoch) appropriate versions of this history, the actual scale of which
is only slowing revealing itself to us. So it's apparent that if a
creator created all of what is, then He is responsible for a far more
intelligent design than the history books give Him the credit for; far
too intelligent perhaps for us to comprehend. Or maybe He is the
simple minded guy with anger management issues they wrote about
hundreds of years prior to sanitation. I don't claim to know.

ac6xg

Sure, why not? Works for me.

Gordon wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote in news:YQXHl.5960$Lr6.2997
How could a "literal day" possibly exist before God
created the Sun on the 4th "day"???

He created light on the first day.

That may be, but a 24 hour day, i.e. sunrise to
sunrise, was impossible without the sun which was
created on the 4th day.

Actually, The Bible says that 1000 years in the
life of man is like one day to God. So why can't
2 billion years just as easily be like one day to
God?

The sun was indeed created about 8 billion years
after the Big Bang. 8 billion years divided by
"4 days" is indeed 2 billion years.
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com

OK, so this is getting way OT.
But, since you brought it up...
(skip down a bit)

Cecil Moore wrote in news:Kw8Il.8793$im1.6807
@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com:

Gordon wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote in news:YQXHl.5960$Lr6.2997
How could a "literal day" possibly exist before God
created the Sun on the 4th "day"???

He created light on the first day.

That may be, but a 24 hour day, i.e. sunrise to
sunrise, was impossible without the sun which was
created on the 4th day.

Let's review:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness
[was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved
upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God
divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Notice in Gen 1:4 that God divided the light from the darkness?
Thus the first day. Without the sun. Don't ask me how.
But, the sun is not the only thing in the universe that creates
light. Nor does it create the only type of light. Fireflys
for instance create a bioluminecense (sp?) type of light.
So the sun is not needed to create light. Nor is the first day
defined in terms of the motion of the sun.


Actually, The Bible says that 1000 years in the
life of man is like one day to God. So why can't
2 billion years just as easily be like one day to
God?

The sun was indeed created about 8 billion years
after the Big Bang. 8 billion years divided by
"4 days" is indeed 2 billion years.

OK, that's a reasonable theory.
We could ask Him when we get the chance.

Now: When God said "Let there be Light", What type
of antenna was he using?