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On Apr 14, 2:31 pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
Ah. So you didn't actually follow Will Rogers advice to:
"Be sure you are right, and then go on ahead."

I was sure I was right and then made the measurements
that proved it. The established laws of physics don't
require additional measurements. Have you proved
Maxwell's equations lately?

When one needs to delay a signal, one can install a
coil to accomplish that need. Why is it so hard to
accept that coils cause delays?
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73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com


What would be the difference in the amount of time it takes a pulse to
travel from feedpoint and be reflected back to the feed point
comparing a 1/4 wl 40 meter antenna to a 15ft loaded antenna center
loaded to resonate at 40 meters?

Jimmie


Do you want him to tell you what he believes it is, or what he has
actually measured it to be?

73, ac6xg
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On Apr 14, 3:29*pm, Jim Kelley wrote:
JIMMIE wrote:
On Apr 14, 2:31 pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
Ah. *So you didn't actually follow Will Rogers advice to:
"Be sure you are right, and then go on ahead."
I was sure I was right and then made the measurements
that proved it. The established laws of physics don't
require additional measurements. Have you proved
Maxwell's equations lately?


When one needs to delay a signal, one can install a
coil to accomplish that need. Why is it so hard to
accept that coils cause delays?
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, *http://www.w5dxp.com


What would be the difference in the amount of time it takes a pulse to
travel from feedpoint and be reflected back to the feed point
comparing a 1/4 wl 40 meter antenna to a 15ft loaded antenna center
loaded to resonate at 40 meters?


Jimmie


Do you want him to tell you what he believes it is, or what he has
actually measured it to be?

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I would like to hear anyones opinion on it.

Jimmie
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JIMMIE wrote:
On Apr 14, 3:29 pm, Jim Kelley wrote:
Do you want him to tell you what he believes it is, or what he has
actually measured it to be?


I would like to hear anyones opinion on it. Jimmie


Does anyone besides me suspect that JIMMIE talking
to Jim is the same person?
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On Apr 14, 1:09*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
JIMMIE wrote:
On Apr 14, 3:29 pm, Jim Kelley wrote:
Do you want him to tell you what he believes it is, or what he has
actually measured it to be?

I would like to hear anyones opinion on it. Jimmie


Does anyone besides me suspect that JIMMIE talking
to Jim is the same person?
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, *http://www.w5dxp.com


The voices say aye.

ac6xg





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On Apr 14, 8:16*pm, Jim Kelley wrote:
On Apr 14, 1:09*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:

JIMMIE wrote:
On Apr 14, 3:29 pm, Jim Kelley wrote:
Do you want him to tell you what he believes it is, or what he has
actually measured it to be?
I would like to hear anyones opinion on it. Jimmie


Does anyone besides me suspect that JIMMIE talking
to Jim is the same person?
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, *http://www.w5dxp.com


The voices say aye.

ac6xg


The voices are wrong, it doesnt take a lot of digging to find out who
I am if you really want to know, Ive been here for years. I just dont
like my identity plastered on newsgroups.

Jimmie


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On Apr 15, 7:35*am, JIMMIE wrote:
On Apr 14, 8:16*pm, Jim Kelley wrote:





On Apr 14, 1:09*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:


JIMMIE wrote:
On Apr 14, 3:29 pm, Jim Kelley wrote:
Do you want him to tell you what he believes it is, or what he has
actually measured it to be?
I would like to hear anyones opinion on it. Jimmie


Does anyone besides me suspect that JIMMIE talking
to Jim is the same person?
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, *http://www.w5dxp.com


The voices say aye.


ac6xg


The voices are wrong, it doesnt take a lot of digging to find out who
I am if you really want to know, Ive been here for years.


Yes, but don't you see? That's the clever deception. You could have
appended three letters to your first name and typed it in all caps,
and then only somebody as smart as Cecil could figure out that you are
actually me. Not even we would know it. :-)

73, ac6xg
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"JIMMIE" wrote in message
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On Apr 14, 3:29 pm, Jim Kelley wrote:

I would like to hear anyones opinion on it.


Everyone can have an opinion... but it takes an engineer with the proper
instruments to have the answer.

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Jim Kelley wrote:
Do you want him to tell you what he believes it is, or what he has
actually measured it to be?


If you had any idea of what you were talking about,
you would know that the total phase shift is unrelated
to the total delay. Some incremental phase shifts are
related to the velocity factor. Some incremental phase
shifts are instantaneous. If you don't already know
that, you don't know how to use a Smith Chart.
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73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com
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Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
Do you want him to tell you what he believes it is, or what he has
actually measured it to be?


If you had any idea of what you were talking about,
you would know that the total phase shift is unrelated
to the total delay.


But you're doing all the talking, Cecil - providing profound and
knowledgeable insights as in the above observation that phase shift and
delay are unrelated.

ac6xg




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On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:52:16 -0700, Jim Kelley
wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
Do you want him to tell you what he believes it is, or what he has
actually measured it to be?


If you had any idea of what you were talking about,
you would know that the total phase shift is unrelated
to the total delay.


But you're doing all the talking, Cecil - providing profound and
knowledgeable insights as in the above observation that phase shift and
delay are unrelated.


Exceedingly profound. Is there a third, unpublished, cosine parameter
(Suppressed Hypothetical Interval Term) for delay that is not phase
nor position? This must be another one of Cecil's "you are right, but
you are wrong about what you thought you were thinking about."

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC


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