On Apr 14, 2:31*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
Ah. *So you didn't actually follow Will Rogers advice to:
"Be sure you are right, and then go on ahead."

I was sure I was right and then made the measurements
that proved it. The established laws of physics don't
require additional measurements. Have you proved
Maxwell's equations lately?

When one needs to delay a signal, one can install a
coil to accomplish that need. Why is it so hard to
accept that coils cause delays?
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, *http://www.w5dxp.com

What would be the difference in the amount of time it takes a pulse to
travel from feedpoint and be reflected back to the feed point
comparing a 1/4 wl 40 meter antenna to a 15ft loaded antenna center
loaded to resonate at 40 meters?

Jimmie

JIMMIE wrote:
On Apr 14, 2:31 pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
Ah. So you didn't actually follow Will Rogers advice to:
"Be sure you are right, and then go on ahead."
I was sure I was right and then made the measurements
that proved it. The established laws of physics don't
require additional measurements. Have you proved
Maxwell's equations lately?

When one needs to delay a signal, one can install a
coil to accomplish that need. Why is it so hard to
accept that coils cause delays?
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com

What would be the difference in the amount of time it takes a pulse to
travel from feedpoint and be reflected back to the feed point
comparing a 1/4 wl 40 meter antenna to a 15ft loaded antenna center
loaded to resonate at 40 meters?

Jimmie

Do you want him to tell you what he believes it is, or what he has
actually measured it to be?

73, ac6xg

On Apr 14, 3:29*pm, Jim Kelley wrote:
JIMMIE wrote:
On Apr 14, 2:31 pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
Ah. *So you didn't actually follow Will Rogers advice to:
"Be sure you are right, and then go on ahead."
I was sure I was right and then made the measurements
that proved it. The established laws of physics don't
require additional measurements. Have you proved
Maxwell's equations lately?

When one needs to delay a signal, one can install a
coil to accomplish that need. Why is it so hard to
accept that coils cause delays?
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, *http://www.w5dxp.com

What would be the difference in the amount of time it takes a pulse to
travel from feedpoint and be reflected back to the feed point
comparing a 1/4 wl 40 meter antenna to a 15ft loaded antenna center
loaded to resonate at 40 meters?

Jimmie

Do you want him to tell you what he believes it is, or what he has
actually measured it to be?

73, ac6xg- Hide quoted text -

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I would like to hear anyones opinion on it.

Jimmie

JIMMIE wrote:
What would be the difference in the amount of time it takes a pulse to
travel from feedpoint and be reflected back to the feed point
comparing a 1/4 wl 40 meter antenna to a 15ft loaded antenna center
loaded to resonate at 40 meters?

Please don't confuse delay (amount of time) with the
total phase shift. There is a point in a loading coil
antenna where the phase shift is instantaneous.

The total phase shift is *exactly* the same assuming
both antennas are resonant on 40m. How could it possibly
be otherwise?
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com

Jim Kelley wrote:
Do you want him to tell you what he believes it is, or what he has
actually measured it to be?

If you had any idea of what you were talking about,
you would know that the total phase shift is unrelated
to the total delay. Some incremental phase shifts are
related to the velocity factor. Some incremental phase
shifts are instantaneous. If you don't already know
that, you don't know how to use a Smith Chart.
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com

JIMMIE wrote:
On Apr 14, 3:29 pm, Jim Kelley wrote:
Do you want him to tell you what he believes it is, or what he has
actually measured it to be?

I would like to hear anyones opinion on it. Jimmie

Does anyone besides me suspect that JIMMIE talking
to Jim is the same person?
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
Do you want him to tell you what he believes it is, or what he has
actually measured it to be?

If you had any idea of what you were talking about,
you would know that the total phase shift is unrelated
to the total delay.

But you're doing all the talking, Cecil - providing profound and
knowledgeable insights as in the above observation that phase shift and
delay are unrelated.

ac6xg

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:52:16 -0700, Jim Kelley
wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
Do you want him to tell you what he believes it is, or what he has
actually measured it to be?

If you had any idea of what you were talking about,
you would know that the total phase shift is unrelated
to the total delay.

But you're doing all the talking, Cecil - providing profound and
knowledgeable insights as in the above observation that phase shift and
delay are unrelated.

Exceedingly profound. Is there a third, unpublished, cosine parameter
(Suppressed Hypothetical Interval Term) for delay that is not phase
nor position? This must be another one of Cecil's "you are right, but
you are wrong about what you thought you were thinking about."

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:52:16 -0700, Jim Kelley
wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
Do you want him to tell you what he believes it is, or what he has
actually measured it to be?
If you had any idea of what you were talking about,
you would know that the total phase shift is unrelated
to the total delay.
But you're doing all the talking, Cecil - providing profound and
knowledgeable insights as in the above observation that phase shift and
delay are unrelated.

Exceedingly profound. Is there a third, unpublished, cosine parameter
(Suppressed Hypothetical Interval Term) for delay that is not phase
nor position? This must be another one of Cecil's "you are right, but
you are wrong about what you thought you were thinking about."

Right. I suspect it was because Cecil was wrong about what he thought I
was thinking about. Again. Either that, or he was referring to
standing waves of current that 'begin undulating linearly & laterally'
at a 'cosinusoidal reduced amplitude phase'.

73, ac6xg

"JIMMIE" wrote in message
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On Apr 14, 3:29 pm, Jim Kelley wrote:

I would like to hear anyones opinion on it.

Everyone can have an opinion... but it takes an engineer with the proper
instruments to have the answer.