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Recognition of the Aether presence or not
One of the most perplexing aurguements in the history of Physics is
the supposed existence of the Aether. Or in other words Aether is has to be considered as a media. In radio terms it can be stated that communication can be carried by a surface wave only if it travels along the line of different media which in physics is unshakable. Thus many physists argued that air itself must be considered as a medium in that surface radio waves certainly exist and thus the case against the existance of an Aether has not yet been proven, as the question of the two mediums involved have yet to be identified. As I have stated earlier the expansion of the laws of static particles show that particles from the Sun settle upon Earth's diamagnetic surfaces. Thus providing the medium that purists have searched for which now can replace the undeniable required presence of a medium instead of the former "Aether". Classical physics of Newton, Einstein and others had the answers all along with the Gaussian law of Statics! Regards Art notion of an Aether. |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 28, 6:06*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
One of the most perplexing aurguements in the history of Physics is the supposed existence of the *Aether. Or in other words Aether is has to be considered as a media. In radio terms it can be stated that communication can be carried by a surface wave only if it travels along the line of different media which in physics is unshakable. Thus many physists argued that air itself *must be considered as a medium in that surface radio waves certainly exist and thus the case against the existance of an Aether has not yet been proven, as the question of the two mediums involved have yet to be identified. As I have stated earlier the expansion of the laws of static particles show that particles from the Sun settle upon Earth's diamagnetic surfaces. Thus providing the medium that purists have searched for which now can replace the undeniable required presence of a medium instead of the former "Aether". Classical physics of Newton, Einstein and others had the answers all along with the Gaussian law of Statics! Regards Art notion of an Aether. geez, all this time to think of something interesting and all you can come up with is an outdated aether argument crossed with your magical levitating diamagnetic neutrinos??? you could at least have tried to latch onto this one and do something more original: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80...g-with-matter/ |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 28, 1:06*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
One of the most perplexing aurguements in the history of Physics is the supposed existence of the *Aether. It has been proven that "empty space" is indeed not empty and consists of quantum particles that wink in and out of existence. Aether does exist as a sort of quantum soup, just not in the limited form that was earlier conceived in the past before quantum physics. The Casimir effect is a manifestation of the quantum soup that exists in "empty space". Some physicists think that's where the dark energy is hiding. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 28, 1:33*pm, K1TTT wrote:
On Aug 28, 6:06*pm, Art Unwin wrote: One of the most perplexing aurguements in the history of Physics is the supposed existence of the *Aether. Or in other words Aether is has to be considered as a media. In radio terms it can be stated that communication can be carried by a surface wave only if it travels along the line of different media which in physics is unshakable. Thus many physists argued that air itself *must be considered as a medium in that surface radio waves certainly exist and thus the case against the existance of an Aether has not yet been proven, as the question of the two mediums involved have yet to be identified. As I have stated earlier the expansion of the laws of static particles show that particles from the Sun settle upon Earth's diamagnetic surfaces. Thus providing the medium that purists have searched for which now can replace the undeniable required presence of a medium instead of the former "Aether". Classical physics of Newton, Einstein and others had the answers all along with the Gaussian law of Statics! Regards Art notion of an Aether. geez, all this time to think of something interesting and all you can come up with is an outdated aether argument crossed with your magical levitating diamagnetic neutrinos??? *you could at least have tried to latch onto this one and do something more original:http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80...ientist-smackd... The article is about disagreements between scientists and not agreement, therefore nothing is conclusive. What is conclusive that making a static field dynamic shows the presence of particles in Maxwell's equations on radiation.If you do not have the knowledge to refute that fact then you have at your disposal the Physics Forum where the adjudicators are generally professors in the field who can provide you with the answers that you cannot find out for yourself. Intuition alone does not get the job done so go to the experts to verify your approach to physics. Classical physics clearly state that particles from the Sun is incorporated in the art of radiation via the extension to the laws of Static. If you want to over rule the professors knowledge of physics then do it directly on their forum. |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On 8/28/2010 11:06 AM, Art Unwin wrote:
... As I have stated earlier the expansion of the laws of static particles show that particles from the Sun settle upon Earth's diamagnetic surfaces. Thus providing the medium that purists have searched for which now can replace the undeniable required presence of a medium instead of the former "Aether". Classical physics of Newton, Einstein and others had the answers all along with the Gaussian law of Statics! Regards Art notion of an Aether. .... and that, of course, explains deep space propagation! Must have been sleeping though that one ... Regards, JS |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On 8/28/2010 12:32 PM, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 28, 1:06 pm, Art wrote: One of the most perplexing aurguements in the history of Physics is the supposed existence of the Aether. It has been proven that "empty space" is indeed not empty and consists of quantum particles that wink in and out of existence.... -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com Well, "ether particles" would certainly be one suitable explanation ... and, I must say, the word aether is growing on me, you suppose it is the way art pronounces it? grin Regards, JS |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 28, 2:32*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 28, 1:06*pm, Art Unwin wrote: One of the most perplexing aurguements in the history of Physics is the supposed existence of the *Aether. It has been proven that "empty space" is indeed not empty and consists of quantum particles that wink in and out of existence. Aether does exist as a sort of quantum soup, just not in the limited form that was earlier conceived in the past before quantum physics. The Casimir effect is a manifestation of the quantum soup that exists in "empty space". Some physicists think that's where the dark energy is hiding. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges. The two mediums discussed is in actuality mass and particles where as it was considered as mass and the Aether. I am certainly aware of the term quantum soup outside of the Earths confines! The two mediums of a radiator and particles is what provides for ground wave and connected to propagation. I don't think the scientists of the day were considering propagation in outer space but I am willing to read any article that supports your position There are many positions and counter positions on the subject given by most of the masters of the day. Art |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On 8/28/2010 1:26 PM, Art Unwin wrote:
... There are many positions and counter positions on the subject given by most of the masters of the day. Art Oh Art, this can be very taxing, but there is gravity, the method of the propagation of emf, and then there is dark matter, as Cecil threw in ... these are some of the last frontiers where discoveries will be finally be found. I interpret Einsteins remarks on ether to be an admission that his theory of gravity would become undefined, if not for the "gravitational ether", not his exact words--his theory involving gravity depends up an ether. An ether composed of quantum particles would begin a solid discovery of how rf/light can behave both as particles and as waves. Gravity affects and can bend radio waves, obviously radio waves should have some effect on gravity, at sufficient energy levels. Dark mass appears to have an effect on gravity ... so in there is also a suggestion that these all have some profound form of relationship ... and it is here that "guesses", predictions, statements of bizarre magnitude and theories can abound ... I believe I can see your house, where you reside, down the street, just over there ... glad to see ya' still kickin', as long as you ain't breathing dirt, it is a good day. Regards, JS |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 28, 8:26*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Aug 28, 2:32*pm, Cecil Moore wrote: On Aug 28, 1:06*pm, Art Unwin wrote: One of the most perplexing aurguements in the history of Physics is the supposed existence of the *Aether. It has been proven that "empty space" is indeed not empty and consists of quantum particles that wink in and out of existence. Aether does exist as a sort of quantum soup, just not in the limited form that was earlier conceived in the past before quantum physics. The Casimir effect is a manifestation of the quantum soup that exists in "empty space". Some physicists think that's where the dark energy is hiding. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges. The two mediums discussed is in actuality mass and particles where as it was considered as mass and the Aether. I am certainly aware of the term quantum soup outside of the Earths confines! The two mediums of a radiator and particles is what provides for ground wave and connected to propagation. I don't think the scientists of the day were considering propagation in outer space but I am willing to read any article that supports your position There are many positions and counter positions on the subject given by most of the masters of the day. Art you should really talk with mr.b... he likes those old time scientists and the stuff they wrote before all the real experiments disproved aether and magnetic vortices and all that other stuff that you seem to love. please write something new and funny about the magical levitating diamagnetic neutrinos that explain how my ferromagnetic antenna radiates. |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 28, 6:19*pm, K1TTT wrote:
On Aug 28, 8:26*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Aug 28, 2:32*pm, Cecil Moore wrote: On Aug 28, 1:06*pm, Art Unwin wrote: One of the most perplexing aurguements in the history of Physics is the supposed existence of the *Aether. It has been proven that "empty space" is indeed not empty and consists of quantum particles that wink in and out of existence. Aether does exist as a sort of quantum soup, just not in the limited form that was earlier conceived in the past before quantum physics. The Casimir effect is a manifestation of the quantum soup that exists in "empty space". Some physicists think that's where the dark energy is hiding. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges. The two mediums discussed is in actuality mass and particles where as it was considered as mass and the Aether. I am certainly aware of the term quantum soup outside of the Earths confines! The two mediums of a radiator and particles is what provides for ground wave and connected to propagation. I don't think the scientists of the day were considering propagation in outer space but I am willing to read any article that supports your position There are many positions and counter positions on the subject given by most of the masters of the day. Art you should really talk with mr.b... he likes those old time scientists and the stuff they wrote before all the real experiments disproved aether and magnetic vortices and all that other stuff that you seem to love. *please write something new and funny about the magical levitating diamagnetic neutrinos that explain how my ferromagnetic antenna radiates. Every time you put pen to paper it is painfully evident that you are totally lacking in the subject of physics. A ferromagnetic antenna will certainly radiate but it totally swamps the Meissner effect common with diamagnetic materials. They certainly do not duplicate in actions with respect to radiation. Most hams build their antennas with diamagnetic materials like copper and aluminum as they do not portray the hysteresis effect common with ferromagnetic materials. As for diamagnetic materials that demonstrate levitation you can buy these on E bay or at Edmonds scientific if you have any doubts about their authenticity. |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 28, 11:36*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Aug 28, 6:19*pm, K1TTT wrote: On Aug 28, 8:26*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Aug 28, 2:32*pm, Cecil Moore wrote: On Aug 28, 1:06*pm, Art Unwin wrote: One of the most perplexing aurguements in the history of Physics is the supposed existence of the *Aether. It has been proven that "empty space" is indeed not empty and consists of quantum particles that wink in and out of existence. Aether does exist as a sort of quantum soup, just not in the limited form that was earlier conceived in the past before quantum physics. The Casimir effect is a manifestation of the quantum soup that exists in "empty space". Some physicists think that's where the dark energy is hiding. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges. The two mediums discussed is in actuality mass and particles where as it was considered as mass and the Aether. I am certainly aware of the term quantum soup outside of the Earths confines! The two mediums of a radiator and particles is what provides for ground wave and connected to propagation. I don't think the scientists of the day were considering propagation in outer space but I am willing to read any article that supports your position There are many positions and counter positions on the subject given by most of the masters of the day. Art you should really talk with mr.b... he likes those old time scientists and the stuff they wrote before all the real experiments disproved aether and magnetic vortices and all that other stuff that you seem to love. *please write something new and funny about the magical levitating diamagnetic neutrinos that explain how my ferromagnetic antenna radiates. Every time you put pen to paper it is painfully evident that you are totally lacking in the subject of physics. A ferromagnetic antenna will certainly radiate but it totally swamps the Meissner effect common with diamagnetic materials. They certainly do not duplicate in actions with respect to radiation. Most hams build their antennas with diamagnetic materials like copper and aluminum as they do not portray the hysteresis effect common with ferromagnetic materials. As for diamagnetic materials that demonstrate levitation you can buy these on E bay or at Edmonds scientific if you have any doubts about their authenticity. but how can it radiate if it doesn't have your magical diamagnetic neutrinos to levitate?? oh and to bring in one of mr. b's favorites, how do diamagnetic neutrinos accumulate on copper wire antennas if they are insulated... i'm sure he will love to hear your answer. he thinks electrons jump off the antenna and require a dc source to keep the antenna charged, you would love to chat with him! |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On 8/28/2010 4:53 PM, K1TTT wrote:
but how can it radiate if it doesn't have your magical diamagnetic neutrinos to levitate?? oh and to bring in one of mr. b's favorites, how do diamagnetic neutrinos accumulate on copper wire antennas if they are insulated... i'm sure he will love to hear your answer. he thinks electrons jump off the antenna and require a dc source to keep the antenna charged, you would love to chat with him! You are pathetic, funny, but pathetic ... ROFLOL Regards, JS |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On 8/28/2010 6:53 PM, K1TTT wrote:
On Aug 28, 11:36 pm, Art wrote: On Aug 28, 6:19 pm, wrote: you should really talk with mr.b... he likes those old time scientists and the stuff they wrote before all the real experiments disproved aether and magnetic vortices and all that other stuff that you seem to love. please write something new and funny about the magical levitating diamagnetic neutrinos that explain how my ferromagnetic antenna radiates. Every time you put pen to paper it is painfully evident that you are totally lacking in the subject of physics. A ferromagnetic antenna will certainly radiate but it totally swamps the Meissner effect common with diamagnetic materials. They certainly do not duplicate in actions with respect to radiation. Most hams build their antennas with diamagnetic materials like copper and aluminum as they do not portray the hysteresis effect common with ferromagnetic materials. As for diamagnetic materials that demonstrate levitation you can buy these on E bay or at Edmonds scientific if you have any doubts about their authenticity. but how can it radiate if it doesn't have your magical diamagnetic neutrinos to levitate?? oh and to bring in one of mr. b's favorites, how do diamagnetic neutrinos accumulate on copper wire antennas if they are insulated... i'm sure he will love to hear your answer. he thinks electrons jump off the antenna and require a dc source to keep the antenna charged, you would love to chat with him! Ooo! Ooo! I know the answer! But I'll let Art entertain you first. tom K0TAR |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 29, 1:32*am, tom wrote:
On 8/28/2010 6:53 PM, K1TTT wrote: On Aug 28, 11:36 pm, Art *wrote: On Aug 28, 6:19 pm, *wrote: you should really talk with mr.b... he likes those old time scientists and the stuff they wrote before all the real experiments disproved aether and magnetic vortices and all that other stuff that you seem to love. *please write something new and funny about the magical levitating diamagnetic neutrinos that explain how my ferromagnetic antenna radiates. Every time you put pen to paper it is painfully evident that you are totally lacking in the subject of physics. A ferromagnetic antenna will certainly radiate but it totally swamps the Meissner effect common with diamagnetic materials. They certainly do not duplicate in actions with respect to radiation. Most hams build their antennas with diamagnetic materials like copper and aluminum as they do not portray the hysteresis effect common with ferromagnetic materials. As for diamagnetic materials that demonstrate levitation you can buy these on E bay or at Edmonds scientific if you have any doubts about their authenticity. but how can it radiate if it doesn't have your magical diamagnetic neutrinos to levitate?? * *oh and to bring in one of mr. b's favorites, how do diamagnetic neutrinos accumulate on copper wire antennas if they are insulated... i'm sure he will love to hear your answer. *he thinks electrons jump off the antenna and require a dc source to keep the antenna charged, you would love to chat with him! Ooo! *Ooo! *I know the answer! But I'll let Art entertain you first. tom K0TAR art will never figure it out, you might as well at least give him a hint. |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 28, 3:26*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges. Of course, but apples and oranges are both particles. The old masters were correct about the aether consisting of particles - they were just wrong about the nature of the particles. If someone hits you in the head with a frozen apple or a frozen orange in the dark on a winter night, it is difficult to tell the difference. Quantum physics has turned on the light. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
"K1TTT" wrote ... oh and to bring in one of mr. b's favorites, how do diamagnetic neutrinos accumulate on copper wire antennas if they are insulated... i'm sure he will love to hear your answer. he thinks electrons jump off the antenna and require a dc source to keep the antenna charged, you would love to chat with him! I will love to hear your description of the Art's idea. Your description of my idea is perfect: " he thinks electrons jump off the antenna and require a dc source to keep the antenna charged". I try unerstand Art's post, but without effect. Could you do a perfect Summary. S* |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
"Art Unwin" wrote ... On Aug 28, 1:33 pm, K1TTT wrote: One of the most perplexing aurguements in the history of Physics is the supposed existence of the Aether. Or in other words Aether is has to be considered as a media. In radio terms it can be stated that communication can be carried by a surface wave only if it travels along the line of different media which in physics is unshakable. Thus many physists argued that air itself must be considered as a medium in that surface radio waves certainly exist and thus the case against the existance of an Aether has not yet been proven, as the question of the two mediums involved have yet to be identified. In metals and plazma are the acoustic waves and the electric waves. In the both are the two media: ions and electrons. S* |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 28, 3:26 pm, Art Unwin wrote: Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges. Of course, but apples and oranges are both particles. The old masters were correct about the aether consisting of particles - they were just wrong about the nature of the particles. If someone hits you in the head with a frozen apple or a frozen orange in the dark on a winter night, it is difficult to tell the difference. Quantum physics has turned on the light. You people are all barking up the wrong tree. Phlogiston theory is where it is at. Everything since then is nothing but gobbldygook. Including that Johnny come lately, Aether theory. -73 de Mike N3LI - |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On 8/30/2010 1:05 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
... I will love to hear your description of the Art's idea. Your description of my idea is perfect: " he thinks electrons jump off the antenna and require a dc source to keep the antenna charged". I try unerstand Art's post, but without effect. Could you do a perfect Summary. S* Yeah. Art and "something about" some dc current/voltage and the ac current/voltage, (some dc voltage) + (some ac voltage) = peaks of ac raised to the combined potential of both is ... well, it is something, I guess ... Regards, JS |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 30, 11:39*am, Michael Coslo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: On Aug 28, 3:26 pm, Art Unwin wrote: Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges. Of course, but apples and oranges are both particles. The old masters were correct about the aether consisting of particles - they were just wrong about the nature of the particles. If someone hits you in the head with a frozen apple or a frozen orange in the dark on a winter night, it is difficult to tell the difference. Quantum physics has turned on the light. You people are all barking up the wrong tree. Phlogiston theory is where it is at. Everything since then is nothing but gobbldygook. Including that Johnny come lately, *Aether theory. -73 de Mike N3LI - Mike as I understand it Aether theory started with the motion that if two mediums meet then a electron can pass thru both mediums OR travel between two mediums. I suppose you can look at the Universe that way starting and then going thru a progression of different mediums until you come to the end or the last medium. If you put together two pieces of glass in sandwich fashion a electron, say light, may travel thru both pieces of glass AND/OR along the path between the two pieces of glass. Thus the exercise starts with Earth itself and then one determines the next medium and so on until one reaches the outer Galaxy. Now in a particular case scientists came across a dilemma where a path of light existed parallel to a medium but they could not determine exactly what the next medium was. Thus was brought forward the term Aether as a stop gap term until the medium could be truely determined. |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 30, 12:57*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Thus the exercise starts with Earth itself and then one determines the next medium and so on until one reaches the outer Galaxy. Visible energy/matter can occupy the same space as dark energy/matter, much like solid salt and water can occupy the same space. Just as the salt contributes to the mass contained in the water, visible mass contributes to the mass occupied by dark matter. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 30, 2:35*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 30, 12:57*pm, Art Unwin wrote: Thus the exercise starts with Earth itself and then one determines the next medium and so on until one reaches the outer Galaxy. Visible energy/matter can occupy the same space as dark energy/matter, much like solid salt and water can occupy the same space. Just as the salt contributes to the mass contained in the water, visible mass contributes to the mass occupied by dark matter. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com Since you are so familiar with the concept why not start from Earth with a progression until you get to Aether. I don't think you will get to your favorite "dark matter" For that matter explain what a "medium" is in physics terms. |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 30, 5:22*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Since you are so familiar with the concept why not start from Earth with a progression until you get to Aether. I don't think you will get to your favorite "dark matter" For that matter explain what a "medium" is in physics terms. Art, you don't seem to understand that there is a quantum base medium to which some other medium may or may not be added. The base medium exists throughout all of universal space and is the only medium that exists in otherwise empty space. Any other added medium, e.g. air or water, is just mixed with that base medium. Please stop thinking with a concrete brain. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 30, 6:06*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 30, 5:22*pm, Art Unwin wrote: Since you are so familiar with the concept why not start from Earth with a progression until you get to Aether. I don't think you will get to your favorite "dark matter" For that matter explain what a "medium" is in physics terms. Art, you don't seem to understand that there is a quantum base medium to which some other medium may or may not be added. The base medium exists throughout all of universal space and is the only medium that exists in otherwise empty space. Any other added medium, e.g. air or water, is just mixed with that base medium. Please stop thinking with a concrete brain. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com Concrete brain ! What are you referring to ? Frankly I just do not understand your response. |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 30, 11:39*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Aug 30, 6:06*pm, Cecil Moore wrote: On Aug 30, 5:22*pm, Art Unwin wrote: Since you are so familiar with the concept why not start from Earth with a progression until you get to Aether. I don't think you will get to your favorite "dark matter" For that matter explain what a "medium" is in physics terms. Art, you don't seem to understand that there is a quantum base medium to which some other medium may or may not be added. The base medium exists throughout all of universal space and is the only medium that exists in otherwise empty space. Any other added medium, e.g. air or water, is just mixed with that base medium. Please stop thinking with a concrete brain. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com Concrete brain ! What are you referring to ? Frankly I just do not understand your response. he's telling you that you are right but you are just so smart that you can't understand your own solution! |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 30, 8:05*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ... oh and to bring in one of mr. b's favorites, how do diamagnetic neutrinos accumulate on copper wire antennas if they are insulated... i'm sure he will love to hear your answer. *he thinks electrons jump off the antenna and require a dc source to keep the antenna charged, you would love to chat with him! I will love to hear your description of the Art's idea. Your description of my idea is perfect: " he thinks electrons jump off the antenna and require a dc source to keep the antenna charged". I try unerstand Art's post, *but without effect. Could you do a perfect Summary. S* instead of electrons jumping off the antenna art charges it with magical levitating diamagnetic neutrinos that flow out from the sun during sunspots to fly off the antenna. that would be the same mechanism that those other scientist dream of for affecting radioactive decay. |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On 8/30/2010 4:39 PM, Art Unwin wrote:
... Simply put, the ether has been in existence before God ... well, wait, they may cause a big debate ... change that to, "... in existence since God." ROFLOL Regards, JS |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On 8/30/2010 11:39 AM, Michael Coslo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: On Aug 28, 3:26 pm, Art Unwin wrote: Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges. Of course, but apples and oranges are both particles. The old masters were correct about the aether consisting of particles - they were just wrong about the nature of the particles. If someone hits you in the head with a frozen apple or a frozen orange in the dark on a winter night, it is difficult to tell the difference. Quantum physics has turned on the light. You people are all barking up the wrong tree. Phlogiston theory is where it is at. Everything since then is nothing but gobbldygook. Including that Johnny come lately, Aether theory. -73 de Mike N3LI - Are you sure? I heard it was Orgone Energy. It has cool antenna-like thingies that gather the Energy, too! tom K0TAR |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
"Michael Coslo" wrote ... You people are all barking up the wrong tree. Phlogiston theory is where it is at. Everything since then is nothing but gobbldygook. Including that Johnny come lately, Aether theory. Are many of Aether theories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...iferous_aether Some of them were erroneous. But the question what is the medium for radio waves remain. There are the two issues. Is it movable or not and what is made of. The first was judged by Michelson: "1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the velocity of light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this day, but this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken into account by the GPS system." So we know that the aether rotate with the Sun but not rotate with The Earth. The last proposition for the second was made by Dirac. In space is en electron see. So the medium for radio waves are free electrons. In the space are also ions, atoms and dust. It has name Interstellar Medium (ISM). S* |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
"Cecil Moore" wrote ... On Aug 30, 5:22 pm, Art Unwin wrote: Since you are so familiar with the concept why not start from Earth with a progression until you get to Aether. I don't think you will get to your favorite "dark matter" For that matter explain what a "medium" is in physics terms. Art, you don't seem to understand that there is a quantum base medium to which some other medium may or may not be added. The base medium exists throughout all of universal space and is the only medium that exists in otherwise empty space. Any other added medium, e.g. air or water, is just mixed with that base medium. Please stop thinking with a concrete brain. In the "physics terms" the base medium is Dirac electrons see. The "added medium" are ions, atoms and dust. All are produced by Stars. The same mixture is in metals. In metals the free electrons are medium for the electric waves and ions and atoms for the acoustic waves. Maxwell-Heaviside ether was like the dielectric. The todays ether is like rare plasma. Plasma is a conductor. S* |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 30, 6:39*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Frankly I just do not understand your response. Outside of the space-volume of the universe, there is no structure. Inside the space-volume of the universe, there is an invisible quantum structure everywhere. You live and function within that structure without being aware of it. That quantum structure may or may not contain visible matter/energy which can modify the electromagnetic characteristics of the medium, but does NOT replace the quantum structure as you appear to think. The quantum structure is the container of everything that exists. Nothing exists outside of the container (unless there are more unconnected containers somewhere else). Air, water, or earth does not displace the quantum structure but gravity can warp it, e.g. black holes. Everything that exists in our universe is contained within the invisible quantum structure which appears to consist of dark matter interacting with dark energy. It is believed that the pressure of the dark energy is overwhelming gravity and is causing the expansion of the universe. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 31, 6:50*am, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 30, 6:39*pm, Art Unwin wrote: Frankly I just do not understand your response. Outside of the space-volume of the universe, there is no structure. Inside the space-volume of the universe, there is an invisible quantum structure everywhere. You live and function within that structure without being aware of it. That quantum structure may or may not contain visible matter/energy which can modify the electromagnetic characteristics of the medium, but does NOT replace the quantum structure as you appear to think. The quantum structure is the container of everything that exists. Nothing exists outside of the container (unless there are more unconnected containers somewhere else). Air, water, or earth does not displace the quantum structure but gravity can warp it, e.g. black holes. Everything that exists in our universe is contained within the invisible quantum structure which appears to consist of dark matter interacting with dark energy. It is believed that the pressure of the dark energy is overwhelming gravity and is causing the expansion of the universe. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com Cecil as I stated before a electron can travel thru two mediums OR along the path between the two mediums. The presence of surface wave of propagation points to another medium whether it be between Earth and the atmosphere OR the atmosphere is a medium itself. It is because of this electron travel along the surface of Earth that scientists come to the conclusion that the atmosphere is a medium which they name. This is not accepted by mainstream but to be fair mainstream has not named or explained the medium that allowed for over the surface electron travel. From my point of view the "missing" medium is a carpet of free electrons that are bound in a skin as seen on surface tension on water and it is this skin or carpet upon Earth is the medium that explains the surface travel of electrons, a missing medium that satisfies both sides of the puzzle. Regards Art |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On 8/31/2010 4:50 AM, Cecil Moore wrote:
... Outside of the space-volume of the universe, there is no structure. Inside the space-volume of the universe, there is an invisible quantum structure everywhere. You live and function within that structure without being aware of it. That quantum structure may or may not contain visible matter/energy which can modify the electromagnetic characteristics of the medium, but does NOT replace the quantum structure as you appear to think. The quantum structure is the container of everything that exists. Nothing exists outside of the container (unless there are more unconnected containers somewhere else). Air, water, or earth does not displace the quantum structure but gravity can warp it, e.g. black holes. Everything that exists in our universe is contained within the invisible quantum structure which appears to consist of dark matter interacting with dark energy. It is believed that the pressure of the dark energy is overwhelming gravity and is causing the expansion of the universe. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com Beautiful, Morpheus, when he explains the Matrix, to Neo, could have done no better ... ROFLOL Regards, JS |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On 8/31/2010 6:36 AM, Art Unwin wrote:
... Cecil as I stated before a electron can travel thru two mediums OR along the path between the two mediums. The presence of surface wave of propagation points to another medium whether it be between Earth and the atmosphere OR the atmosphere is a medium itself. It is because of this electron travel along the surface of Earth that scientists come to the conclusion that the atmosphere is a medium which they name. This is not accepted by mainstream but to be fair mainstream has not named or explained the medium that allowed for over the surface electron travel. From my point of view the "missing" medium is a carpet of free electrons that are bound in a skin as seen on surface tension on water and it is this skin or carpet upon Earth is the medium that explains the surface travel of electrons, a missing medium that satisfies both sides of the puzzle. Regards Art By golly, I believe you are getting it ... except for you focus on "a surface." We have a medium to test all this with, which is quite suitable. Water; No surface is needed to produce sound within a body of water, itself, water serving as the example of "ether." A very strong, varying, magnetic field, in the audio range, can work upon the slightly magnetic atoms producing the sound. In passing, "pumps", which may someday propel vessels, can also use this effect to "pump" water though a coil and propel the vessel. Ether should be able to be manipulated in a like manner ... now, unless you show up upon my doorstep with a workable model of an "ether antenna", this all has, and will remain, of little use. However, I think you are just the man to do it, Art. wink Regards, JS |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On 8/31/2010 1:04 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
... In the "physics terms" the base medium is Dirac electrons see. The "added medium" are ions, atoms and dust. All are produced by Stars. The same mixture is in metals. In metals the free electrons are medium for the electric waves and ions and atoms for the acoustic waves. Maxwell-Heaviside ether was like the dielectric. The todays ether is like rare plasma. Plasma is a conductor. S* Just when I thought you were getting it too ... you need no dust, no matter which you can touch, to have emf produced and transverse-ing the universe(s.) See, you are still focused on that "surface." Regards, JS |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 31, 8:54*am, John Smith wrote:
On 8/31/2010 6:36 AM, Art Unwin wrote: * ... * Cecil as I stated before a electron can travel thru two mediums OR along the path between the two mediums. The presence of surface wave of propagation points to another medium whether it be between Earth and the atmosphere OR the atmosphere is a medium itself. It is because of this electron travel along the surface of Earth that scientists come to the conclusion that the atmosphere is a medium which they name. This is not accepted by mainstream but to be fair mainstream has not named or explained the medium that allowed for over the surface electron travel. *From my point of view the "missing" medium is a carpet of free electrons that are bound in a skin as seen on surface tension on water and it is this skin or carpet upon Earth is the medium that explains the surface travel of electrons, a missing medium that satisfies both sides of the puzzle. Regards Art By golly, I believe you are getting it ... except for you focus on "a surface." *We have a medium to test all this with, which is quite suitable. *Water; *No surface is needed to produce sound within a body of water, itself, water serving as the example of "ether." *A very strong, varying, magnetic field, in the audio range, can work upon the slightly magnetic atoms producing the sound. *In passing, "pumps", which may someday propel vessels, can also use this effect to "pump" water though a coil and propel the vessel. *Ether should be able to be manipulated in a like manner ... now, unless you show up upon my doorstep with a workable model of an "ether antenna", this all has, and will remain, of little use. *However, I think you are just the man to do it, Art. *wink Regards, JS John Cecils interpretation of a double helix was what is termed as the secret of life with is the combination of two vectors direct an circular or spin which generated the double helix. This can also be explained as the secret of everything in the scientific world whether it be the two vectors created by the BIG BANG or the two vectors of gravity and rotation and on to the two vectors as an electron travels between two mediums. All this was proposed centuries ago purely by observations. Think of a piece of caramel being moved outwards along its length, necking occures and bingo you have the other vector pushing in from the sides. When Newton stated every action has an equal and opposite reaction he was not thinking of a singular force or vectors but of two. The two vectors can be seen in action when caramel is being pulled. You have an equal force as a reaction to the initial pull and you also have another vector generated on the other or opposite side of the caramel that creates the necking or thinning where opposite in OLDE ENGLISH terms was a 90 degree change in direction and not one that is actually opposing the initial vector. This approach is the same as that of Einstein with the STANDARD MODEL which eventually comes down to just the combined action of the said two vectors which again supports the action of a ground wave between two mediums. Maxwell pointed to the same thing when he recognized that is law on radiation required a second vector( displacement current) which finally put the mathematical expression into the "must have" requirement of EQUILIBRIUM. Now both supporters of the AETHER and its deniers can be satisfied by labeling the particle carpet as the missing medium, which by the way was identified by Gauss with his laws on static particles. So Cecil is quite correct on his explanation of quantum soup which in itself is not a medium as required by the two vector system but by the identification of the missing medium which is the carpet layer from the Galaxy resting as a mantel upon Earth. Regards Art |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 31, 8:54*am, John Smith wrote:
On 8/31/2010 6:36 AM, Art Unwin wrote: * ... * Cecil as I stated before a electron can travel thru two mediums OR along the path between the two mediums. The presence of surface wave of propagation points to another medium whether it be between Earth and the atmosphere OR the atmosphere is a medium itself. It is because of this electron travel along the surface of Earth that scientists come to the conclusion that the atmosphere is a medium which they name. This is not accepted by mainstream but to be fair mainstream has not named or explained the medium that allowed for over the surface electron travel. *From my point of view the "missing" medium is a carpet of free electrons that are bound in a skin as seen on surface tension on water and it is this skin or carpet upon Earth is the medium that explains the surface travel of electrons, a missing medium that satisfies both sides of the puzzle. Regards Art By golly, I believe you are getting it ... except for you focus on "a surface." *We have a medium to test all this with, which is quite suitable. *Water; *No surface is needed to produce sound within a body of water, itself, water serving as the example of "ether." *A very strong, varying, magnetic field, in the audio range, can work upon the slightly magnetic atoms producing the sound. *In passing, "pumps", which may someday propel vessels, can also use this effect to "pump" water though a coil and propel the vessel. *Ether should be able to be manipulated in a like manner ... now, unless you show up upon my doorstep with a workable model of an "ether antenna", this all has, and will remain, of little use. *However, I think you are just the man to do it, Art. *wink Regards, JS John We now come down to the question as to whether the two vector explanation is of any use by applying it to antennas. Let me come back to the double helix or the "genome" of life Science views a coil as a load with respect to antennas or a dummy load again with respect to radiators. We all know that a coil can be made where it is totally resistive and completly absent of reactive forces because with the about turn of direction of current flow stops the formation of both capacitive and inductive vectors. When the current flows thru the coil tradition points to science as seeing this as the metallic resistance of say aluminum. This is false in that the resistance seen is the resistance to the skin depth anomally created by the foot hold of a external magnetic field. In this case there cannot be an external magnetic field ie no reactances and therefore no skin resistance. Now it is this resistance that was keeping current flow from rising to the SURFACE of the radiator such that the radiator is not now the path that the current takes which is now BETWEEN the two mediums such that its two vectors direct current and displacement current can devote itself to purely producing radiation by ejection of particles with spin. So in other words the external magnetic field by creating skin depth is the worst enemy of radiation which is the creation of a wastefull friction component. Removing that magnetic field is the same as what superconductors do except in radiation current flow by passes the subject mass regardess of its resident friction where as a superconductor actually reduces the mass friction instead of by passing it. When applying this to computor program the radiation patter evolves into two separate patterns merged into one wher the axis reflects the two vectors of gravity and rotation. As a side note the radiatin member is never totally devoid of resistance ans it now takes on a vibratory action from the levitating vector on its surface, so ohms law stays intact by virtue of the change over to pendulum mathermatics Regards Art Unwin.....KB9MZ....xg |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Aug 31, 10:03*am, Art Unwin wrote:
On Aug 31, 8:54*am, John Smith wrote: On 8/31/2010 6:36 AM, Art Unwin wrote: * ... * Cecil as I stated before a electron can travel thru two mediums OR along the path between the two mediums. The presence of surface wave of propagation points to another medium whether it be between Earth and the atmosphere OR the atmosphere is a medium itself.. It is because of this electron travel along the surface of Earth that scientists come to the conclusion that the atmosphere is a medium which they name. This is not accepted by mainstream but to be fair mainstream has not named or explained the medium that allowed for over the surface electron travel. *From my point of view the "missing" medium is a carpet of free electrons that are bound in a skin as seen on surface tension on water and it is this skin or carpet upon Earth is the medium that explains the surface travel of electrons, a missing medium that satisfies both sides of the puzzle. Regards Art By golly, I believe you are getting it ... except for you focus on "a surface." *We have a medium to test all this with, which is quite suitable. *Water; *No surface is needed to produce sound within a body of water, itself, water serving as the example of "ether." *A very strong, varying, magnetic field, in the audio range, can work upon the slightly magnetic atoms producing the sound. *In passing, "pumps", which may someday propel vessels, can also use this effect to "pump" water though a coil and propel the vessel. *Ether should be able to be manipulated in a like manner ... now, unless you show up upon my doorstep with a workable model of an "ether antenna", this all has, and will remain, of little use. *However, I think you are just the man to do it, Art. *wink Regards, JS John We now come down to the question as to whether the two vector explanation is of any use by applying it to antennas. Let me come back to the double helix or the "genome" of life Science views a coil as a load with respect to antennas or a dummy load again with respect to radiators. We all know that a coil can be made where it is totally resistive and completly absent of reactive forces because with the about turn of direction of current flow stops the formation of both capacitive and inductive vectors. When the current flows thru the coil tradition points to science as seeing this as the metallic resistance of say aluminum. This is false in that the resistance seen is the resistance to the skin depth anomally created by the foot hold of a external magnetic field. In this case there cannot be an external magnetic field ie no reactances and therefore no skin resistance. Now it is this resistance that was keeping current flow from rising to the SURFACE of the radiator such that the radiator is not now the path that the current takes which is now BETWEEN the two mediums such that its two vectors direct current and displacement current can devote itself to purely producing radiation by ejection of particles with spin. So in other words the external magnetic field by creating skin depth is the worst enemy of radiation which is the creation of a wastefull friction component. Removing that magnetic field is the same as what superconductors do except in radiation current flow by passes the subject mass regardess of its resident friction where as a superconductor actually reduces the mass friction instead of by passing it. When applying this to computor program the radiation patter evolves into two separate patterns merged into one wher the axis reflects the two vectors of gravity and rotation. As a side note the radiatin member is never totally devoid of resistance ans it now takes on a vibratory action from the levitating vector on its surface, so ohms law stays intact by virtue of the change over to pendulum mathermatics Regards Art Unwin.....KB9MZ....xg So John we now get to the final portion that closes the loop with respect to radiation. The method of winding the coil is similar to a solenoid without the central plunger. Around a solenoid is a shield to retain the external magnetic field. This very arrangement is exactly that of a Faraday shield but with two openings top and bottom and the Faraday shield has the unique property of separating electric,magnetic and time varying current into separate parts such that it is in effect both a transmitter and receiver where as lternating current can be used to form a tank circuit or alternatively separate the time varying current back to drive a receiver. So the same as what is required for a Faraday shield is also required for a radiater which is a bleed line between the outside of the shield to ground to remove static from the system. If one puts the solenoid or Faraday shield over a reflsector then we have two patterns each on a separate axis but superimposed upon each other where the center plume relates to gravity. The above in no way violates existing laws for electrical components and in fact support those in existence made by the Masters. All the above enfolded by reviewing existing laws and expanding thbe Gaussian static laws into dynamic form as the leader in the resulting trail. Remember a vertical antenna must be tipped with respect to Earth to reflect two vectors so it attains equilibrium. Regards Art Unwin KB9MZ.....xg then one has a directional antenna which has two |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On 8/31/2010 7:29 AM, Art Unwin wrote:
John ... Cecils interpretation of a double helix was what is termed as the secret of life with is the combination ... Regards Art Yes, it was a nice description ... Uh, huh, so that is what "... created man in Gods' image ..." means, the double helix! I'll be looking for one descending from Heaven soon! Keep up the good work, stiff lip and all that, regards, JS |
Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On 8/31/2010 8:03 AM, Art Unwin wrote:
... Regards Art Unwin.....KB9MZ....xg Art, You waste your words on me. I will only cop to a few things: 1) I believe the ether is real and it exists about us, in us, everywhere. 2) All our "real matter" was ripped from the ether and is just ether existing in an altered state, "this all" is not "normal." 3) Although we can't "see" the ether (yet), we can make guesses from its' apparent properties. One important one, it is a superconductor. EMF can, apparently, transverse it forever with no "loss" (some will mention a "red shift", or "slowing", here.) 4) "Discovering" it will boost our economy, flood our markets with uncountable new devices exploiting its' properties and raise mans' scientific knowledge to unfathomable heights ... Beyond that? Who knows ... I think, at this time, your ramblings are just as valid as any I could make, about it, the ether ... since yours sounds so "crazy", I hesitate to go into such depths ... sorry ... remember, "fools" (well, Einstein did) run where brave men fear to go ... The "double helix", as it involves antennas, is only a trick to me. And, use to coax certain actions/behaviors from an antenna. It is physical in existence and can affect antenna fields and other properties .... it is no more profound or magical than a gamma match, capacitive hat, etc., sorry ... at this point, this is all I want to know. Regards, JS |
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