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Ian[_5_] July 28th 12 08:32 PM

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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AC is in oscillating circuit (closed circuit). RF current is in an antenna
(open circuit).
S*


Oh dear. Szczepan must realise that what he's written is nonsense. He's
deliberately writing it to have a laugh, isn't he (and that's a statement,
not a question). I think he's gone a bit far with at one.

Regards, Ian



[email protected] July 28th 12 10:47 PM

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:


"Electric currents that oscillate at radio frequencies have special
properties not shared by direct current or alternating current of lower
frequencies. The energy in an RF current can radiate off a conductor into
space as electromagnetic waves (radio waves); this is the basis of radio
technology."


Wrong, AC at ANY frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as
electromagnetic waves.


AC is in oscillating circuit (closed circuit). RF current is in an antenna
(open circuit).
S*


Wrong again, moron.

AC means Alternating Current as opposed to DC or Direct Current.

RF means Radio Frequency and is generally used to the AC that is being
received by a receiver or transmitted by a transmitter.

None of these terms has anything to do with open or closed circuits.

You are an ignorant, babbling, ineducable idiot who knows absolutely
NOTHING about how anything works.




W5DXP July 29th 12 06:59 AM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 
On Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:15:21 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
AC is in oscillating circuit (closed circuit). RF current is in an antenna (open circuit).


RF *IS* AC.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

W5DXP July 29th 12 04:02 PM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 
On Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:59:42 AM UTC-5, W5DXP wrote:
RF *IS* AC.


As a matter of fact, if one builds a 1/2WL dipole for 60 Hz (~1553 miles long), it will obey the same laws of physics that a 1/2WL dipole at 60 MHz does.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

NM5K[_4_] July 29th 12 04:20 PM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 
On 7/29/2012 10:02 AM, W5DXP wrote:
On Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:59:42 AM UTC-5, W5DXP wrote:
RF *IS* AC.


As a matter of fact, if one builds a 1/2WL dipole for 60 Hz (~1553 miles long), it will obey the same laws of physics that a 1/2WL dipole at 60 MHz does.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com


Hummmm.. Looks like the end of one my antenna legs is drooping..
I better book a Southwest flight so I can go check it out... :|




Szczepan Bialek July 29th 12 06:08 PM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 

"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:15:21 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
AC is in oscillating circuit (closed circuit). RF current is in an
antenna (open circuit).


RF *IS* AC.


Yes. But RF CURRENT is: " "Electric currents that oscillate at radio
frequencies have special
properties not shared by direct current or alternating current of lower
frequencies. The energy in an RF current can radiate off a conductor into
space as electromagnetic waves (radio waves); this is the basis of radio
technology."


Now are also ULF transmitters (30Hz). So the above is not precise.
What decide that "an RF current can radiate off a conductor into space"?
S*



[email protected] July 29th 12 07:02 PM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:15:21 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
AC is in oscillating circuit (closed circuit). RF current is in an
antenna (open circuit).


RF *IS* AC.


Yes. But RF CURRENT is: " "Electric currents that oscillate at radio
frequencies have special
properties not shared by direct current or alternating current of lower
frequencies. The energy in an RF current can radiate off a conductor into
space as electromagnetic waves (radio waves); this is the basis of radio
technology."


Where ever you got this piece of trash quote, it is wrong just like all
your ancient quotes from over a hundred years ago.

AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as
electromagnetic waves.

Now are also ULF transmitters (30Hz). So the above is not precise.
What decide that "an RF current can radiate off a conductor into space"?


That the AC is applied to an appropriate antenna.

That is the purpose of an antenna, to convert AC into electromagnetic waves.

For the third time, AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into
space as electromagnetic waves.

There is no minimum frequency.



Szczepan Bialek July 30th 12 08:36 AM

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napisał w wiadomości
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:


AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as
electromagnetic waves.


The condenser also radiate?
http://educypedia.karadimov.info/lib...entstehung.gif


Now are also ULF transmitters (30Hz). So the above is not precise.
What decide that "an RF current can radiate off a conductor into space"?


That the AC is applied to an appropriate antenna.


What the appropriate antenna looks like?

That is the purpose of an antenna, to convert AC into electromagnetic
waves.

For the third time, AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into
space as electromagnetic waves.

There is no minimum frequency.


Is an antenna the open circuit?
S*



Ian[_5_] July 30th 12 10:23 AM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 
"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as
electromagnetic waves.


The condenser also radiate?
http://educypedia.karadimov.info/lib...entstehung.gif

Now are also ULF transmitters (30Hz). So the above is not precise.
What decide that "an RF current can radiate off a conductor into
space"?


That the AC is applied to an appropriate antenna.


What the appropriate antenna looks like?
That is the purpose of an antenna, to convert AC into electromagnetic
waves.

For the third time, AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into
space as electromagnetic waves. There is no minimum frequency.


Is an antenna the open circuit?
S*


Hello Szczepan.
" The condenser also radiate? "
Try asking on sci.physics.electromag. If the diagram is trying to equate a
capacitor to an antenna then I'd not agree with that at all.
" What the appropriate antenna looks like?"
It would be an antenna that matches to the transmitter. You wouldn't use an
antenna that is a mismatch as this would defeat the purpose of the antenna.
" Is an antenna the open circuit?"
From my viewpoint it is not. "Open circuit" = "no current" and we know that
antennas carry a current.

Several postings have recommended that you acquire a textbook. I have a
suspicion that you already have one ....

Regards, Ian.





Szczepan Bialek July 30th 12 05:39 PM

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"Ian" napisał w wiadomości
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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...


AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as
electromagnetic waves.


The condenser also radiate?
http://educypedia.karadimov.info/lib...entstehung.gif

Now are also ULF transmitters (30Hz). So the above is not precise.
What decide that "an RF current can radiate off a conductor into
space"?

That the AC is applied to an appropriate antenna.


What the appropriate antenna looks like?
That is the purpose of an antenna, to convert AC into electromagnetic
waves.

For the third time, AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into
space as electromagnetic waves. There is no minimum frequency.


Is an antenna the open circuit?
S*


Hello Szczepan.
" The condenser also radiate? "
Try asking on sci.physics.electromag. If the diagram is trying to equate a
capacitor to an antenna then I'd not agree with that at all.


It is known from Hertz experiment. He used plates or balls.
Of course the plates are as on the diagram.

" What the appropriate antenna looks like?"
It would be an antenna that matches to the transmitter. You wouldn't use
an
antenna that is a mismatch as this would defeat the purpose of the
antenna.
" Is an antenna the open circuit?"
From my viewpoint it is not. "Open circuit" = "no current" and we know
that
antennas carry a current.


"Well, the antenna end, we have an Open Circuit - so the point with the
Highest Voltage"
From: http://www.telecomhall.com/what-is-antenna.aspx
S*




Ian[_5_] July 30th 12 06:16 PM

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...
| |
| It is known from Hertz experiment. He used plates or balls.
| Of course the plates are as on the diagram.
| | S*
|
What frequency did Hertz use?
Regards, Ian.



[email protected] July 30th 12 06:21 PM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:


AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as
electromagnetic waves.


The condenser also radiate?
http://educypedia.karadimov.info/lib...entstehung.gif


No.

This depicts electorstatic fields; antennas radiate electromagnetic
fields, so your question makes no sense.

Now are also ULF transmitters (30Hz). So the above is not precise.
What decide that "an RF current can radiate off a conductor into space"?


That the AC is applied to an appropriate antenna.


What the appropriate antenna looks like?


It makes no difference what the antenna looks like as the only property
that matters is its ability to convert AC electrical energy at the input
frequency to electromagnetic radiation.

That is the purpose of an antenna, to convert AC into electromagnetic
waves.

For the third time, AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into
space as electromagnetic waves.

There is no minimum frequency.


Is an antenna the open circuit?


No.

An antenna is a device that converts the AC electrical energy at its
teminals into electromagnetic energy which radiates from the antenna
and also coverts the electromagnetic energy which antenna intercepts
into AC electrical energy at it's terminals.

Do you wear slip on shoes?





Szczepan Bialek July 30th 12 07:44 PM

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napisał w wiadomości
...

An antenna is a device that converts the AC electrical energy at its
teminals into electromagnetic energy which radiates from the antenna
and also coverts the electromagnetic energy which antenna intercepts
into AC electrical energy at it's terminals.


Radiates = jumps off?
S*




Rob[_8_] July 30th 12 07:57 PM

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

napisaÂł w wiadomoÂści
...

An antenna is a device that converts the AC electrical energy at its
teminals into electromagnetic energy which radiates from the antenna
and also coverts the electromagnetic energy which antenna intercepts
into AC electrical energy at it's terminals.


Radiates = jumps off?
S*


Only in Poland.

[email protected] July 30th 12 08:32 PM

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...

An antenna is a device that converts the AC electrical energy at its
teminals into electromagnetic energy which radiates from the antenna
and also coverts the electromagnetic energy which antenna intercepts
into AC electrical energy at it's terminals.


Radiates = jumps off?


No, to issue or emerge in rays or waves.

Do you wear slip on shoes?




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W5DXP July 31st 12 02:30 PM

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On Monday, July 30, 2012 1:44:55 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Radiates = jumps off?


You already know the answer. Radiates = photons emitted from the free electrons on the surface of the conductors of the antenna system.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Szczepan Bialek July 31st 12 04:38 PM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 

"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Monday, July 30, 2012 1:44:55 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Radiates = jumps off?


You already know the answer. Radiates = photons emitted from the free
electrons on the surface of the conductors of the antenna system.


Rather solitons.
Photons are the damped waves.
CW consist of the solitons.
Each portion of electrons which jump off from the end of an antenna travel
as the soliton.
S*



Ian[_5_] July 31st 12 04:56 PM

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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|
|| On Monday, July 30, 2012 1:44:55 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
| Radiates = jumps off?
| Each portion of electrons which jump off from the end of an antenna travel
| as the soliton.
| S*

Imagine the scene - a tall building, spectators on the pavement around it
and, at the top of the building, an electron is threatening to jump!!
Would we shout "jump" or would we shout "don't do it"?
Anthropomorphism is wonderful, isn't it.

73, Ian.



[email protected] July 31st 12 06:19 PM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Monday, July 30, 2012 1:44:55 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Radiates = jumps off?


You already know the answer. Radiates = photons emitted from the free
electrons on the surface of the conductors of the antenna system.


Rather solitons.


No.

Photons are the damped waves.


No.

CW consist of the solitons.


No.

Each portion of electrons which jump off from the end of an antenna travel
as the soliton.


No.

Everything totally wrong.

Do you wear slip on shoes?




W5DXP July 31st 12 06:47 PM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 
On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:38:31 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Rather solitons.
Photons are the damped waves.


How do you explain their quantized, i.e. quantum particle nature?

Szczepan Bialek August 1st 12 07:26 AM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 

"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:38:31 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Rather solitons.
Photons are the damped waves.


How do you explain their quantized, i.e. quantum particle nature?


Each portion is a quant. Only for children the light consists of particles.

CW means continuous waves. Damped waves consists of portions.
S*



W5DXP August 1st 12 02:42 PM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 
On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 1:26:56 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Each portion is a quant.


Unfortunately for your argument, the fact that fields/waves are quantized proves that they are particles, even though they are a somewhat special kind of particle and capable of field/wave behavior. Hint: if you set up an experiment to look for a quantized photon particle, you will detect a quantized photon particle the energy of which is related by frequency to Planck's equation.

http://employees.oneonta.edu/viningw...quation_s.html

FYI, even one single Bucky-ball, known to consist of nothing but a large number of carbon atoms, is capable of wave behavior. How do you explain that one?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Szczepan Bialek August 1st 12 05:09 PM

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"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 1:26:56 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Each portion is a quant.


Unfortunately for your argument, the fact that fields/waves are quantized
proves that they are particles, even though they are a somewhat special
kind of particle and capable of field/wave behavior. Hint: if you set up an
experiment to look for a quantized photon particle, you will detect a
quantized photon particle the energy of which is related by frequency to
Planck's equation.


http://employees.oneonta.edu/viningw...quation_s.html

FYI, even one single Bucky-ball, known to consist of nothing but a large
number of carbon atoms, is capable of wave behavior. How do you explain
that one?


Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that
electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna.
For what you need the new hiphothesis?
S*



Ian[_5_] August 1st 12 05:17 PM

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...
| |
| Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that
| electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna.
| For what you need the new hiphothesis?
| S*

Hello Szczepan. Are you now a radio amateur?
How about this for a holiday for you - https://www.emfcamp.org/ ?

Regards, Ian.



Rob[_8_] August 1st 12 05:18 PM

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that
electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna.


And determine that it is zero...

For what you need the new hiphothesis?


I think it is you that keeps coming up with nonconforming ideas about
how antennas operate. So we'll call your hypothesis "new" even though
you dig it out of 150 year old documents.

[email protected] August 1st 12 05:23 PM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that
electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna.
For what you need the new hiphothesis?


Wrong; all radio amateurs are able to show that there are NO electrons
jumping off the ends of the antennas.

Do you wear slip on shoes?


Ian[_5_] August 1st 12 05:24 PM

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"Rob" wrote in message
...
| Szczepan Bialek wrote:
| Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that
| electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna.
|
| And determine that it is zero...
|
| For what you need the new hiphothesis?
|
| I think it is you that keeps coming up with nonconforming ideas about
| how antennas operate. So we'll call your hypothesis "new" even though
| you dig it out of 150 year old documents.

Hello Rob.

As others have said, and a search confirms, Szczepan has been posting some
of his ideas for a year or more. Seems unable to read, understand and learn
whereas most children with a textbook are capable of reading, understanding
and learning.
I think I have worked with only one person who refused to learn new ideas
and techniques. His work involved using a new computer. I showed him how
to use it and then let him try to get on with the job. Eventually he did
become willing to have a go. He now seems progressive in comparison with
Szczepan.

73, Ian.




Szczepan Bialek August 1st 12 05:33 PM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 

"Rob" napisał w wiadomości
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that
electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna.


And determine that it is zero...

For what you need the new hiphothesis?


I think it is you that keeps coming up with nonconforming ideas about
how antennas operate. So we'll call your hypothesis "new" even though
you dig it out of 150 year old documents.


All time the ideas are the same and are confirmed:

"It is found that an electron which seems to us to be moving
slowly, must actually have a very high frequency oscillatory motion of small
amplitude superposed on the regular motion which appears to us. As a result
of this oscillatory motion, the velocity of the electron at any time equals
the velocity of light." From:
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_priz...ac-lecture.pdf
S*



[email protected] August 1st 12 06:10 PM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Rob" napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that
electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna.


And determine that it is zero...

For what you need the new hiphothesis?


I think it is you that keeps coming up with nonconforming ideas about
how antennas operate. So we'll call your hypothesis "new" even though
you dig it out of 150 year old documents.


All time the ideas are the same and are confirmed:


No, you are the only one in the world that currently believes electrons
jump off the end of an antenna.

"It is found that an electron which seems to us to be moving
slowly, must actually have a very high frequency oscillatory motion of small
amplitude superposed on the regular motion which appears to us. As a result
of this oscillatory motion, the velocity of the electron at any time equals
the velocity of light." From:
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_priz...ac-lecture.pdf


It was later shown and proved that it is impossible for an electron to
move at the speed of light under any conditions.

That's what you get when you only read ancient literature.

Do you wear slip on shoes?




W5DXP August 1st 12 07:11 PM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 
On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 11:09:46 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that
electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna.


Electrons that "jump off" a transmitting antenna are known to be non-coherent. Such is called "corona", an undesirable effect for antennas. The coherent particles that can be measured being emitted from an antenna are photons and that's NOT a new hypothesis. It's close to being a century old. Einstein was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1921 for discovering the nature of the photoelectric effect of photons.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

tom August 2nd 12 03:30 AM

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On 8/1/2012 11:24 AM, Ian wrote:
wrote in message
...
| Szczepan wrote:
| Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that
| electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna.
|
| And determine that it is zero...
|
| For what you need the new hiphothesis?
|
| I think it is you that keeps coming up with nonconforming ideas about
| how antennas operate. So we'll call your hypothesis "new" even though
| you dig it out of 150 year old documents.

Hello Rob.

As others have said, and a search confirms, Szczepan has been posting some
of his ideas for a year or more. Seems unable to read, understand and learn
whereas most children with a textbook are capable of reading, understanding
and learning.
I think I have worked with only one person who refused to learn new ideas
and techniques. His work involved using a new computer. I showed him how
to use it and then let him try to get on with the job. Eventually he did
become willing to have a go. He now seems progressive in comparison with
Szczepan.

73, Ian.




He is a TROLL.

Please quit feeding him.

tom
K0TAR

Szczepan Bialek August 2nd 12 08:59 AM

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"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 11:09:46 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that

electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna.


Electrons that "jump off" a transmitting antenna are known to be
non-coherent. Such is called "corona", an undesirable effect for antennas.
The coherent particles that can be measured being emitted from an antenna
are photons and that's NOT a new hypothesis. It's close to being a century
old. Einstein was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1921 for discovering the
nature of the photoelectric effect of photons.


"Later, in 1905 Albert Einstein went further by suggesting that
electromagnetic waves could only exist in these discrete wave-packets.[5] He
called such a wave-packet the light quantum (German: das Lichtquant). "

"As shown by Albert Einstein,[5][38] some form of energy quantization must
be assumed to account for the thermal equilibrium observed between matter
and electromagnetic radiation; for this explanation of the photoelectric
effect, Einstein received the 1921 Nobel Prize in physics.[39]"

"Hence, Einstein's hypothesis that quantization is a property of light
itself is considered to be proven."

Natural light is emitted from many oscillators in discrete wave-packets.
Hertz made the one oscillator which radiate the discrete wave-packets. The
Hertz waves are exactly as the light.
But the CW are emitted continuously.
Who was awarded the Nobel Prize for discovering any portions in CW?
S*



W5DXP August 2nd 12 05:27 PM

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On Thursday, August 2, 2012 2:59:40 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Natural light is emitted from many oscillators in discrete wave-packets.
Hertz waves are exactly as the light.


Thanks for proving yourself wrong.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

[email protected] August 2nd 12 06:29 PM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 11:09:46 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that

electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna.


Electrons that "jump off" a transmitting antenna are known to be
non-coherent. Such is called "corona", an undesirable effect for antennas.
The coherent particles that can be measured being emitted from an antenna
are photons and that's NOT a new hypothesis. It's close to being a century
old. Einstein was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1921 for discovering the
nature of the photoelectric effect of photons.


"Later, in 1905 Albert Einstein went further by suggesting that
electromagnetic waves could only exist in these discrete wave-packets.[5] He
called such a wave-packet the light quantum (German: das Lichtquant). "

"As shown by Albert Einstein,[5][38] some form of energy quantization must
be assumed to account for the thermal equilibrium observed between matter
and electromagnetic radiation; for this explanation of the photoelectric
effect, Einstein received the 1921 Nobel Prize in physics.[39]"

"Hence, Einstein's hypothesis that quantization is a property of light
itself is considered to be proven."


And that light quantum is known today as the photon to everyone but you.

Natural light is emitted from many oscillators in discrete wave-packets.
Hertz made the one oscillator which radiate the discrete wave-packets. The
Hertz waves are exactly as the light.
But the CW are emitted continuously.
Who was awarded the Nobel Prize for discovering any portions in CW?


All a bunch of gibberish nonsense; all electromagnetic radiation is photons.

Do you wear slip on shoes?




Szczepan Bialek August 2nd 12 06:37 PM

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"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Thursday, August 2, 2012 2:59:40 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Natural light is emitted from many oscillators in discrete wave-packets.
Hertz waves are exactly as the light.


Thanks for proving yourself wrong.


Are the radio waves emitted from the Hertz apparatus and the light from the
Sun different?
S*



[email protected] August 2nd 12 06:47 PM

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Thursday, August 2, 2012 2:59:40 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Natural light is emitted from many oscillators in discrete wave-packets.
Hertz waves are exactly as the light.


Thanks for proving yourself wrong.


Are the radio waves emitted from the Hertz apparatus and the light from the
Sun different?


In frequency, yes, in composition, no.

Do you wear slip on shoes?



Ian[_5_] August 2nd 12 06:55 PM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 
"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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Good evening Szczepan .
Why do you ask? Why do you want to know? We know you will only disagree with
our answers.

Regards, Ian.



W5DXP August 2nd 12 11:16 PM

UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
 
On Thursday, August 2, 2012 12:37:11 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Are the radio waves emitted from the Hertz apparatus and the light from the
Sun different?


There is much more energy in one visible light photon than in one RF photon.. The fact that photon energy varies directly with frequency blows your "jumping electron" theory right out of the water, i.e. recognized as a scientific myth by all rational technical people since long before any of us were born. "Electrons jumping off an antenna" is akin to the theory of a flat earth at the center of the universe. Do you still believe that one?:)

If and when an electron leaves an antenna, it ceases to be exposed to the RF energy that is causing it to vibrate and *becomes like any other electron floating in space* - devoid of frequency and oscillations - incapable of propagating a coherent RF wave. Photons have no such limitations.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com


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