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UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
... AC is in oscillating circuit (closed circuit). RF current is in an antenna (open circuit). S* Oh dear. Szczepan must realise that what he's written is nonsense. He's deliberately writing it to have a laugh, isn't he (and that's a statement, not a question). I think he's gone a bit far with at one. Regards, Ian |
UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisa? w wiadomo?ci ... Szczepan Bialek wrote: "Electric currents that oscillate at radio frequencies have special properties not shared by direct current or alternating current of lower frequencies. The energy in an RF current can radiate off a conductor into space as electromagnetic waves (radio waves); this is the basis of radio technology." Wrong, AC at ANY frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as electromagnetic waves. AC is in oscillating circuit (closed circuit). RF current is in an antenna (open circuit). S* Wrong again, moron. AC means Alternating Current as opposed to DC or Direct Current. RF means Radio Frequency and is generally used to the AC that is being received by a receiver or transmitted by a transmitter. None of these terms has anything to do with open or closed circuits. You are an ignorant, babbling, ineducable idiot who knows absolutely NOTHING about how anything works. |
UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
On Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:15:21 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
AC is in oscillating circuit (closed circuit). RF current is in an antenna (open circuit). RF *IS* AC. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com |
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On Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:59:42 AM UTC-5, W5DXP wrote:
RF *IS* AC. As a matter of fact, if one builds a 1/2WL dipole for 60 Hz (~1553 miles long), it will obey the same laws of physics that a 1/2WL dipole at 60 MHz does. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com |
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On 7/29/2012 10:02 AM, W5DXP wrote:
On Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:59:42 AM UTC-5, W5DXP wrote: RF *IS* AC. As a matter of fact, if one builds a 1/2WL dipole for 60 Hz (~1553 miles long), it will obey the same laws of physics that a 1/2WL dipole at 60 MHz does. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com Hummmm.. Looks like the end of one my antenna legs is drooping.. I better book a Southwest flight so I can go check it out... :| |
UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci ... On Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:15:21 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote: AC is in oscillating circuit (closed circuit). RF current is in an antenna (open circuit). RF *IS* AC. Yes. But RF CURRENT is: " "Electric currents that oscillate at radio frequencies have special properties not shared by direct current or alternating current of lower frequencies. The energy in an RF current can radiate off a conductor into space as electromagnetic waves (radio waves); this is the basis of radio technology." Now are also ULF transmitters (30Hz). So the above is not precise. What decide that "an RF current can radiate off a conductor into space"? S* |
UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci ... On Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:15:21 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote: AC is in oscillating circuit (closed circuit). RF current is in an antenna (open circuit). RF *IS* AC. Yes. But RF CURRENT is: " "Electric currents that oscillate at radio frequencies have special properties not shared by direct current or alternating current of lower frequencies. The energy in an RF current can radiate off a conductor into space as electromagnetic waves (radio waves); this is the basis of radio technology." Where ever you got this piece of trash quote, it is wrong just like all your ancient quotes from over a hundred years ago. AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as electromagnetic waves. Now are also ULF transmitters (30Hz). So the above is not precise. What decide that "an RF current can radiate off a conductor into space"? That the AC is applied to an appropriate antenna. That is the purpose of an antenna, to convert AC into electromagnetic waves. For the third time, AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as electromagnetic waves. There is no minimum frequency. |
UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
napisał w wiadomości ... Szczepan Bialek wrote: AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as electromagnetic waves. The condenser also radiate? http://educypedia.karadimov.info/lib...entstehung.gif Now are also ULF transmitters (30Hz). So the above is not precise. What decide that "an RF current can radiate off a conductor into space"? That the AC is applied to an appropriate antenna. What the appropriate antenna looks like? That is the purpose of an antenna, to convert AC into electromagnetic waves. For the third time, AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as electromagnetic waves. There is no minimum frequency. Is an antenna the open circuit? S* |
UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
... AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as electromagnetic waves. The condenser also radiate? http://educypedia.karadimov.info/lib...entstehung.gif Now are also ULF transmitters (30Hz). So the above is not precise. What decide that "an RF current can radiate off a conductor into space"? That the AC is applied to an appropriate antenna. What the appropriate antenna looks like? That is the purpose of an antenna, to convert AC into electromagnetic waves. For the third time, AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as electromagnetic waves. There is no minimum frequency. Is an antenna the open circuit? S* Hello Szczepan. " The condenser also radiate? " Try asking on sci.physics.electromag. If the diagram is trying to equate a capacitor to an antenna then I'd not agree with that at all. " What the appropriate antenna looks like?" It would be an antenna that matches to the transmitter. You wouldn't use an antenna that is a mismatch as this would defeat the purpose of the antenna. " Is an antenna the open circuit?" From my viewpoint it is not. "Open circuit" = "no current" and we know that antennas carry a current. Several postings have recommended that you acquire a textbook. I have a suspicion that you already have one .... Regards, Ian. |
UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
"Ian" napisał w wiadomości ... "Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message ... AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as electromagnetic waves. The condenser also radiate? http://educypedia.karadimov.info/lib...entstehung.gif Now are also ULF transmitters (30Hz). So the above is not precise. What decide that "an RF current can radiate off a conductor into space"? That the AC is applied to an appropriate antenna. What the appropriate antenna looks like? That is the purpose of an antenna, to convert AC into electromagnetic waves. For the third time, AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as electromagnetic waves. There is no minimum frequency. Is an antenna the open circuit? S* Hello Szczepan. " The condenser also radiate? " Try asking on sci.physics.electromag. If the diagram is trying to equate a capacitor to an antenna then I'd not agree with that at all. It is known from Hertz experiment. He used plates or balls. Of course the plates are as on the diagram. " What the appropriate antenna looks like?" It would be an antenna that matches to the transmitter. You wouldn't use an antenna that is a mismatch as this would defeat the purpose of the antenna. " Is an antenna the open circuit?" From my viewpoint it is not. "Open circuit" = "no current" and we know that antennas carry a current. "Well, the antenna end, we have an Open Circuit - so the point with the Highest Voltage" From: http://www.telecomhall.com/what-is-antenna.aspx S* |
UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
... | | | It is known from Hertz experiment. He used plates or balls. | Of course the plates are as on the diagram. | | S* | What frequency did Hertz use? Regards, Ian. |
UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisa? w wiadomo?ci ... Szczepan Bialek wrote: AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as electromagnetic waves. The condenser also radiate? http://educypedia.karadimov.info/lib...entstehung.gif No. This depicts electorstatic fields; antennas radiate electromagnetic fields, so your question makes no sense. Now are also ULF transmitters (30Hz). So the above is not precise. What decide that "an RF current can radiate off a conductor into space"? That the AC is applied to an appropriate antenna. What the appropriate antenna looks like? It makes no difference what the antenna looks like as the only property that matters is its ability to convert AC electrical energy at the input frequency to electromagnetic radiation. That is the purpose of an antenna, to convert AC into electromagnetic waves. For the third time, AC of any frequency can radiate off a conductor into space as electromagnetic waves. There is no minimum frequency. Is an antenna the open circuit? No. An antenna is a device that converts the AC electrical energy at its teminals into electromagnetic energy which radiates from the antenna and also coverts the electromagnetic energy which antenna intercepts into AC electrical energy at it's terminals. Do you wear slip on shoes? |
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napisał w wiadomości ... An antenna is a device that converts the AC electrical energy at its teminals into electromagnetic energy which radiates from the antenna and also coverts the electromagnetic energy which antenna intercepts into AC electrical energy at it's terminals. Radiates = jumps off? S* |
UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisaÂł w wiadomoÂści ... An antenna is a device that converts the AC electrical energy at its teminals into electromagnetic energy which radiates from the antenna and also coverts the electromagnetic energy which antenna intercepts into AC electrical energy at it's terminals. Radiates = jumps off? S* Only in Poland. |
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisa? w wiadomo?ci ... An antenna is a device that converts the AC electrical energy at its teminals into electromagnetic energy which radiates from the antenna and also coverts the electromagnetic energy which antenna intercepts into AC electrical energy at it's terminals. Radiates = jumps off? No, to issue or emerge in rays or waves. Do you wear slip on shoes? |
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On Monday, July 30, 2012 1:44:55 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Radiates = jumps off? You already know the answer. Radiates = photons emitted from the free electrons on the surface of the conductors of the antenna system. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com |
UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci ... On Monday, July 30, 2012 1:44:55 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote: Radiates = jumps off? You already know the answer. Radiates = photons emitted from the free electrons on the surface of the conductors of the antenna system. Rather solitons. Photons are the damped waves. CW consist of the solitons. Each portion of electrons which jump off from the end of an antenna travel as the soliton. S* |
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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
... | || On Monday, July 30, 2012 1:44:55 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote: | Radiates = jumps off? | Each portion of electrons which jump off from the end of an antenna travel | as the soliton. | S* Imagine the scene - a tall building, spectators on the pavement around it and, at the top of the building, an electron is threatening to jump!! Would we shout "jump" or would we shout "don't do it"? Anthropomorphism is wonderful, isn't it. 73, Ian. |
UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci ... On Monday, July 30, 2012 1:44:55 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote: Radiates = jumps off? You already know the answer. Radiates = photons emitted from the free electrons on the surface of the conductors of the antenna system. Rather solitons. No. Photons are the damped waves. No. CW consist of the solitons. No. Each portion of electrons which jump off from the end of an antenna travel as the soliton. No. Everything totally wrong. Do you wear slip on shoes? |
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On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:38:31 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Rather solitons. Photons are the damped waves. How do you explain their quantized, i.e. quantum particle nature? |
UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci ... On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:38:31 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote: Rather solitons. Photons are the damped waves. How do you explain their quantized, i.e. quantum particle nature? Each portion is a quant. Only for children the light consists of particles. CW means continuous waves. Damped waves consists of portions. S* |
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On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 1:26:56 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Each portion is a quant. Unfortunately for your argument, the fact that fields/waves are quantized proves that they are particles, even though they are a somewhat special kind of particle and capable of field/wave behavior. Hint: if you set up an experiment to look for a quantized photon particle, you will detect a quantized photon particle the energy of which is related by frequency to Planck's equation. http://employees.oneonta.edu/viningw...quation_s.html FYI, even one single Bucky-ball, known to consist of nothing but a large number of carbon atoms, is capable of wave behavior. How do you explain that one? -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com |
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"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci ... On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 1:26:56 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote: Each portion is a quant. Unfortunately for your argument, the fact that fields/waves are quantized proves that they are particles, even though they are a somewhat special kind of particle and capable of field/wave behavior. Hint: if you set up an experiment to look for a quantized photon particle, you will detect a quantized photon particle the energy of which is related by frequency to Planck's equation. http://employees.oneonta.edu/viningw...quation_s.html FYI, even one single Bucky-ball, known to consist of nothing but a large number of carbon atoms, is capable of wave behavior. How do you explain that one? Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna. For what you need the new hiphothesis? S* |
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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
... | | | Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that | electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna. | For what you need the new hiphothesis? | S* Hello Szczepan. Are you now a radio amateur? How about this for a holiday for you - https://www.emfcamp.org/ ? Regards, Ian. |
UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna. And determine that it is zero... For what you need the new hiphothesis? I think it is you that keeps coming up with nonconforming ideas about how antennas operate. So we'll call your hypothesis "new" even though you dig it out of 150 year old documents. |
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna. For what you need the new hiphothesis? Wrong; all radio amateurs are able to show that there are NO electrons jumping off the ends of the antennas. Do you wear slip on shoes? |
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"Rob" wrote in message
... | Szczepan Bialek wrote: | Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that | electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna. | | And determine that it is zero... | | For what you need the new hiphothesis? | | I think it is you that keeps coming up with nonconforming ideas about | how antennas operate. So we'll call your hypothesis "new" even though | you dig it out of 150 year old documents. Hello Rob. As others have said, and a search confirms, Szczepan has been posting some of his ideas for a year or more. Seems unable to read, understand and learn whereas most children with a textbook are capable of reading, understanding and learning. I think I have worked with only one person who refused to learn new ideas and techniques. His work involved using a new computer. I showed him how to use it and then let him try to get on with the job. Eventually he did become willing to have a go. He now seems progressive in comparison with Szczepan. 73, Ian. |
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"Rob" napisał w wiadomości ... Szczepan Bialek wrote: Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna. And determine that it is zero... For what you need the new hiphothesis? I think it is you that keeps coming up with nonconforming ideas about how antennas operate. So we'll call your hypothesis "new" even though you dig it out of 150 year old documents. All time the ideas are the same and are confirmed: "It is found that an electron which seems to us to be moving slowly, must actually have a very high frequency oscillatory motion of small amplitude superposed on the regular motion which appears to us. As a result of this oscillatory motion, the velocity of the electron at any time equals the velocity of light." From: http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_priz...ac-lecture.pdf S* |
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:
"Rob" napisa? w wiadomo?ci ... Szczepan Bialek wrote: Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna. And determine that it is zero... For what you need the new hiphothesis? I think it is you that keeps coming up with nonconforming ideas about how antennas operate. So we'll call your hypothesis "new" even though you dig it out of 150 year old documents. All time the ideas are the same and are confirmed: No, you are the only one in the world that currently believes electrons jump off the end of an antenna. "It is found that an electron which seems to us to be moving slowly, must actually have a very high frequency oscillatory motion of small amplitude superposed on the regular motion which appears to us. As a result of this oscillatory motion, the velocity of the electron at any time equals the velocity of light." From: http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_priz...ac-lecture.pdf It was later shown and proved that it is impossible for an electron to move at the speed of light under any conditions. That's what you get when you only read ancient literature. Do you wear slip on shoes? |
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On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 11:09:46 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna. Electrons that "jump off" a transmitting antenna are known to be non-coherent. Such is called "corona", an undesirable effect for antennas. The coherent particles that can be measured being emitted from an antenna are photons and that's NOT a new hypothesis. It's close to being a century old. Einstein was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1921 for discovering the nature of the photoelectric effect of photons. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com |
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On 8/1/2012 11:24 AM, Ian wrote:
wrote in message ... | Szczepan wrote: | Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that | electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna. | | And determine that it is zero... | | For what you need the new hiphothesis? | | I think it is you that keeps coming up with nonconforming ideas about | how antennas operate. So we'll call your hypothesis "new" even though | you dig it out of 150 year old documents. Hello Rob. As others have said, and a search confirms, Szczepan has been posting some of his ideas for a year or more. Seems unable to read, understand and learn whereas most children with a textbook are capable of reading, understanding and learning. I think I have worked with only one person who refused to learn new ideas and techniques. His work involved using a new computer. I showed him how to use it and then let him try to get on with the job. Eventually he did become willing to have a go. He now seems progressive in comparison with Szczepan. 73, Ian. He is a TROLL. Please quit feeding him. tom K0TAR |
UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci ... On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 11:09:46 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote: Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna. Electrons that "jump off" a transmitting antenna are known to be non-coherent. Such is called "corona", an undesirable effect for antennas. The coherent particles that can be measured being emitted from an antenna are photons and that's NOT a new hypothesis. It's close to being a century old. Einstein was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1921 for discovering the nature of the photoelectric effect of photons. "Later, in 1905 Albert Einstein went further by suggesting that electromagnetic waves could only exist in these discrete wave-packets.[5] He called such a wave-packet the light quantum (German: das Lichtquant). " "As shown by Albert Einstein,[5][38] some form of energy quantization must be assumed to account for the thermal equilibrium observed between matter and electromagnetic radiation; for this explanation of the photoelectric effect, Einstein received the 1921 Nobel Prize in physics.[39]" "Hence, Einstein's hypothesis that quantization is a property of light itself is considered to be proven." Natural light is emitted from many oscillators in discrete wave-packets. Hertz made the one oscillator which radiate the discrete wave-packets. The Hertz waves are exactly as the light. But the CW are emitted continuously. Who was awarded the Nobel Prize for discovering any portions in CW? S* |
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On Thursday, August 2, 2012 2:59:40 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Natural light is emitted from many oscillators in discrete wave-packets. Hertz waves are exactly as the light. Thanks for proving yourself wrong. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com |
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:
"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci ... On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 11:09:46 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote: Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna. Electrons that "jump off" a transmitting antenna are known to be non-coherent. Such is called "corona", an undesirable effect for antennas. The coherent particles that can be measured being emitted from an antenna are photons and that's NOT a new hypothesis. It's close to being a century old. Einstein was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1921 for discovering the nature of the photoelectric effect of photons. "Later, in 1905 Albert Einstein went further by suggesting that electromagnetic waves could only exist in these discrete wave-packets.[5] He called such a wave-packet the light quantum (German: das Lichtquant). " "As shown by Albert Einstein,[5][38] some form of energy quantization must be assumed to account for the thermal equilibrium observed between matter and electromagnetic radiation; for this explanation of the photoelectric effect, Einstein received the 1921 Nobel Prize in physics.[39]" "Hence, Einstein's hypothesis that quantization is a property of light itself is considered to be proven." And that light quantum is known today as the photon to everyone but you. Natural light is emitted from many oscillators in discrete wave-packets. Hertz made the one oscillator which radiate the discrete wave-packets. The Hertz waves are exactly as the light. But the CW are emitted continuously. Who was awarded the Nobel Prize for discovering any portions in CW? All a bunch of gibberish nonsense; all electromagnetic radiation is photons. Do you wear slip on shoes? |
UK earthling - was: Dipole-2 different wire sizes?
"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci ... On Thursday, August 2, 2012 2:59:40 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote: Natural light is emitted from many oscillators in discrete wave-packets. Hertz waves are exactly as the light. Thanks for proving yourself wrong. Are the radio waves emitted from the Hertz apparatus and the light from the Sun different? S* |
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:
"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci ... On Thursday, August 2, 2012 2:59:40 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote: Natural light is emitted from many oscillators in discrete wave-packets. Hertz waves are exactly as the light. Thanks for proving yourself wrong. Are the radio waves emitted from the Hertz apparatus and the light from the Sun different? In frequency, yes, in composition, no. Do you wear slip on shoes? |
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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
... | | | Are the radio waves emitted from the Hertz apparatus and the light from the | Sun different? | S* Good evening Szczepan . Why do you ask? Why do you want to know? We know you will only disagree with our answers. Regards, Ian. |
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On Thursday, August 2, 2012 12:37:11 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Are the radio waves emitted from the Hertz apparatus and the light from the Sun different? There is much more energy in one visible light photon than in one RF photon.. The fact that photon energy varies directly with frequency blows your "jumping electron" theory right out of the water, i.e. recognized as a scientific myth by all rational technical people since long before any of us were born. "Electrons jumping off an antenna" is akin to the theory of a flat earth at the center of the universe. Do you still believe that one?:) If and when an electron leaves an antenna, it ceases to be exposed to the RF energy that is causing it to vibrate and *becomes like any other electron floating in space* - devoid of frequency and oscillations - incapable of propagating a coherent RF wave. Photons have no such limitations. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com |
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