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"tom" wrote in message
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On 7/6/2012 3:46 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
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Do you agree that such "dipole" is the monopole?
S*


Absolutely not.

tom
K0TAR


Is this guy the ghost of Allen Funt? He has set up such an improbable
situation with his nonsense that we are unable to grasp it, so we suspend
disbelief.

Try to grasp that:

The Marconi antenna is vertical. It consists of an antena and the
counterpoise. The counterpoise can be in form of the vertical wire. So such
monopole is vertical.

The "dipole" antenna with the coax and without the balun is exactly like te
above set.
The only difference is that the second set is horizontal.
Too difficult?
S*

"tom" napisal w wiadomosci
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On 7/6/2012 3:46 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
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Do you agree that such "dipole" is the monopole?
S*

Absolutely not.
tom


"Try to grasp that:

The Marconi antenna is vertical. It consists of an antenna and the
counterpoise. The counterpoise can be in form of the vertical wire. So such
monopole is vertical.

The "dipole" antenna with the coax and without the balun is exactly like the
above set.
The only difference is that the second set is horizontal.
Too difficult?
S*

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Sal M. O'Nella" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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"tom" wrote in message
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On 7/6/2012 3:46 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisal w wiadomosci

Do you agree that such "dipole" is the monopole?
S*


Absolutely not.

tom
K0TAR


Is this guy the ghost of Allen Funt? He has set up such an improbable
situation with his nonsense that we are unable to grasp it, so we suspend
disbelief.

Try to grasp that:

The Marconi antenna is vertical. It consists of an antena and the
counterpoise. The counterpoise can be in form of the vertical wire. So such
monopole is vertical.

The "dipole" antenna with the coax and without the balun is exactly like te
above set.
The only difference is that the second set is horizontal.
Too difficult?
S*

Apparently too difficult for you!

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:


All the links I quote are wrote by "people who have
spent decades building and using antennas in the real world, people
ranging
in education from knowledgable hobbyiests to degreed engineers and
scientists."


Are you one of them?
S*

Am I one of what?

If you mean what are MY qualifications to call you a babbling idiot, I
have
been building and using antennas for about 50 years and have a degree in
Electrical and Electronic Engineering.

How long have you been building and using antennas and what degrees do
you have?

Instead writting the "babbling idiot" write a long article on antennas
without ground.

You wrote: "Only end fed monopoles need radials". Do you mean that "Only end
fed monopoles need ground"?
S*

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"tom" napisal w wiadomosci
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On 7/6/2012 3:46 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisal w wiadomosci

Do you agree that such "dipole" is the monopole?
S*

Absolutely not.
tom


"Try to grasp that:

The Marconi antenna is vertical. It consists of an antenna and the
counterpoise. The counterpoise can be in form of the vertical wire. So such
monopole is vertical.

When you have a vertical 1/4 wavelength antenna with a vertical 1/4
wavelength "counterpoise" below it, you don't have a monopole, you
have a dipole.

The "dipole" antenna with the coax and without the balun is exactly like the
above set.
The only difference is that the second set is horizontal.

It can be horizontal or vertical or anywhere in between.

Too difficult?

Too difficult for you.

"Rob" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Rob" napisa3 w wiadomo?ci
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:


Do you mean the antenna with the two legs where the one leg is
connected
to
the shield of a coax?

That is not a correct way to feed a dipole!
There must be a balun between the coax and the dipole.

The balun only improve the monopole . The only one leg is red
(radiate):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Di...ebandbalun.png

The color someone used in an illustrative diagram has no significance
in the operation of the antenna.

Both the halves of the dipole are involved in the radiation.

If it is feed by the two wires transmission line:
http://www.deltadx.net/ABCDx/Sections/Antennas.htm
http://www.deltadx.net/ABCDx/Section...le-Ladder2.gif
S*

Did you notice there is no connection to ground required?

Jimp wrote: "Only end fed monopoles need radials".
Marconi wrote that all antennas needs ground.

It is obvious that "the antenna with the two legs where the one leg is
connected to the shield of a coax" is the Marconi antenna.
It is not the dipole antenna.

The rest of your antennas (small power) can have the ground from AC supply
or chassis.
S*

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Rob" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Rob" napisa3 w wiadomo?ci
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:


Do you mean the antenna with the two legs where the one leg is
connected
to
the shield of a coax?

That is not a correct way to feed a dipole!
There must be a balun between the coax and the dipole.

The balun only improve the monopole . The only one leg is red
(radiate):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Di...ebandbalun.png

The color someone used in an illustrative diagram has no significance
in the operation of the antenna.

Both the halves of the dipole are involved in the radiation.

If it is feed by the two wires transmission line:
http://www.deltadx.net/ABCDx/Sections/Antennas.htm
http://www.deltadx.net/ABCDx/Section...le-Ladder2.gif
S*

Did you notice there is no connection to ground required?

Jimp wrote: "Only end fed monopoles need radials".
Marconi wrote that all antennas needs ground.

Marconi was wrong.

"Rob" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"tom" napisal w wiadomosci
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On 7/6/2012 3:46 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisal w wiadomosci

Do you agree that such "dipole" is the monopole?
S*

Absolutely not.
tom


"Try to grasp that:

The Marconi antenna is vertical. It consists of an antenna and the
counterpoise. The counterpoise can be in form of the vertical wire. So
such
monopole is vertical.

When you have a vertical 1/4 wavelength antenna with a vertical 1/4
wavelength "counterpoise" below it, you don't have a monopole, you
have a dipole.

The real dipole need the ladder line (the two wires).
The coax shield is connected to the ground.
You should write "dipole". In NASA their dipole and your"dipole" are the
quite different things.

The "dipole" antenna with the coax and without the balun is exactly like
the
above set.
The only difference is that the second set is horizontal.

It can be horizontal or vertical or anywhere in between.

So you grasp it.
S*

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Rob" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"tom" napisal w wiadomosci
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On 7/6/2012 3:46 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisal w wiadomosci

Do you agree that such "dipole" is the monopole?
S*

Absolutely not.
tom


"Try to grasp that:

The Marconi antenna is vertical. It consists of an antenna and the
counterpoise. The counterpoise can be in form of the vertical wire. So
such
monopole is vertical.

When you have a vertical 1/4 wavelength antenna with a vertical 1/4
wavelength "counterpoise" below it, you don't have a monopole, you
have a dipole.

The real dipole need the ladder line (the two wires).

No.
You can use a coax and a balun.

The coax shield is connected to the ground.

Why?

You should write "dipole". In NASA their dipole and your"dipole" are the
quite different things.

What do you mean with "In NASA"?

The "dipole" antenna with the coax and without the balun is exactly like
the
above set.
The only difference is that the second set is horizontal.

It can be horizontal or vertical or anywhere in between.

So you grasp it.

I do. But you don't seem to.

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Rob" napisa? w wiadomo?ci
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Rob" napisa3 w wiadomo?ci
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:


Do you mean the antenna with the two legs where the one leg is
connected
to
the shield of a coax?

That is not a correct way to feed a dipole!
There must be a balun between the coax and the dipole.

The balun only improve the monopole . The only one leg is red
(radiate):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Di...ebandbalun.png

The color someone used in an illustrative diagram has no significance
in the operation of the antenna.

Both the halves of the dipole are involved in the radiation.

If it is feed by the two wires transmission line:
http://www.deltadx.net/ABCDx/Sections/Antennas.htm
http://www.deltadx.net/ABCDx/Section...le-Ladder2.gif
S*

Did you notice there is no connection to ground required?

Jimp wrote: "Only end fed monopoles need radials".
Marconi wrote that all antennas needs ground.

Jimp has read modern literature and is correct while Marconi was wrong.

It is obvious that "the antenna with the two legs where the one leg is
connected to the shield of a coax" is the Marconi antenna.

No, it is not "obvious", it is nonsense to call a dipole a Marconi antenna.

A Marconi antenna by definition is an end fed monopole one quarter wavelength
high.

It is not the dipole antenna.

A dipole most certainly IS a dipole.

The rest of your antennas (small power) can have the ground from AC supply
or chassis.

Babbling nonsense.

You are an ignorant, ineducable idiot.