On 7/11/2015 11:33 AM, Wayne wrote:
“The antenna, like the eye, is a transformation device converting
electromagnetic
photons into circuit currents; but, unlike the eye, the antenna can also
convert energy
from a circuit into photons radiated into space. In simplest terms an
antenna converts
photons to currents or vice versa.� Antennas, Second Edition, 1988, by John
D. Kraus. Page 19.

What about it? Is there some reason why RF photons should not exist?

--

Rick

rickman wrote:
On 7/11/2015 11:33 AM, Wayne wrote:
“The antenna, like the eye, is a transformation device converting
electromagnetic
photons into circuit currents; but, unlike the eye, the antenna can also
convert energy
from a circuit into photons radiated into space. In simplest terms an
antenna converts
photons to currents or vice versa.� Antennas, Second Edition, 1988, by John
D. Kraus. Page 19.

What about it? Is there some reason why RF photons should not exist?

There are a lot of people that believe that light is somehow special
and the dual nature of all electromagnetic radiation doesn't exist.

Most of them base this on the fact that it is impossible with current
technology to detect a single photon at frequencies lower than light.


--
Jim Pennino

On 7/11/2015 1:04 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 7/11/2015 11:33 AM, Wayne wrote:
“The antenna, like the eye, is a transformation device converting
electromagnetic
photons into circuit currents; but, unlike the eye, the antenna can also
convert energy
from a circuit into photons radiated into space. In simplest terms an
antenna converts
photons to currents or vice versa.� Antennas, Second Edition, 1988, by John
D. Kraus. Page 19.

What about it? Is there some reason why RF photons should not exist?

There are a lot of people that believe that light is somehow special
and the dual nature of all electromagnetic radiation doesn't exist.

Most of them base this on the fact that it is impossible with current
technology to detect a single photon at frequencies lower than light.



Radiating RF at the same wavelength as light will produce an
electromagnetic field that is not visible to any eye.

If you think that photons will be converted to electric current on an
antenna, try flashing a light on any antenna and check for results.

Please report back any findings here. :-)

FBMBoomer wrote:

On 7/11/2015 1:04 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 7/11/2015 11:33 AM, Wayne wrote: "The antenna, like the eye, is a
transformation device converting electromagnetic photons into
circuit currents; but, unlike the eye, the antenna can also convert
energy from a circuit into photons radiated into space. In simplest
terms an antenna converts photons to currents or vice versa."
Antennas, Second Edition, 1988, by John D. Kraus. Page 19.

What about it? Is there some reason why RF photons should not exist?

There are a lot of people that believe that light is somehow special
and the dual nature of all electromagnetic radiation doesn't exist.

Most of them base this on the fact that it is impossible with current
technology to detect a single photon at frequencies lower than light.



Radiating RF at the same wavelength as light will produce an
electromagnetic field that is not visible to any eye.

Damn! I was hoping to invent light bulbs!



If you think that photons will be converted to electric current on an
antenna, try flashing a light on any antenna and check for results.

Please report back any findings here. :-)


--
Roger Hayter

"FBMBoomer" wrote in message ...

On 7/11/2015 1:04 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 7/11/2015 11:33 AM, Wayne wrote:
“The antenna, like the eye, is a transformation device converting
electromagnetic
photons into circuit currents; but, unlike the eye, the antenna can
also
convert energy
from a circuit into photons radiated into space. In simplest terms an
antenna converts
photons to currents or vice versa.� Antennas, Second Edition, 1988, by
John
D. Kraus. Page 19.

What about it? Is there some reason why RF photons should not exist?

There are a lot of people that believe that light is somehow special
and the dual nature of all electromagnetic radiation doesn't exist.

Most of them base this on the fact that it is impossible with current
technology to detect a single photon at frequencies lower than light.



Radiating RF at the same wavelength as light will produce an
electromagnetic field that is not visible to any eye.

And the flip side is that the frequency of light can be lowered to the point
that photons are not visible to any eye.

If a photon is the quantum of electromagnetic radiation, maybe it isn't that
far fetched to imagine antennas radiating photons.

But there is much to consider. How would a rf signal composed of protons
bounce off the ionosphere to produce skip.

FBMBoomer wrote:
On 7/11/2015 1:04 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 7/11/2015 11:33 AM, Wayne wrote:
“The antenna, like the eye, is a transformation device converting
electromagnetic
photons into circuit currents; but, unlike the eye, the antenna can also
convert energy
from a circuit into photons radiated into space. In simplest terms an
antenna converts
photons to currents or vice versa.� Antennas, Second Edition, 1988, by John
D. Kraus. Page 19.

What about it? Is there some reason why RF photons should not exist?

There are a lot of people that believe that light is somehow special
and the dual nature of all electromagnetic radiation doesn't exist.

Most of them base this on the fact that it is impossible with current
technology to detect a single photon at frequencies lower than light.



Radiating RF at the same wavelength as light will produce an
electromagnetic field that is not visible to any eye.

Babble; light IS electromagnetic radiation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light

If you think that photons will be converted to electric current on an
antenna, try flashing a light on any antenna and check for results.

Babble; antennas for light frequencies have been contructed in labs and
guess what, they produce a voltage. Research continues to make them
a practical solar energy converter.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1204.0330v1.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nantenna
http://www.nature.com/nphoton/journa....2010.237.html

Please report back any findings here. :-)

I find you are an ignorant babbler.


--
Jim Pennino

On 7/12/2015 7:31 PM, wrote:
FBMBoomer wrote:
On 7/11/2015 1:04 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 7/11/2015 11:33 AM, Wayne wrote:
“The antenna, like the eye, is a transformation device converting
electromagnetic
photons into circuit currents; but, unlike the eye, the antenna can also
convert energy
from a circuit into photons radiated into space. In simplest terms an
antenna converts
photons to currents or vice versa.� Antennas, Second Edition, 1988, by John
D. Kraus. Page 19.

What about it? Is there some reason why RF photons should not exist?

There are a lot of people that believe that light is somehow special
and the dual nature of all electromagnetic radiation doesn't exist.

Most of them base this on the fact that it is impossible with current
technology to detect a single photon at frequencies lower than light.



Radiating RF at the same wavelength as light will produce an
electromagnetic field that is not visible to any eye.

Babble; light IS electromagnetic radiation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light

If you think that photons will be converted to electric current on an
antenna, try flashing a light on any antenna and check for results.

Babble; antennas for light frequencies have been contructed in labs and
guess what, they produce a voltage. Research continues to make them
a practical solar energy converter.

Of course they produce a voltage. They do not produce light.



http://arxiv.org/pdf/1204.0330v1.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nantenna
http://www.nature.com/nphoton/journa....2010.237.html

Please report back any findings here. :-)

I find you are an ignorant babbler.


Yet still, you have not tried your flashlight on any type of antenna to
produce a signal. Try harder.

Again, for those who understand physics here, a very short wavelength
electrical signal sent to an a tuned antenna at the frequency of say red
light will produce zero light. It will produce electromagnetic
radiation. They are not the same.

If you are so sure, just prove us all wrong and win the Nobel Prize in
physics.

FBMBoomer wrote:
On 7/12/2015 7:31 PM, wrote:
FBMBoomer wrote:
On 7/11/2015 1:04 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 7/11/2015 11:33 AM, Wayne wrote:
“The antenna, like the eye, is a transformation device converting
electromagnetic
photons into circuit currents; but, unlike the eye, the antenna can also
convert energy
from a circuit into photons radiated into space. In simplest terms an
antenna converts
photons to currents or vice versa.� Antennas, Second Edition, 1988, by John
D. Kraus. Page 19.

What about it? Is there some reason why RF photons should not exist?

There are a lot of people that believe that light is somehow special
and the dual nature of all electromagnetic radiation doesn't exist.

Most of them base this on the fact that it is impossible with current
technology to detect a single photon at frequencies lower than light.



Radiating RF at the same wavelength as light will produce an
electromagnetic field that is not visible to any eye.

Babble; light IS electromagnetic radiation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light

If you think that photons will be converted to electric current on an
antenna, try flashing a light on any antenna and check for results.

Babble; antennas for light frequencies have been contructed in labs and
guess what, they produce a voltage. Research continues to make them
a practical solar energy converter.

Of course they produce a voltage. They do not produce light.

You just said "try flashing a light on any antenna and check for results",
idiot.

Obviously shining a light on an antenna designed for MHz frequencies
will not produce an electric current, but shining a light on an antenna
designed for THz frequencies will.


http://arxiv.org/pdf/1204.0330v1.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nantenna
http://www.nature.com/nphoton/journa....2010.237.html

Please report back any findings here. :-)

I find you are an ignorant babbler.


Yet still, you have not tried your flashlight on any type of antenna to
produce a signal. Try harder.

I don't have the lab required to build a THz antennn, idiot.

Again, for those who understand physics here, a very short wavelength
electrical signal sent to an a tuned antenna at the frequency of say red
light will produce zero light. It will produce electromagnetic
radiation. They are not the same.

Shining electromagnetic radiation on an antenna of the appropriate
frequency does not produce electromagenetic radiation, it produces
an electrical current, idiot.

If you are so sure, just prove us all wrong and win the Nobel Prize in
physics.

I already gave you three links on the subject, idiot.


--
Jim Pennino

wrote:

FBMBoomer wrote:
On 7/12/2015 7:31 PM, wrote:
FBMBoomer wrote:
On 7/11/2015 1:04 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 7/11/2015 11:33 AM, Wayne wrote:
´The antenna, like the eye, is a transformation device converting
electromagnetic
photons into circuit currents; but, unlike the eye, the antenna can also
convert energy
from a circuit into photons radiated into space. In simplest terms an
antenna converts
photons to currents or vice versa.¡ Antennas, Second Edition, 1988, by John
D. Kraus. Page 19.

What about it? Is there some reason why RF photons should not exist?

There are a lot of people that believe that light is somehow special
and the dual nature of all electromagnetic radiation doesn't exist.

Most of them base this on the fact that it is impossible with current
technology to detect a single photon at frequencies lower than light.



Radiating RF at the same wavelength as light will produce an
electromagnetic field that is not visible to any eye.

Babble; light IS electromagnetic radiation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light

If you think that photons will be converted to electric current on an
antenna, try flashing a light on any antenna and check for results.

Babble; antennas for light frequencies have been contructed in labs and
guess what, they produce a voltage. Research continues to make them
a practical solar energy converter.

Of course they produce a voltage. They do not produce light.

You just said "try flashing a light on any antenna and check for results",
idiot.

Obviously shining a light on an antenna designed for MHz frequencies
will not produce an electric current, but shining a light on an antenna
designed for THz frequencies will.


http://arxiv.org/pdf/1204.0330v1.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nantenna
http://www.nature.com/nphoton/journa....2010.237.html

Please report back any findings here. :-)

I find you are an ignorant babbler.


Yet still, you have not tried your flashlight on any type of antenna to
produce a signal. Try harder.

I don't have the lab required to build a THz antennn, idiot.

Again, for those who understand physics here, a very short wavelength
electrical signal sent to an a tuned antenna at the frequency of say red
light will produce zero light. It will produce electromagnetic
radiation. They are not the same.

Shining electromagnetic radiation on an antenna of the appropriate
frequency does not produce electromagenetic radiation, it produces
an electrical current, idiot.

If you are so sure, just prove us all wrong and win the Nobel Prize in
physics.

I already gave you three links on the subject, idiot.



THz scanners are being used to detect weapons, etc. However, although
they are even being used at some airports, there is much worry, as these
frequencies are particularly useful to tear DNA/RNA apart.

I don't think anyone has seen them emitting any light, but perhaps the
THz freqs are simply shredding the light receptors in the
victims/viewers eyes ... lol

FBMBoomer wrote:

snip

Again, for those who understand physics here, a very short wavelength
electrical signal sent to an a tuned antenna at the frequency of say red
light will produce zero light. It will produce electromagnetic
radiation. They are not the same.

If you can prove they are different then you will be the one in line for
a Noblel prize.



If you are so sure, just prove us all wrong and win the Nobel Prize in
physics.

At least one Nobel prize has already been awarded for parts of that
proof. (AMI, how many of you are there?)



--
Roger Hayter