"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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He can't grasp the concept Brian, you are wasting your time. He is hung up
on the Bohr model and single electron transitions.

Yet more infantile abuse from you, OM.

If you know the answers, then why not give them?

If you don't know the answers, then shut up.

"Brian Morrison" wrote in message
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On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 08:16:17 -0700
Wayne wrote:



"gareth" wrote in message ...

1. For those who suggest that RF transmissions are made up of
photons, what is the amplitude envelope of each photon, and for how
many cycles does
it exist?

Consider this. Waves and photons exist in visible light at any
frequency. If the frequency is lowered below the visible spectrum all
the way down to say, 1 MHz, at what point do the photons disappear?
Or do they just get weak?


It's not like that. The photons and the wave-like effects of their
probability distribution functions, exist simultaneously. You cannot
separate them, therefore they are generated by a single process that is
exactly equivalent in both atoms and antennas.

Well, that's exactly what I was getting at, but perhaps not as eloquently

As frequency is lowered from visible light, there is no reason to believe
that photons disappear when the frequency is below visible.

"Wayne" wrote in message
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As frequency is lowered from visible light, there is no reason to believe
that photons disappear when the frequency is below visible.

There is no reason to believe that they appear in the first place when no
mechanism exists for there creation, for all quantisation theory and
experimental evidence arises from objects that are themselves quantised and
not as
multi-electrons in electric currents.

How many cycles make up your RF photon, say, at 14MHz?

How big is the photon?

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna gareth wrote:
"Wayne" wrote in message
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As frequency is lowered from visible light, there is no reason to believe
that photons disappear when the frequency is below visible.

There is no reason to believe that they appear in the first place when no

As their existence has repeatedly been verified by expirement, your
lack of belief just betrays your ignorance.


--
Jim Pennino

"gareth" wrote in
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"Wayne" wrote in message
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As frequency is lowered from visible light, there is no reason to
believe that photons disappear when the frequency is below visible.

There is no reason to believe that they appear in the first place when
no mechanism exists for there creation,

Photons are no more created than waves are. They are simply different
manifestations of the same phenomenon.

for all quantisation theory
and experimental evidence arises from objects that are themselves
quantised and not as
multi-electrons in electric currents.

Photon behaviour has been observed at microwave frequencies. Why do you
suppose it suddenly stops, and at what frequency?
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1102.0461.pdf


How many cycles make up your RF photon, say, at 14MHz?

Cycles of what? Take your time now. (Hint: the 'wave packet' model refers
to particles, not radiation)


How big is the photon?

GIGO. Have you forgotten already?
https://www.rp-photonics.com/spotlight_2008_05_05.html

"The trouble with that question is essentially that the photon is a
theoretical construction which does not have any straightforward
connection either with an entity of physical reality or with anything
simple which we can imagine."

On 9/10/2015 2:12 PM, gareth wrote:
"Wayne" wrote in message
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As frequency is lowered from visible light, there is no reason to believe
that photons disappear when the frequency is below visible.

There is no reason to believe that they appear in the first place when no
mechanism exists for there creation, for all quantisation theory and
experimental evidence arises from objects that are themselves quantised and
not as
multi-electrons in electric currents.

How many cycles make up your RF photon, say, at 14MHz?

14 ±

How big is the photon?

Bigger than a breadbox. But the probability of it being near your
antenna is very low.... no matter where *your* antenna is.

--

Rick

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna gareth wrote:
1. For those who suggest that RF transmissions are made up of photons,
what is the amplitude envelope of each photon, and for how many cycles does
it exist?

A photon has only energy, which is equal to it's frequency times the Planck
constant.

There is no such thing as an "amplitude envelope" for a photon.


2. Are jimp and brian reay one and the same, because both monikers display
the same
incapability of engaging in well-socialised civil conversations, resorting
to infantile abuse,
and both refuse to be drawn whenever challenged on a technical matter?

Your questions makes no sense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

--
Jim Pennino