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Disrupting Usenet NGs
On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 12:57:39 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 16:12:31 -0000, "gareth" wrote: As I said elsewhere, 43 years ago I completed an electronics degree, specialising in computers and communications, and am now in a position as a retired engineer to discuss those things that puzzled me and which were never explained ... Retired engineer with a degree? I would never have suspected that you had any level of electronic competence beyond basic dabbling, much less an engineering degree, which incidentally doesn't exist unless you obtained a general engineering degree. Which university, what degree, and in what year did you graduate (presumably 1972)? I want to verify your claims. Citing from (And that is despite that in my last 10 years of gainful employment I was designing test eqpt for mobile phone development!) 10 years designing test equipment should have given you considerable experience in radio techniques, terminology, and in particular standards. Yet, you seem to lack the relevant technical vocabulary preferring CB lingo over proper engineering terms. You've also never mentioned any testing RF testing standards. It's also odd that you claim to have worked in the industry, yet have never offered an anecdote, story, math, or calculation from your unspecified years of employment. Something is wrong here. I'm a great believer that education should deliver understanding as opposed to training that only delivers knowledge. This is not directed at you in particular, but in my never humble opinion and limited experience in edukation, the best that can be done is to overload the student with as much relevant and diverse knowledge, facts, and techniques as possible. What they do with it will be determined after they graduate and go to work. Experience is the best teacher. At the time I graduated (1971) college, teaching methods revolved around independent thinking. Collaboration was deemed cheating. Teamwork was tolerated only if there was a shortage of lab equipment. All that has fortunately changed today, but it left it's mark on me. I initially had a VERY difficult time working with other engineers and technicians simply because I had never done it in skool. If you had a teenage daughter, which would you prefer her to receive, sex education or sex training? There's not much you can tell a teenager. They already know everything. Re-posting as Gareth claims to have kill-filed you. |
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On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 21:02:33 -0000, "Jimbo in the Borders ..."
wrote: give me my cat back ..... http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html That's my neighbors cat and laptop. Cats like to be where it's warm. I had just tried to move her so I could use the laptop, but she had other ideas, which explains the her expression. I settled for a bad photo and found another computer. You can't have her because she's solely responsible for clearing the neighborhood of various rodents. Last week, she chased away a much larger bobcat that was trying to attack the chicken coop. Unfortunately, she's quite old and may not be around for much longer. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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"Jimbo in the Borders ..." wrote in message ... give me my cat back ..... http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html https://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo?...id=20931998436 |
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"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message ... On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 21:02:33 -0000, "Jimbo in the Borders ..." wrote: give me my cat back ..... http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html That's my neighbors cat and laptop. Cats like to be where it's warm. I had just tried to move her so I could use the laptop, but she had other ideas, which explains the her expression. I settled for a bad photo and found another computer. You can't have her because she's solely responsible for clearing the neighborhood of various rodents. Last week, she chased away a much larger bobcat that was trying to attack the chicken coop. Unfortunately, she's quite old and may not be around for much longer. mine is the uglyist fat cat in the world ..... |
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On 5 Dec 2015 21:04:53 GMT, NoOb wrote:
Re-posting as Gareth claims to have kill-filed you. Sigh. I wish you hadn't done that. I wanted to see if he really had kill filed me. Probably not. I can't resist the temptation, and I'm fairly certain he can't either. Even the most disagreeable people sometimes say something interesting or useful. I do have some people in my kill file list, but they're all chronic spammers. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 13:18:06 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On 5 Dec 2015 21:04:53 GMT, NoOb wrote: Re-posting as Gareth claims to have kill-filed you. Sigh. I wish you hadn't done that. I wanted to see if he really had kill filed me. Probably not. I can't resist the temptation, and I'm fairly certain he can't either. Even the most disagreeable people sometimes say something interesting or useful. I do have some people in my kill file list, but they're all chronic spammers. Oh ye of little faith. I haven't spoiled the test, only doubled it. |
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On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 12:30:27 +0000, Phil Kyle wrote:
On 05/12/15 12:16, Jimbo in the Borders ... wrote: I admit it ....I wasn't beat up ... I suggest ignoring Gareth for the rest of Dec. Not crowing about shunning, or talking around him, just plain ignoring his posts. December? When will the otherwise smart people here stop feeding Evens by letting him draw them into useless discussions designed to illicit responses? I long ago kill filed him, why don't others do the same? He clearly has nothing to contribute to rra.antenna, kill filing, or simply ignoring him will go a long way to eliminating the problem troll. Enough is enough already. Bob KB2ZGN |
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At 21:14:53 on Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Jimbo in the Borders ...
wrote in : "Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 21:02:33 -0000, "Jimbo in the Borders ..." wrote: give me my cat back ..... http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html That's my neighbors cat and laptop. Cats like to be where it's warm. I had just tried to move her so I could use the laptop, but she had other ideas, which explains the her expression. I settled for a bad photo and found another computer. You can't have her because she's solely responsible for clearing the neighborhood of various rodents. Last week, she chased away a much larger bobcat that was trying to attack the chicken coop. Unfortunately, she's quite old and may not be around for much longer. mine is the uglyist fat cat in the world ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytQehQJXpow -- Molly - I don't speak for the Committee. I speak for me. Nature loves variety. Unfortunately, society hates it. (Milton Diamond Ph.D.) My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not be so for ever. |
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"Bob" wrote in message
news On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 12:30:27 +0000, Phil Kyle wrote: On 05/12/15 12:16, Jimbo in the Borders ... wrote: I admit it ....I wasn't beat up ... I suggest ignoring Gareth for the rest of Dec. Not crowing about shunning, or talking around him, just plain ignoring his posts. December? When will the otherwise smart people here stop feeding Evens by letting him draw them into useless discussions designed to illicit responses? I long ago kill filed him, why don't others do the same? He clearly has nothing to contribute to rra.antenna, kill filing, or simply ignoring him will go a long way to eliminating the problem troll. Enough is enough already. Bob KB2ZGN ITYM "elicit", and I am sad to see that you are another who has decided to side with the gratuitous abusers. As always, there is none so blind as he who will not see. From your own gratuitous abuse above, I take it that you are a CBer-masquerading-as-a-radio-ham, and to help you to understand the difference, I append my FAQ ... -----ooooo----- Q. What is Ham Radio? A. Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those who are interested in the science of radio wave propagation and who are also interested in the way that their radios function. It has a long-standing tradition of providing a source of engineers who are born naturals. Ham Radio awakens in its aficionados a whole-life fascination with all things technical and gives an all-abiding curiosity to improve one's scientific knowledge. It's a great swimming pool, please dive in! This excitement causes a wish to share the experience with ones fellow man, and shows itself in the gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio. Radio Hams are in a unique privileged position in that they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one else has this privilege. Users, such as broadcasters, the po lice and armed farces, CBers and mobile phone users have to purchase ready-made gear. Manufacturers are not licensed to operate their gear. Radio Hams are qualified to design, build and then operate their own pieces of equipment. They do this with gusto, and also repair and modify their own equipment. This is a privilege well worth the effort to gain, and one to be jealously guarded. The excitement that drives a Radio Ham starts with relatively simple technologies at first, perhaps making his own Wimshurst machine and primary cells. Small pieces of test equipment follow, possibly multimeters and signal generators. Then comes receivers and transmitters. It is with the latter that communication with like-minded technically motivated people takes off. The scope for technical development grows with the years and now encompasses DSP and DDS. There is also a great deal of excitement in the areas of computer programming to be learnt and applied. The technical excitement motivates Radio Hams to compete with each other to determine who has designed and manufactured the best-quality station. This competitiveness is found in DXing, competitions and fox-hunts. -----ooooo---- However, beware! A Ham Radio licence is such a desirable thing to have that there are large numbers of people who wish to be thought of as Radio Hams when, in fact, they are nothing of the kind! Usually such people are a variation of the CB Radio hobbyist; they buy their radios off the shelf and send them back to be repaired; they are not interested in technical discussion and sneer at those who are; they have no idea how their radios work inside and have no wish to find out; they are free with rather silly personal insults. -----ooooo----- One infallible way to disambiguate the CB Radio Hobbyist from the _REAL_ Radio Ham is to solicit their view of the difference between CB Radio and Ham Radio. A Radio Ham will perceive Ham Radio to be a technical pursuit and will perceive CB Radio to be a social communications facility no different in essence to a land-line telephone or a GSM mobile in the hands of a 6-year-old. Thus a Radio Ham could also use a CB set safe in the knowledge that such use says no more about him than having a land-line telephone, whilst continuing to regard Ham Radio as a separate technical pursuit. A CB Radio hobbyist, on the other hand, sees no difference between Ham Radio and CB Radio. To him, they are sisters-under-the-skin. Wrongly, the CB Radio Hobbyist then tries to classify himself as the equal of the Radio Ham when, in fact, he is nothing of the kind. Ham Radio is not CB Radio and has no common ground with it! Ham Radio is _THE_ technical pursuit for gentlemen; CB Radio is the name for the operating hobby for those who buy their rigs and equipment off the shelf. -----ooooo----- If you are the sort of person who is motivated by a technical interest in how things work; if you took apart malfunctioning clocks, toasters and the like and put them right despite never having seen them working, then a Ham Radio licence is your traditional route! There has never been a shortage of such people, and those who gravitate towards such an interest have always been welcomed into our shacks and their interests fostered. There is not today, nor has there ever been, a need to go out and encourage and press children, children who have never expressed an interest in Ham Radio, to come into our shacks. Such an activity should cause eyebrows to be raised - what normal well-adjusted adults seek the social acquaintance of children?! -----ooooo----- Please remember that this FAQ is a _POSITIVE EXHORTATION_ to you to exert yourselves to join our fraternity! |
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