give me my cat back .....
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html

On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 12:57:39 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 16:12:31 -0000, "gareth"
wrote:

As I said elsewhere, 43 years ago I completed an electronics degree,
specialising in computers and communications, and am now in a position
as a retired engineer to discuss those things that puzzled me and which
were never explained ...

Retired engineer with a degree? I would never have suspected that you
had any level of electronic competence beyond basic dabbling, much less
an engineering degree, which incidentally doesn't exist unless you
obtained a general engineering degree. Which university, what degree,
and in what year did you graduate (presumably 1972)? I want to verify
your claims.

Citing from
(And that is despite that in my last 10 years of gainful employment I
was designing test eqpt for mobile phone development!)

10 years designing test equipment should have given you considerable
experience in radio techniques, terminology, and in particular
standards. Yet, you seem to lack the relevant technical vocabulary
preferring CB lingo over proper engineering terms. You've also never
mentioned any testing RF testing standards. It's also odd that you
claim to have worked in the industry, yet have never offered an
anecdote, story, math, or calculation from your unspecified years of
employment. Something is wrong here.

I'm a great believer that education should deliver understanding as
opposed to training that only delivers knowledge.

This is not directed at you in particular, but in my never humble
opinion and limited experience in edukation, the best that can be done
is to overload the student with as much relevant and diverse knowledge,
facts, and techniques as possible. What they do with it will be
determined after they graduate and go to work. Experience is the best
teacher.

At the time I graduated (1971) college, teaching methods revolved around
independent thinking. Collaboration was deemed cheating. Teamwork was
tolerated only if there was a shortage of lab equipment. All that has
fortunately changed today, but it left it's mark on me. I initially had
a VERY difficult time working with other engineers and technicians
simply because I had never done it in skool.

If you had a teenage daughter, which would you prefer her to receive,
sex education or sex training?

There's not much you can tell a teenager. They already know everything.

Re-posting as Gareth claims to have kill-filed you.

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 21:02:33 -0000, "Jimbo in the Borders ..."
wrote:

give me my cat back .....
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html

That's my neighbors cat and laptop. Cats like to be where it's warm.
I had just tried to move her so I could use the laptop, but she had
other ideas, which explains the her expression. I settled for a bad
photo and found another computer.

You can't have her because she's solely responsible for clearing the
neighborhood of various rodents. Last week, she chased away a much
larger bobcat that was trying to attack the chicken coop.

Unfortunately, she's quite old and may not be around for much longer.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

"Jimbo in the Borders ..." wrote in message
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give me my cat back .....
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html

https://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo?...id=20931998436

"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 21:02:33 -0000, "Jimbo in the Borders ..."
wrote:

give me my cat back .....
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html

That's my neighbors cat and laptop. Cats like to be where it's warm.
I had just tried to move her so I could use the laptop, but she had
other ideas, which explains the her expression. I settled for a bad
photo and found another computer.

You can't have her because she's solely responsible for clearing the
neighborhood of various rodents. Last week, she chased away a much
larger bobcat that was trying to attack the chicken coop.

Unfortunately, she's quite old and may not be around for much longer.

mine is the uglyist fat cat in the world .....

On 5 Dec 2015 21:04:53 GMT, NoOb wrote:

Re-posting as Gareth claims to have kill-filed you.

Sigh. I wish you hadn't done that. I wanted to see if he really had
kill filed me. Probably not. I can't resist the temptation, and I'm
fairly certain he can't either. Even the most disagreeable people
sometimes say something interesting or useful. I do have some people
in my kill file list, but they're all chronic spammers.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 13:18:06 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On 5 Dec 2015 21:04:53 GMT, NoOb wrote:

Re-posting as Gareth claims to have kill-filed you.

Sigh. I wish you hadn't done that. I wanted to see if he really had
kill filed me. Probably not. I can't resist the temptation, and I'm
fairly certain he can't either. Even the most disagreeable people
sometimes say something interesting or useful. I do have some people in
my kill file list, but they're all chronic spammers.

Oh ye of little faith. I haven't spoiled the test, only doubled it.

On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 12:30:27 +0000, Phil Kyle wrote:

On 05/12/15 12:16, Jimbo in the Borders ... wrote:

I admit it ....I wasn't beat up ...


I suggest ignoring Gareth for the rest of Dec. Not crowing about
shunning, or talking around him, just plain ignoring his posts.

December? When will the otherwise smart people here stop feeding Evens by
letting him draw them into useless discussions designed to illicit responses? I
long ago kill filed him, why don't others do the same? He clearly has nothing to
contribute to rra.antenna, kill filing, or simply ignoring him will go a long
way to eliminating the problem troll. Enough is enough already.

Bob KB2ZGN

At 21:14:53 on Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Jimbo in the Borders ...
wrote in :


"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 21:02:33 -0000, "Jimbo in the Borders ..."
wrote:

give me my cat back .....
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html

That's my neighbors cat and laptop. Cats like to be where it's warm.
I had just tried to move her so I could use the laptop, but she had
other ideas, which explains the her expression. I settled for a bad
photo and found another computer.

You can't have her because she's solely responsible for clearing the
neighborhood of various rodents. Last week, she chased away a much
larger bobcat that was trying to attack the chicken coop.

Unfortunately, she's quite old and may not be around for much longer.

mine is the uglyist fat cat in the world .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytQehQJXpow
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"Bob" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 12:30:27 +0000, Phil Kyle
wrote:
On 05/12/15 12:16, Jimbo in the Borders ... wrote:
I admit it ....I wasn't beat up ...
I suggest ignoring Gareth for the rest of Dec. Not crowing about
shunning, or talking around him, just plain ignoring his posts.
December? When will the otherwise smart people here stop feeding Evens by
letting him draw them into useless discussions designed to illicit
responses? I
long ago kill filed him, why don't others do the same? He clearly has
nothing to
contribute to rra.antenna, kill filing, or simply ignoring him will go a
long
way to eliminating the problem troll. Enough is enough already.
Bob KB2ZGN

ITYM "elicit", and I am sad to see that you are another who has decided to
side with the
gratuitous abusers. As always, there is none so blind as he who will not
see.

From your own gratuitous abuse above, I take it that you are a
CBer-masquerading-as-a-radio-ham,
and to help you to understand the difference, I append my FAQ ...

-----ooooo-----



Q. What is Ham Radio?

A. Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those who
are interested in the science of radio wave
propagation and who are also interested in the
way that their radios function. It has a long-standing
tradition of providing a source of engineers who
are born naturals.

Ham Radio awakens in its aficionados a whole-life
fascination with all things technical and gives
an all-abiding curiosity to improve one's scientific
knowledge. It's a great swimming pool, please dive in!

This excitement causes a wish to share the experience
with ones fellow man, and shows itself in the
gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio.

Radio Hams are in a unique privileged position in that
they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one
else has this privilege. Users, such as broadcasters,
the po lice and armed farces, CBers and mobile phone
users have to purchase ready-made gear. Manufacturers
are not licensed to operate their gear. Radio Hams
are qualified to design, build and then
operate their own pieces of equipment. They do this
with gusto, and also repair and modify their own
equipment. This is a privilege well worth the effort
to gain, and one to be jealously guarded.

The excitement that drives a Radio Ham starts with
relatively simple technologies at first, perhaps making
his own Wimshurst machine and primary cells. Small pieces
of test equipment follow, possibly multimeters and signal
generators. Then comes receivers and transmitters. It is with
the latter that communication with like-minded technically
motivated people takes off. The scope for technical
development grows with the years and now encompasses DSP
and DDS. There is also a great deal
of excitement in the areas of computer programming to
be learnt and applied.

The technical excitement motivates Radio Hams to compete
with each other to determine who has designed and manufactured
the best-quality station. This competitiveness is found in DXing,
competitions and fox-hunts.

-----ooooo----

However, beware! A Ham Radio licence is such a
desirable thing to have that there are large
numbers of people who wish to be thought of
as Radio Hams when, in fact, they are nothing
of the kind! Usually such people are a
variation of the CB Radio hobbyist; they buy their
radios off the shelf and send them back to be
repaired; they are not interested in technical discussion
and sneer at those who are; they have no idea how
their radios work inside and have no wish to find out;
they are free with rather silly personal insults.


-----ooooo-----

One infallible way to disambiguate the CB Radio Hobbyist
from the _REAL_ Radio Ham is to solicit their view of the
difference between CB Radio and Ham Radio. A Radio Ham will
perceive Ham Radio to be a technical pursuit and will
perceive CB Radio to be a social communications facility
no different in essence to a land-line telephone or a
GSM mobile in the hands of a 6-year-old. Thus a Radio Ham
could also use a CB set safe in the knowledge that
such use says no more about him than having a land-line
telephone, whilst continuing to regard Ham Radio as a separate
technical pursuit.

A CB Radio hobbyist, on the other hand, sees no difference between
Ham Radio and CB Radio. To him, they are
sisters-under-the-skin. Wrongly, the CB Radio Hobbyist then
tries to classify himself as the equal of the Radio
Ham when, in fact, he is nothing of the kind.

Ham Radio is not CB Radio and has no common ground with it!
Ham Radio is _THE_ technical pursuit for gentlemen; CB Radio
is the name for the operating hobby for those who buy their
rigs and equipment off the shelf.

-----ooooo-----

If you are the sort of person who is motivated by
a technical interest in how things work; if you took apart
malfunctioning clocks, toasters and the like and put them
right despite never having seen them working, then
a Ham Radio licence is your traditional route! There has
never been a shortage of such people, and those who gravitate
towards such an interest have always been welcomed into
our shacks and their interests fostered. There is not today,
nor has there ever been, a need to go out and encourage
and press children, children who have never expressed an
interest in Ham Radio, to come into our shacks. Such an
activity should cause eyebrows to be raised - what
normal well-adjusted adults seek the social acquaintance
of children?!

-----ooooo-----

Please remember that this FAQ is a _POSITIVE EXHORTATION_
to you to exert yourselves to join our fraternity!