"Michael Black" wrote in message
news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1512051037460.16706@darkstar. example.org...
Most threads he starts can be interpreted as on topic, and an excuse to
post something on topic.

Indeed they are just that, and also a defence by a decent right-thinking
individual
against the infantile and anti-social effluent that comes from so many
others.

I've been a subscriber to uk.radio.amateur for 21 years and am increasingly
concerned
that a cornerstone of amateur radio in Brit is being driven down from its
position as an exemplar of gentlemanly and technical discussion, and so I
try to
fly the flag for those traditions.

As I said elsewhere, 43 years ago I completed an electronics degree,
specialising
in computers and communications, and am now in a position as a retired
engineer
to discuss those things that puzzled me and which were never explained at
the time in the rush to
be able to regurgitate facts in order to pass exams. I have assumed,
possibly wrongly,
that the spirit of enquiry and technical curiosity was what motivated all
radio amateurs.

I'm a great believer that education should deliver understanding as opposed
to training that
only delivers knowledge.

If you had a teenage daughter, which would you prefer her to receive, sex
education or sex training?

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 16:12:31 -0000, "gareth"
wrote:

As I said elsewhere, 43 years ago I completed an electronics degree,
specialising in computers and communications, and am now in a position
as a retired engineer to discuss those things that puzzled me and
which were never explained ...

Retired engineer with a degree? I would never have suspected that you
had any level of electronic competence beyond basic dabbling, much
less an engineering degree, which incidentally doesn't exist unless
you obtained a general engineering degree. Which university, what
degree, and in what year did you graduate (presumably 1972)? I want
to verify your claims.

Citing from
(And that is despite that in my last 10 years of gainful employment
I was designing test eqpt for mobile phone development!)

10 years designing test equipment should have given you considerable
experience in radio techniques, terminology, and in particular
standards. Yet, you seem to lack the relevant technical vocabulary
preferring CB lingo over proper engineering terms. You've also never
mentioned any testing RF testing standards. It's also odd that you
claim to have worked in the industry, yet have never offered an
anecdote, story, math, or calculation from your unspecified years of
employment. Something is wrong here.

I'm a great believer that education should deliver understanding as opposed
to training that only delivers knowledge.

This is not directed at you in particular, but in my never humble
opinion and limited experience in edukation, the best that can be done
is to overload the student with as much relevant and diverse
knowledge, facts, and techniques as possible. What they do with it
will be determined after they graduate and go to work. Experience is
the best teacher.

At the time I graduated (1971) college, teaching methods revolved
around independent thinking. Collaboration was deemed cheating.
Teamwork was tolerated only if there was a shortage of lab equipment.
All that has fortunately changed today, but it left it's mark on me. I
initially had a VERY difficult time working with other engineers and
technicians simply because I had never done it in skool.

If you had a teenage daughter, which would you prefer her to receive, sex
education or sex training?

There's not much you can tell a teenager. They already know
everything.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

give me my cat back .....
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 21:02:33 -0000, "Jimbo in the Borders ..."
wrote:

give me my cat back .....
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html

That's my neighbors cat and laptop. Cats like to be where it's warm.
I had just tried to move her so I could use the laptop, but she had
other ideas, which explains the her expression. I settled for a bad
photo and found another computer.

You can't have her because she's solely responsible for clearing the
neighborhood of various rodents. Last week, she chased away a much
larger bobcat that was trying to attack the chicken coop.

Unfortunately, she's quite old and may not be around for much longer.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 21:02:33 -0000, "Jimbo in the Borders ..."
wrote:

give me my cat back .....
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html

That's my neighbors cat and laptop. Cats like to be where it's warm.
I had just tried to move her so I could use the laptop, but she had
other ideas, which explains the her expression. I settled for a bad
photo and found another computer.

You can't have her because she's solely responsible for clearing the
neighborhood of various rodents. Last week, she chased away a much
larger bobcat that was trying to attack the chicken coop.

Unfortunately, she's quite old and may not be around for much longer.

mine is the uglyist fat cat in the world .....

At 21:14:53 on Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Jimbo in the Borders ...
wrote in :


"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 21:02:33 -0000, "Jimbo in the Borders ..."
wrote:

give me my cat back .....
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html

That's my neighbors cat and laptop. Cats like to be where it's warm.
I had just tried to move her so I could use the laptop, but she had
other ideas, which explains the her expression. I settled for a bad
photo and found another computer.

You can't have her because she's solely responsible for clearing the
neighborhood of various rodents. Last week, she chased away a much
larger bobcat that was trying to attack the chicken coop.

Unfortunately, she's quite old and may not be around for much longer.

mine is the uglyist fat cat in the world .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytQehQJXpow
--
Molly - I don't speak for the Committee. I speak for me.
Nature loves variety. Unfortunately, society hates it. (Milton
Diamond Ph.D.)
My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not be so for ever.

"Jimbo in the Borders ..." wrote in message
...
give me my cat back .....
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dri...at-warmer.html

https://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo?...id=20931998436

On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 12:57:39 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 16:12:31 -0000, "gareth"
wrote:

As I said elsewhere, 43 years ago I completed an electronics degree,
specialising in computers and communications, and am now in a position
as a retired engineer to discuss those things that puzzled me and which
were never explained ...

Retired engineer with a degree? I would never have suspected that you
had any level of electronic competence beyond basic dabbling, much less
an engineering degree, which incidentally doesn't exist unless you
obtained a general engineering degree. Which university, what degree,
and in what year did you graduate (presumably 1972)? I want to verify
your claims.

Citing from
(And that is despite that in my last 10 years of gainful employment I
was designing test eqpt for mobile phone development!)

10 years designing test equipment should have given you considerable
experience in radio techniques, terminology, and in particular
standards. Yet, you seem to lack the relevant technical vocabulary
preferring CB lingo over proper engineering terms. You've also never
mentioned any testing RF testing standards. It's also odd that you
claim to have worked in the industry, yet have never offered an
anecdote, story, math, or calculation from your unspecified years of
employment. Something is wrong here.

I'm a great believer that education should deliver understanding as
opposed to training that only delivers knowledge.

This is not directed at you in particular, but in my never humble
opinion and limited experience in edukation, the best that can be done
is to overload the student with as much relevant and diverse knowledge,
facts, and techniques as possible. What they do with it will be
determined after they graduate and go to work. Experience is the best
teacher.

At the time I graduated (1971) college, teaching methods revolved around
independent thinking. Collaboration was deemed cheating. Teamwork was
tolerated only if there was a shortage of lab equipment. All that has
fortunately changed today, but it left it's mark on me. I initially had
a VERY difficult time working with other engineers and technicians
simply because I had never done it in skool.

If you had a teenage daughter, which would you prefer her to receive,
sex education or sex training?

There's not much you can tell a teenager. They already know everything.

Re-posting as Gareth claims to have kill-filed you.

On 5 Dec 2015 21:04:53 GMT, NoOb wrote:

Re-posting as Gareth claims to have kill-filed you.

Sigh. I wish you hadn't done that. I wanted to see if he really had
kill filed me. Probably not. I can't resist the temptation, and I'm
fairly certain he can't either. Even the most disagreeable people
sometimes say something interesting or useful. I do have some people
in my kill file list, but they're all chronic spammers.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 13:18:06 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On 5 Dec 2015 21:04:53 GMT, NoOb wrote:

Re-posting as Gareth claims to have kill-filed you.

Sigh. I wish you hadn't done that. I wanted to see if he really had
kill filed me. Probably not. I can't resist the temptation, and I'm
fairly certain he can't either. Even the most disagreeable people
sometimes say something interesting or useful. I do have some people in
my kill file list, but they're all chronic spammers.

Oh ye of little faith. I haven't spoiled the test, only doubled it.