1. I ID every time I post. If you can't figure it out, it goes to show
your lack of attention to detail.
2. You started pushing your trip trap about fractal antennas when? Was
it 1999-ish? I have yet to see a single commercial offering of such
antennas. Draw your own conclusions there.

You mean you don't remember the sound thrashing I gave you last time,
when you got all defensive and evasive when asked for more performance
data on the antennas? I was willing to give you the benefit of the
doubt then, but you proved to me that your claims then were unfounded
and without basis, either in practical application or in theory.

I don't see a future for either BPL or fractal antennas.

'But they radiate!!" you say.. yeah, so do my rain gutters.

-SSB

Fractenna wrote:

Don't follow...are you saying that fractal antennas don't have a future? Why
would you say this?

It's a bit off topic, but if you know something I don't on this subject, it
would be a wonderful opportunity to learn. Feel free to ID and e-mail me off
NG.

73,
Chip N1IR

1. I ID every time I post. If you can't figure it out, it goes to show

No, there is no positive ID.

your lack of attention to detail.

2. You started pushing your trip trap about fractal antennas when?

My discovery dates to 1988.

Was
it 1999-ish? I have yet to see a single commercial offering of such
antennas.

Well, let's see... today I worked on 6 different project/ orders for customers,
and three were commercial ones. Two were, well, something else:-) The other was
product dev.

The staff worked on 4 commercial ones.

At any given time there are anywhere many different commercial orders for
various different designs. Ergo, I respect the fact that your knowledge is
incomplete, and certainly not factually based. Happy to discuss this with your
further off line if you wish.

Draw your own conclusions there.


Money in the bank:-)

You mean you don't remember the sound thrashing I gave you last time,
when you got all defensive and evasive when asked for more performance
data on the antennas?

Nope. That's not factually true, and I don't know who you are. Who are you?

I was willing to give you the benefit of the
doubt then, but you proved to me that your claims then were unfounded
and without basis, either in practical application or in theory.


Hmmm...let's take oh, one wee example: what are the geometrical requirements
for frequency invariance? Who found them? What do they have to do with
fractals?

I don't see a future for either BPL or fractal antennas.


I appreciate your opinion.

Being somewhat better informed on the facts, I have a compelling reason to
opine that you are incorrect.


'But they radiate!!" you say.. yeah, so do my rain gutters.

I never, ever, said this.

-SSB

Love to know who you are, and to take this of-NG, as I requested.

With best wishes,
Chip N1IR

1. I ID every time I post. If you can't figure it out, it goes to show

A friend says you are a truckdriver in Michigan. Is this true? If so, it is
important to know your perspective given your comments.

Mind you, truckdriving is a noble and important job--but says nothing about a
knowledge base on antenna technologies; BPL; and so on.

Oh well, nice to beep ya!

10-4 there good buddy!

Chip N1IR

Hrm...

Anyone else see the callsign in my post? Fracky here doesn't see it.
(It's blatantly obvious if you know where to look.)

Yes, I drive truck, by choice. I own two of them, as a matter of fact.
I paid taxes on over $150K last year. I'm a successful independent
business man. How'd you do last year?

Prior to that, I was a regional tech support manager for Bay Networks.
I was making a 6-figure salary there, too. Got burned out and decided
to do something a bit less stressful. It works for me.

Prior to that I taught electronics at a trade school in Salt Lake
City, UT.

Prior to that I was enlisted in the USMC, where I was a networking
technician, small computer systems technician, and was stationed with
1st MarDiv G-6 on mainside, MCB Camp Pendelton, and 11th Marines on
Las Pulgas, Camp Pendelton.

Who's your friend, anyway? Doug, N8WWM? George, WA3MOJ? Known trolls
in rec.radio.cb.

CB is required for my job, so there's that. I also have HF and VHF
gear in the truck, and am licensed to use it all.

Since when is someone's choice of employment indicative of their
intelligence or abilities in other fields? Look up the definition of
Amateur in the dictionary, Fracky.

As for your implied insult, sugar-coated as it was, it didn't hit
home. Try again, Trollboi.

And if you'd ever care to supply that performance data that I asked
for oh, so many years ago, I'd still be interested in seeing it. I'd
like gain figures, and directivity figures of your 10M fractal against
a balun fed 10M dipole oriented in the same direction at the same
height above ground, on the same frequency.

-SSB


Fractenna wrote:

1. I ID every time I post. If you can't figure it out, it goes to show


A friend says you are a truckdriver in Michigan. Is this true? If so, it is
important to know your perspective given your comments.

Mind you, truckdriving is a noble and important job--but says nothing about a
knowledge base on antenna technologies; BPL; and so on.

Oh well, nice to beep ya!

10-4 there good buddy!

Chip N1IR

I'd
like gain figures, and directivity figures of your 10M fractal against
a balun fed 10M dipole oriented in the same direction at the same
height above ground,...

Two element 10M FQY= 4dBd compared to such a dipole; F/B about 20 dB at that
gain. Last version had bandwidth of 1.5 MHz for 2:1 SWR.

You can see a professional 3 el version for a higher frequency on the slideshow
gif on www.fractenna.com.

From what I've seen, about 50 science fairs have had these quads over the
years. Always happy to help those who are polite and have legitimate interests,
such as students.

Chris, when someone pays you a compliment, don't take it as an insult to your
intelligence. Truck driving is AOK with me; I have relatives out your way who
drive trucks.

So, when are we goin' fishin'?

73,
Chip N1IR

Who's your friend, anyway? Doug, N8WWM? George, WA3MOJ? Known trolls
in rec.radio.cb.

Don't know who these folks are.

73,
Chip N1IR

Buuuut you still don't answer the question... Didn't think you would,
but had to ask anyway.

-SSB

Fractenna wrote:

Who's your friend, anyway? Doug, N8WWM? George, WA3MOJ? Known trolls
in rec.radio.cb.


Don't know who these folks are.

73,
Chip N1IR

Who's your friend, anyway? Doug, N8WWM? George, WA3MOJ? Known trolls
in rec.radio.cb.


Don't know who these folks are.

73,
Chip N1IR

It's not someone you know. It's someone I know. That's your answer. Don't be
paranoid:-).

73,
Chip N1IR

(Fractenna) wrote in message

My discovery dates to 1988.

Oh really....Why do you say: "Self-similar antennas have been known
since Mushiake's 1948 work on self-complementary designs". Did you
change names?
I assume you darken your hair? Add some in the middle with spray
paint? You would be a definite old fart to have done that in 1948.
Oh...I get it now....You "reinvented" the self-complementary design
that was first pioneered by Mushiake and then decided to call it a
fractal, being he neglected to use that term when describing the same
thing. Crafty little weasel he is, that Chip..Did you invent the
dipole? It's a fractal. A simple version, but it's a fractal. I had a
storebought fractal UHF TV antenna 30+ years ago. I bought it at radio
shack. You'll need to sue them to maintain the status quo. The way I
see it, you really didn't "discover" anything. You just picked out an
obscure, already known, form of antenna, and "discovered" a new more
stylish name for it. MK

You just picked out an
obscure, already known, form of antenna, and "discovered" a new more
stylish name for it. MK

That life was so easy:-)

No Mark, I'm afraid (for you) there's more to it than that..

You have taken two statements that relate to different things, and tried to
confuse people by combining them as one.

I believe the history of self similar antennas has been well documented in my
publications, and the relevant excerpts are publicly available.

In any case, this is a BPL thread and you and I have already expressed our
thoughts on that subject.

73,
Chip N1IR