1. I ID every time I post. If you can't figure it out, it goes to show
your lack of attention to detail.

Hmmm...here's what I believe to be relevant; this knowledge may be incomplete
or wrong. Kindly correct? Apologies if wrong. No slight meant in any way. Still
don't know your proper callsign..assuming you have one.

You're named Chris.

You operate out of Michigan. Livingston.You live in the next town over
(Howell).

Most of the time you drive big rigs down the southern corridor into Nashville
and beyond.

You stop and eat often in E-Town Kentucky and don't like Po-Folks restaurant.
You eat at Cracker Barrel, but they all look the same...same fare.

Divorced? Two kids?

Me-a-n fisherman. Fish fear you. Prefer big mouth bass.

Sounds cool! Let me know the next time you're out fishin in KY!

73,
Chip N1IR

"Fractenna"
You're named Chris... snip
73,
Chip N1IR

Nathan, you're still an asshole.

Let's pick this one apart....

Fractenna wrote:

1. I ID every time I post. If you can't figure it out, it goes to show
your lack of attention to detail.


Hmmm...here's what I believe to be relevant; this knowledge may be incomplete
or wrong. Kindly correct? Apologies if wrong. No slight meant in any way. Still
don't know your proper callsign..assuming you have one.

You're named Chris.

That's correct
You operate out of Michigan. Livingston.You live in the next town over
(Howell).

Yep.
Most of the time you drive big rigs down the southern corridor into Nashville
and beyond.

That information is a few years old. I run a regional route from
Illinois over to Mass, down to VA.
You stop and eat often in E-Town Kentucky and don't like Po-Folks restaurant.
You eat at Cracker Barrel, but they all look the same...same fare.

I have nothing against Po-Folks. I only rarely stopped in E-Town. I
like Cracker Barrel, but much prefer Outback or Chilis. Hard to get a
big-rig into either of those during business hours, so I usually eat
at the truckstops. Nope. Wrong there.
Divorced? Two kids?

Divorced. No kids.
Me-a-n fisherman. Fish fear you. Prefer big mouth bass.

Nope. Catfish and Trout. No time for it since I started my new
business, though. That's one of the things I miss.
Sounds cool! Let me know the next time you're out fishin in KY!

That's not going to happen any time soon. No time, and no desire to
get within 100 yards of you. At least not until you can show you're
man enough to provide the data I requested on your fractal antennae.
Even then, I'm not sure I want that much to do with you.

73,
Chip N1IR

Oh, and I am licensed. In fact I went from 22 years on just CB to
Extra in 6 months, without having to study anything except the Code.
I'm dyslexic, so I had quite the time with that. Took me three tries
to pass the code, but I did it, without a waiver.

So just take the "you're not smart enough to have an intelligent
conversation about antennas" attitude and point it elsewhere.

-SSB

Oh, and I am licensed. In fact I went from 22 years on just CB to
Extra in 6 months, without having to study anything except the Code.
I'm dyslexic, so I had quite the time with that. Took me three tries
to pass the code, but I did it, without a waiver.

Congrats on the persistence!

Back when I took the extra, you had to send 20 WPM --with a straight
key--unless you were rich enough to have and bring a keyer--they weren't small
or built-in those days! I think I could still send 20 WPM on a straight key,
but I'm sure my arm would cramp up real fast.

The first time I took the general, I failed on the code copy. I bought one of
those code LP's (I'm old, I know) and then studied a little. Failed again.
That very night, I sat copying W1AW and did so for 30 nights straight.

Then I passed the exam.

Good life lesson for a youngster.

73,
Chip N1IR

I'm young.. but I'm not that young.. I remember 8-tracks, and they
were still popular while I was a child. I still have LP's, and a
player that works to play them on. Besides, Vinyl Sounds Better.

I got into Amateur radio later in life. In fact, I've not yet been
licensed for 4 years. This still doesn't speak to my knowledge in this
area.

I'll be the first to admit I have things to learn, and I'm no expert
in any one area. I do know what I've experienced with BPL, and it's
not been pleasant. Just ask the folks around the Orlando, Florida
area... Their BPL tests can be heard all the way across the state in
Titusville, and so greatly that it interferes with communications.

-SSB

Fractenna wrote:

Oh, and I am licensed. In fact I went from 22 years on just CB to
Extra in 6 months, without having to study anything except the Code.
I'm dyslexic, so I had quite the time with that. Took me three tries
to pass the code, but I did it, without a waiver.


Congrats on the persistence!

Back when I took the extra, you had to send 20 WPM --with a straight
key--unless you were rich enough to have and bring a keyer--they weren't small
or built-in those days! I think I could still send 20 WPM on a straight key,
but I'm sure my arm would cramp up real fast.

The first time I took the general, I failed on the code copy. I bought one of
those code LP's (I'm old, I know) and then studied a little. Failed again.
That very night, I sat copying W1AW and did so for 30 nights straight.

Then I passed the exam.

Good life lesson for a youngster.

73,
Chip N1IR

sideband wrote in message
I'll be the first to admit I have things to learn, and I'm no expert
in any one area. I do know what I've experienced with BPL, and it's
not been pleasant. Just ask the folks around the Orlando, Florida
area... Their BPL tests can be heard all the way across the state in
Titusville, and so greatly that it interferes with communications.


Money talks, and common sense and real world reports take a walk. In
most cases anyway. Some companies have already tried and discarded
BPL. Problems o-plenty. Maybe others will see the light. The dark side
has won a major battle, and Darth Chipster gloateth o-plenty, but the
day is not lost yet. My R2 unit, "henry 2k console model", is jumping
around beeping and squeaking just itching to join the battle. If they
attack locally, I will give them sporadic shots of my BPL death beam
via my various elevated radiating devices. I'll have them locking up
like a J38 model speedsters hitting a canyon wall. The F.C.C brass
should be flogged with leather whips for the obvious disregard of the
currents users of the HF spectrum. It's all about money...Nothing
else. All the reports of problems with the systems were ignored.
"Except by some owners, who dropped out of the BPL testing"
Also, many claims are pretty hokey...IE: they claim that they can null
out problem frequencies, IE:, aircraft, etc, etc. But I hear of
problems doing this. I hear it's not really that feasable if they want
to maintain proper operation, and I also hear it doesn't really cure
the problem, as the "nulling device" is not far from the user.
Take just aircraft alone...We are talking nulling say 2-3 mhz, 6 mhz,
8 mhz, 10 mhz, 11 mhz, 13 mhz, 17 mhz, 21 mhz, 27 mhz, just for a
few...I may have missed some military bands, etc...
I have heard of no notching plans for amateur bands, so I guess we
have to go to rf noise hell...
I bet the system will work great with all those notched
holes...Not....

They still will be radiating those freq's on the main lines I would
think. It's the biggest money grubbing farce I've ever heard of. Heck,
with my radios and antennas, they could probably be blocks or even
miles away, and I could still hear it. The Florida experience backs me
up on this. I'm not just barking at the moon. Bye bye weak DX....Bye
bye weak aircraft signals. Bye bye any rf weaklings...QRp will be
extra fun being half the country will probably soon have their ears
plugged with digital spew.
But, I bet they will hear me too, if the leakage is that bad... It
will be a bad day for the empire if my R2 unit joins the fray. I'll
keep those BPL techs a hopping all over the neighborhood. Remember,
most of the speculation is about damage to the hams, etc... But don't
ignore the damage all the 1000's of hams and other rf emitting device
owners will likely cause them. CB's will have to deal with them also,
and you know how nasty signaled some cb'ers can get. I hear some 4-5
mhz wide as it is... I don't think they have really fully taken this
into account yet. MK

On 16 Oct 2004 20:31:55 -0700, (Mark Keith) wrote:

|sideband wrote in message
| I'll be the first to admit I have things to learn, and I'm no expert
| in any one area. I do know what I've experienced with BPL, and it's
| not been pleasant. Just ask the folks around the Orlando, Florida
| area... Their BPL tests can be heard all the way across the state in
| Titusville, and so greatly that it interferes with communications.
|
|
|Money talks, and common sense and real world reports take a walk. In
|most cases anyway. Some companies have already tried and discarded
|BPL. Problems o-plenty. Maybe others will see the light. The dark side
|has won a major battle, and Darth Chipster gloateth o-plenty, but the
|day is not lost yet. My R2 unit, "henry 2k console model", is jumping
|around beeping and squeaking just itching to join the battle. If they
|attack locally, I will give them sporadic shots of my BPL death beam
|via my various elevated radiating devices. I'll have them locking up
|like a J38 model speedsters hitting a canyon wall. The F.C.C brass
|should be flogged with leather whips for the obvious disregard of the
|currents users of the HF spectrum. It's all about money...Nothing
|else. All the reports of problems with the systems were ignored.
|"Except by some owners, who dropped out of the BPL testing"
|Also, many claims are pretty hokey...IE: they claim that they can null
|out problem frequencies, IE:, aircraft, etc, etc. But I hear of
|problems doing this. I hear it's not really that feasable if they want
|to maintain proper operation, and I also hear it doesn't really cure
|the problem, as the "nulling device" is not far from the user.
|Take just aircraft alone...We are talking nulling say 2-3 mhz, 6 mhz,
|8 mhz, 10 mhz, 11 mhz, 13 mhz, 17 mhz, 21 mhz, 27 mhz, just for a
|few...I may have missed some military bands, etc...
|I have heard of no notching plans for amateur bands, so I guess we
|have to go to rf noise hell...
|I bet the system will work great with all those notched
|holes...Not....
|
|They still will be radiating those freq's on the main lines I would
|think. It's the biggest money grubbing farce I've ever heard of. Heck,
|with my radios and antennas, they could probably be blocks or even
|miles away, and I could still hear it. The Florida experience backs me
|up on this. I'm not just barking at the moon. Bye bye weak DX....Bye
|bye weak aircraft signals. Bye bye any rf weaklings...QRp will be
|extra fun being half the country will probably soon have their ears
|plugged with digital spew.
|But, I bet they will hear me too, if the leakage is that bad... It
|will be a bad day for the empire if my R2 unit joins the fray. I'll
|keep those BPL techs a hopping all over the neighborhood. Remember,
|most of the speculation is about damage to the hams, etc... But don't
|ignore the damage all the 1000's of hams and other rf emitting device
|owners will likely cause them. CB's will have to deal with them also,
|and you know how nasty signaled some cb'ers can get. I hear some 4-5
|mhz wide as it is... I don't think they have really fully taken this
|into account yet. MK

Exactly.

I'm pretty sure that I've mentioned much of the following before but
just in case...

My power company is a rural cooperative. It serves 29,000 customers
spread over three counties. (one of these counties is larger than a
few states.) It has 2900 miles of line (and I don't think that covers
the 600' of underground feeder from the pole to my house). They serve
from the river bottom land near Tucson to the top of a 9800' mountain
and a community on the Mexican border. The company is also my ISP.

A few years ago I was fighting powerline noise and not getting a lot
of help from the company. It wasn't for lack of interest on their
part, they just didn't have the resources or trained personnel to
isolate the problem(s). I basically wound up instructing their
linemen about what to try.

During this time I wound up in contact with the company VP in charge
of new technology. We had an interesting one-engineer-to-another
conversation wherein he told me that they had experimented with a
system to read customers' meters remotely using "common-carrier"
signals on the lines. Sending guys around the service area in pickup
trucks once a month to read meters was a big expense so they had a
compelling motive to pull this off. They failed.

Even with very narrow-band, low-speed signaling, they couldn't even
read a meter once a month. They finally went to meters with
transmitters in them that can be read without the guy having to get
out of his truck and walk around with the rattlesnakes.

And they're going to supply me with high speed Internet over the same
wires?

And they're going to supply me with high speed Internet over the same
wires?

Those 60kV twisted pair lines are on order

--
KC6ETE Dave's Engineering Page, www.dvanhorn.org
Microcontroller Consultant, specializing in Atmel AVR

"Wes Stewart" wrote in message
...
On 16 Oct 2004 20:31:55 -0700, (Mark Keith) wrote:

|sideband wrote in message
| I'll be the first to admit I have things to learn, and I'm no expert
| in any one area. I do know what I've experienced with BPL, and it's
| not been pleasant. Just ask the folks around the Orlando, Florida
| area... Their BPL tests can be heard all the way across the state in
| Titusville, and so greatly that it interferes with communications.
|
|
|Money talks, and common sense and real world reports take a walk. In
|most cases anyway. Some companies have already tried and discarded
|BPL. Problems o-plenty. Maybe others will see the light. The dark side
|has won a major battle, and Darth Chipster gloateth o-plenty, but the
|day is not lost yet. My R2 unit, "henry 2k console model", is jumping
|around beeping and squeaking just itching to join the battle. If they
|attack locally, I will give them sporadic shots of my BPL death beam
|via my various elevated radiating devices. I'll have them locking up
|like a J38 model speedsters hitting a canyon wall. The F.C.C brass
|should be flogged with leather whips for the obvious disregard of the
|currents users of the HF spectrum. It's all about money...Nothing
|else. All the reports of problems with the systems were ignored.
|"Except by some owners, who dropped out of the BPL testing"
|Also, many claims are pretty hokey...IE: they claim that they can null
|out problem frequencies, IE:, aircraft, etc, etc. But I hear of
|problems doing this. I hear it's not really that feasable if they want
|to maintain proper operation, and I also hear it doesn't really cure
|the problem, as the "nulling device" is not far from the user.
|Take just aircraft alone...We are talking nulling say 2-3 mhz, 6 mhz,
|8 mhz, 10 mhz, 11 mhz, 13 mhz, 17 mhz, 21 mhz, 27 mhz, just for a
|few...I may have missed some military bands, etc...
|I have heard of no notching plans for amateur bands, so I guess we
|have to go to rf noise hell...
|I bet the system will work great with all those notched
|holes...Not....
|
|They still will be radiating those freq's on the main lines I would
|think. It's the biggest money grubbing farce I've ever heard of. Heck,
|with my radios and antennas, they could probably be blocks or even
|miles away, and I could still hear it. The Florida experience backs me
|up on this. I'm not just barking at the moon. Bye bye weak DX....Bye
|bye weak aircraft signals. Bye bye any rf weaklings...QRp will be
|extra fun being half the country will probably soon have their ears
|plugged with digital spew.
|But, I bet they will hear me too, if the leakage is that bad... It
|will be a bad day for the empire if my R2 unit joins the fray. I'll
|keep those BPL techs a hopping all over the neighborhood. Remember,
|most of the speculation is about damage to the hams, etc... But don't
|ignore the damage all the 1000's of hams and other rf emitting device
|owners will likely cause them. CB's will have to deal with them also,
|and you know how nasty signaled some cb'ers can get. I hear some 4-5
|mhz wide as it is... I don't think they have really fully taken this
|into account yet. MK

Exactly.

I'm pretty sure that I've mentioned much of the following before but
just in case...

My power company is a rural cooperative. It serves 29,000 customers
spread over three counties. (one of these counties is larger than a
few states.) It has 2900 miles of line (and I don't think that covers
the 600' of underground feeder from the pole to my house). They serve
from the river bottom land near Tucson to the top of a 9800' mountain
and a community on the Mexican border. The company is also my ISP.

A few years ago I was fighting powerline noise and not getting a lot
of help from the company. It wasn't for lack of interest on their
part, they just didn't have the resources or trained personnel to
isolate the problem(s). I basically wound up instructing their
linemen about what to try.

During this time I wound up in contact with the company VP in charge
of new technology. We had an interesting one-engineer-to-another
conversation wherein he told me that they had experimented with a
system to read customers' meters remotely using "common-carrier"
signals on the lines. Sending guys around the service area in pickup
trucks once a month to read meters was a big expense so they had a
compelling motive to pull this off. They failed.

Even with very narrow-band, low-speed signaling, they couldn't even
read a meter once a month. They finally went to meters with
transmitters in them that can be read without the guy having to get
out of his truck and walk around with the rattlesnakes.

And they're going to supply me with high speed Internet over the same
wires?

And don't forget the power line noise will tear this digital trash a new
one. Here in Alabama it will be a toss up of which is worse. The BPL or
the PL Noise. I bet on the PL noise winning. If not then perhaps my KW
beacon on all bands will.

Dan/W4NTI

"Mark Keith" wrote in message
om...
sideband wrote in message
I'll be the first to admit I have things to learn, and I'm no expert
in any one area. I do know what I've experienced with BPL, and it's
not been pleasant. Just ask the folks around the Orlando, Florida
area... Their BPL tests can be heard all the way across the state in
Titusville, and so greatly that it interferes with communications.


Money talks, and common sense and real world reports take a walk. In
most cases anyway. Some companies have already tried and discarded
BPL. Problems o-plenty. Maybe others will see the light. The dark side
has won a major battle, and Darth Chipster gloateth o-plenty, but the
day is not lost yet. My R2 unit, "henry 2k console model", is jumping
around beeping and squeaking just itching to join the battle. If they
attack locally, I will give them sporadic shots of my BPL death beam
via my various elevated radiating devices. I'll have them locking up
like a J38 model speedsters hitting a canyon wall. The F.C.C brass
should be flogged with leather whips for the obvious disregard of the
currents users of the HF spectrum. It's all about money...Nothing
else. All the reports of problems with the systems were ignored.
"Except by some owners, who dropped out of the BPL testing"
Also, many claims are pretty hokey...IE: they claim that they can null
out problem frequencies, IE:, aircraft, etc, etc. But I hear of
problems doing this. I hear it's not really that feasable if they want
to maintain proper operation, and I also hear it doesn't really cure
the problem, as the "nulling device" is not far from the user.
Take just aircraft alone...We are talking nulling say 2-3 mhz, 6 mhz,
8 mhz, 10 mhz, 11 mhz, 13 mhz, 17 mhz, 21 mhz, 27 mhz, just for a
few...I may have missed some military bands, etc...
I have heard of no notching plans for amateur bands, so I guess we
have to go to rf noise hell...
I bet the system will work great with all those notched
holes...Not....

They still will be radiating those freq's on the main lines I would
think. It's the biggest money grubbing farce I've ever heard of. Heck,
with my radios and antennas, they could probably be blocks or even
miles away, and I could still hear it. The Florida experience backs me
up on this. I'm not just barking at the moon. Bye bye weak DX....Bye
bye weak aircraft signals. Bye bye any rf weaklings...QRp will be
extra fun being half the country will probably soon have their ears
plugged with digital spew.
But, I bet they will hear me too, if the leakage is that bad... It
will be a bad day for the empire if my R2 unit joins the fray. I'll
keep those BPL techs a hopping all over the neighborhood. Remember,
most of the speculation is about damage to the hams, etc... But don't
ignore the damage all the 1000's of hams and other rf emitting device
owners will likely cause them. CB's will have to deal with them also,
and you know how nasty signaled some cb'ers can get. I hear some 4-5
mhz wide as it is... I don't think they have really fully taken this
into account yet. MK

I WISH I had a CBer that narrow. My 'good buddy' puts out a S9 plus from
14 to 50 MHz.

Dan/W4NTI