On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 19:50:15 -0500, J. Teske
wrote:
According to scholars the version you cited
(which admittedly is more often seen) came about when posters were
published years ago for comsumption by engineers and written by
engineers who should have stuck to Pig Latin...

Hi OM,

Umm, not my source (although my cohort). Check with John Ciardi's
"Good Words to You." He follows you closer, but there is no
"noncarborundum." As many of John's entries derive from the military,
I bet this one does too (which is where I heard it first 35 years ago
anyway).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:50:04 -0500, J. Teske
wrote:

Illegitimi noncarborundum

It is Non Illegitimus Carborundum

It just depends on how many of the *******s there are, Richard! 8^)


- Mike KB3EIA -

J. Teske wrote:

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:55:52 GMT, Richard Clark
wrote:


On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:50:04 -0500, J. Teske
wrote:

Illegitimi noncarborundum

It is Non Illegitimus Carborundum


Not if you have more than one *******! -us ending = singular.

"Non" refers to the verb and must be next to it, otherwise you have a
Latin equivalent of a split infinitive and we must always try to never
split infinitives. According to scholars the version you cited
(which admittedly is more often seen) came about when posters were
published years ago for comsumption by engineers and written by
engineers who should have stuck to Pig Latin...in which case it would
be:

Ontday etlay hetay astardsbay rindgay ouyay ownday. :-)


I cana beata neone ina gama dominos.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Anyone willing to take on "data" and "datum?"

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:44:02 -0500, Mike Coslo
wrote:




I cana beata neone ina gama dominos.

I think I heard that one in one of my rare sojourns into a Catholic
Church in the old days.

I think the next line set the stakes"

"Dominos pro Nabiscos."

Jon W3JT

- Mike KB3EIA -

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:44:22 -0700, "Spike"
wrote:

Anyone willing to take on "data" and "datum?"

No!

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 01:02:20 GMT, Richard Clark
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 19:50:15 -0500, J. Teske
wrote:
According to scholars the version you cited
(which admittedly is more often seen) came about when posters were
published years ago for comsumption by engineers and written by
engineers who should have stuck to Pig Latin...

A googling will reveal several varients. A somewhat scholarly
discussion and a theory as to its origins can be found at
http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxillegi.html

I first heard it forty years ago when I was in college {English/French
major, not engineer}.

The discussion above credits General "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell as
popularizing the phrase when he gestingly took it as his motto.
The second time I heard it was from a famous cryptologist who actually
was on Stillwell's staff during WW II. [BTW I was a not-so-famous
cryptologist in my working life.]
The writer of the discussion attributes the phrase to British
Intelligence in WW II and having worked with these guys, I could
certainly believe it.

W3JT

Hi OM,

Umm, not my source (although my cohort). Check with John Ciardi's
"Good Words to You." He follows you closer, but there is no
"noncarborundum." As many of John's entries derive from the military,
I bet this one does too (which is where I heard it first 35 years ago
anyway).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

J. Teske wrote:
... we must always try to never split infinitives.

:-) good one. 73, Cecil, W5DXP


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Spike wrote:
Anyone willing to take on "data" and "datum?"


Too late - "data" have already been carborundumbed into the singular.


--
73 from Ian G3SEK 'In Practice' columnist for RadCom (RSGB)
http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek

Language corruption isn't always bad. Just a few nights ago I was
listening to the BBC World Service (rebroadcast here on public radio). A
(British) lady was expounding about the troubles of some American
government officials and their illegal-alien nannies. When asked if she
had a nanny, she hesitated, then said she did. And she added that any
revelation of impropriety on her behalf would be very "red-facening".

I thought it was, well, you know, like, whatever.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Ian White, G3SEK wrote:
Spike wrote:

Anyone willing to take on "data" and "datum?"


Too late - "data" have already been carborundumbed into the singular.