On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:50:04 -0500, J. Teske
wrote:
Illegitimi noncarborundum
It is Non Illegitimus Carborundum

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:55:52 GMT, Richard Clark
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:50:04 -0500, J. Teske
wrote:
Illegitimi noncarborundum
It is Non Illegitimus Carborundum

Not if you have more than one *******! -us ending = singular.

"Non" refers to the verb and must be next to it, otherwise you have a
Latin equivalent of a split infinitive and we must always try to never
split infinitives. According to scholars the version you cited
(which admittedly is more often seen) came about when posters were
published years ago for comsumption by engineers and written by
engineers who should have stuck to Pig Latin...in which case it would
be:

Ontday etlay hetay astardsbay rindgay ouyay ownday. :-)

W3JT Who is pentalingual, but as you might guess none of the five is
Latin.

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 19:50:15 -0500, J. Teske
wrote:
According to scholars the version you cited
(which admittedly is more often seen) came about when posters were
published years ago for comsumption by engineers and written by
engineers who should have stuck to Pig Latin...

Hi OM,

Umm, not my source (although my cohort). Check with John Ciardi's
"Good Words to You." He follows you closer, but there is no
"noncarborundum." As many of John's entries derive from the military,
I bet this one does too (which is where I heard it first 35 years ago
anyway).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 01:02:20 GMT, Richard Clark
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 19:50:15 -0500, J. Teske
wrote:
According to scholars the version you cited
(which admittedly is more often seen) came about when posters were
published years ago for comsumption by engineers and written by
engineers who should have stuck to Pig Latin...

A googling will reveal several varients. A somewhat scholarly
discussion and a theory as to its origins can be found at
http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxillegi.html

I first heard it forty years ago when I was in college {English/French
major, not engineer}.

The discussion above credits General "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell as
popularizing the phrase when he gestingly took it as his motto.
The second time I heard it was from a famous cryptologist who actually
was on Stillwell's staff during WW II. [BTW I was a not-so-famous
cryptologist in my working life.]
The writer of the discussion attributes the phrase to British
Intelligence in WW II and having worked with these guys, I could
certainly believe it.

W3JT

Hi OM,

Umm, not my source (although my cohort). Check with John Ciardi's
"Good Words to You." He follows you closer, but there is no
"noncarborundum." As many of John's entries derive from the military,
I bet this one does too (which is where I heard it first 35 years ago
anyway).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

J. Teske wrote:

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:55:52 GMT, Richard Clark
wrote:


On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:50:04 -0500, J. Teske
wrote:

Illegitimi noncarborundum

It is Non Illegitimus Carborundum


Not if you have more than one *******! -us ending = singular.

"Non" refers to the verb and must be next to it, otherwise you have a
Latin equivalent of a split infinitive and we must always try to never
split infinitives. According to scholars the version you cited
(which admittedly is more often seen) came about when posters were
published years ago for comsumption by engineers and written by
engineers who should have stuck to Pig Latin...in which case it would
be:

Ontday etlay hetay astardsbay rindgay ouyay ownday. :-)


I cana beata neone ina gama dominos.

- Mike KB3EIA -

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:44:02 -0500, Mike Coslo
wrote:




I cana beata neone ina gama dominos.

I think I heard that one in one of my rare sojourns into a Catholic
Church in the old days.

I think the next line set the stakes"

"Dominos pro Nabiscos."

Jon W3JT

- Mike KB3EIA -

Which reminds me of that elaborate hoax using a
seemingly ancient earthenware jar with the Latin-like
motto on it, "ITI SAPIS POTANDA BIGONE"

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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I cana beata neone ina gama dominos.

J. Teske wrote:
... we must always try to never split infinitives.

:-) good one. 73, Cecil, W5DXP


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And never start a sentence with a conjunction.

Don't never use double negatives.

A preposition is not something to end a sentence with.

Eschew obfuscation.

Single word sentences? Don't!

Even if a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed.

etc, etc.

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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J. Teske wrote:
... we must always try to never split infinitives.

:-) good one. 73, Cecil, W5DXP


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No it is Illegitimus non carborundum
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:50:04 -0500, J. Teske
wrote:
Illegitimi noncarborundum
It is Non Illegitimus Carborundum