Is the ARRL preparing a FAQ for amateurs who have scopes, spectrum
analyzers, or service monitors, etc., as to how they might go about
inspecting a suspected chunk of spectrum and how detect, identify,
qualify whey they see/hear?

Not at this time, Dan. I want to talk with amateurs who are going to go into
the trial areas, to share my experiences and to make sure I learn as much as
possible from theirs. FAQs are a great way for beginners to learn about a
subject, but some things are still best left to real dialogue.

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI

On 17 Oct 2003 11:15:24 GMT, (W1RFI) sent into the
ether:

Is the ARRL preparing a FAQ for amateurs who have scopes, spectrum
analyzers, or service monitors, etc., as to how they might go about
inspecting a suspected chunk of spectrum and how detect, identify,
qualify whey they see/hear?

Not at this time, Dan. I want to talk with amateurs who are going to go into
the trial areas, to share my experiences and to make sure I learn as much as
possible from theirs. FAQs are a great way for beginners to learn about a
subject, but some things are still best left to real dialogue.

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI


Hi Ed, good work. I probably missed it, but will ask anyway, is there
a list of the areas that are being tested? Anything in the Northern
IL or Southern WI areas?

Dan, N9JBF
Dan, N9JBF
Amateur radio - What a hobby!
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I probably missed it, but will ask anyway, is there
a list of the areas that are being tested? Anything in the Northern
IL or Southern WI areas?

Nothing in those areas, at least not for now. I have most of the locations
pinned down, but I have not posted them on a "public" URL. A few of the
utilities and one of the BPL manufacturers (Ambient) is being very cooperative.
One of the promises I made is that ARRL will help them determine the
interference potential of BPL systems, but that we will do it in a way that is
minimally disruptive to them. Having hordes of hams showing up in these areas
would probably not be a good idea, especially seeing as it would only take one
of the ones who offered to use the couplers for target practice to undermine
months of building good will.

If you are willing to do a more quiet foray into the test areas, email me and
let me know and I can provide some info, although it will be a good drive for
you.

I have posted the cities involved, and can repeat the list if it is needed.

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI

Having hordes of hams showing up in these areas
would probably not be a good idea, especially seeing as it would only take
one
of the ones who offered to use the couplers for target practice to
undermine
months of building good will.

Defnintely not fair play!

If you are willing to do a more quiet foray into the test areas, email me
and
let me know and I can provide some info, although it will be a good drive
for
you.

I have posted the cities involved, and can repeat the list if it is
needed.

I can do a quiet sniff within any reasonable distance of east central
indiana.

BTW: I was wondering exactly how you calibrate your system for field
strength values.

On 18 Oct 2003 20:32:45 GMT, (W1RFI) sent into the
ether:

I probably missed it, but will ask anyway, is there
a list of the areas that are being tested? Anything in the Northern
IL or Southern WI areas?

Nothing in those areas, at least not for now. I have most of the locations
pinned down, but I have not posted them on a "public" URL. A few of the
utilities and one of the BPL manufacturers (Ambient) is being very cooperative.
One of the promises I made is that ARRL will help them determine the
interference potential of BPL systems, but that we will do it in a way that is
minimally disruptive to them. Having hordes of hams showing up in these areas
would probably not be a good idea, especially seeing as it would only take one
of the ones who offered to use the couplers for target practice to undermine
months of building good will.

If you are willing to do a more quiet foray into the test areas, email me and
let me know and I can provide some info, although it will be a good drive for
you.

I have posted the cities involved, and can repeat the list if it is needed.

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI


I was just curious about the locations. I would be interested in
helping in my area, Mid to Southern WI or Northern IL. If anything
happens out this way, let me know if you need a hand.
Dan, N9JBF
Amateur radio - What a hobby!
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Has a radio station lost income because advertisers
are not having their messages heard by some listeners?
Have any radio stations complained of interference
of any sort ?

These people count much more than anybody because
they have money which means influence.
What would really count is to vote out the present
government so that it would cost twice as much as
was originaly thought as influence costs would
have to start all over again.
On the other hand is local broadcasting on the way out
together with ham radio? We appear to know everything that counts
so that with mystery gone so will curiousity. Our monthly magazine
is not eagerly awaited anymore as the first portion is really of
interest to the few and the second portion is devoted to
organisational business.
Seems like a lot of hams have migrated to the internet to discuss
items of interest.
You certainly do not hear technical discussions anymore
I personaly have not been on the air for ages
other than an occasional test, and I suspect that I am not alone.
Maybe it is time to move on and give up the frequencies anyway.
Do enjoy my RADCOM tho because it talks to me, not down to me
as someone who should get an education and rise up to the
publishers level. Frankly our membership and influence is dwindling
fast,
so maybe we would regain it back if we let this scheme go ahead so we
can
say ' we told you so ' rather than howling into the wind.
Since most things are now discussed on the internet rather than ham
radio
perhaps we should think more of what is best to the common interest,
perpetuating ham radio for the few old people until they die or
enlarging internet access for the many and for the future, something
that our hobby does not have.
Art

Please throw your rocks into this basket and not at me !
TIA


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On 7 Nov 2003 17:56:52 -0800, (Art Unwin KB9MZ)
wrote:

Has a radio station lost income because advertisers
are not having their messages heard by some listeners?
Have any radio stations complained of interference
of any sort ?

These people count much more than anybody because
they have money which means influence.

Unless they end up interfering with safety services and aviation.
how'd you like to have the airliner you are riding in suddenly lose
the glide slope on the way down the ILS in a heavy rain with a 200
foot ceiling?

What would really count is to vote out the present
government so that it would cost twice as much as
was originaly thought as influence costs would
have to start all over again.
On the other hand is local broadcasting on the way out

I don't support the local stations if that's what you mean. They and I
have had some disagreements.

together with ham radio? We appear to know everything that counts

I think that was said about Physics, Astronomy, and a number of other
fields way back in the eighteen hundreds too.

so that with mystery gone so will curiousity. Our monthly magazine
is not eagerly awaited anymore as the first portion is really of
interest to the few and the second portion is devoted to

What few. I read the adds and haven't had to pay for it in over 30
years.

organisational business.

Home brewing programmable QRP rigs and projects is becoming much more
popular in our area, although I still prefer QRO. I'm over hauling an
old Henry 2K4 that lost a bout with lightening although it survived
pretty well. Just the SWR circuitry and bias diode were fried.

Seems like a lot of hams have migrated to the internet to discuss
items of interest.
You certainly do not hear technical discussions anymore

Those make up about a quarter of what you hear on our local repeater
(147.00)

I personaly have not been on the air for ages
other than an occasional test, and I suspect that I am not alone.

I'm more active now than in the last 20 years.

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perhaps we should think more of what is best to the common interest,

Other than BPL doesn't do what they say. It still requires a broad
band cable to run along with it to feed the power line on the order of
every block or less. So what is the advantage of running BPL if you
already have the required broad band cable?

perpetuating ham radio for the few old people until they die or
enlarging internet access for the many and for the future, something
that our hobby does not have.

Novice classes and upgrading here in the Midland area are going great
with plans for a new class coming up. The choice now, is how much
upgrading to they want to add to the classes..

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

Art

Please throw your rocks into this basket and not at me !
TIA


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