I would like to bury my coax for a distance of about 20ft. The location
consist of 6" of crushed decorative rocks over the top of very rocky soil.

I intend to take the LMR-400 coax and push it through a garden hose to add
a layer of protection. However, I am worried that condensation will
quickly fill the airspace of the hose with water and it will either
penetrate the coax outer jacket or interfere with the performance of it in
some unknown negative way.

I can not flood the garden hose with petroleum oil as it will soon eat
through the PVC jacket of the coax or garden hose. Ideally, I would like
to flood the hose with the same stuff they put into underground cables. It
has a honey consistency and is not easily displaced by water. I was hoping
for some type of silicon oil but am unable to find anything similar at the
hardware store.

Anybody have any suggestions?

Use rigid PVC tubing, cement fittings as needed. It will provide more physical
protection than a garden hose. Any condensation that develops should be
minimal. However, even if it were severe, if the coax couldn't stand up to it
then it couldn't stand up to rain, snow, frost, etc. either. I used coax
buried in this way and had no trouble with it for 15 years.

Don't worry about it. Save the 'worry' for something that's
more likely to happen, you may run short...
'Doc

"yea right" wrote in message
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I would like to bury my coax for a distance of about 20ft. The location
consist of 6" of crushed decorative rocks over the top of very rocky soil.

I intend to take the LMR-400 coax and push it through a garden hose to add
a layer of protection. However, I am worried that condensation will
quickly fill the airspace of the hose with water and it will either
penetrate the coax outer jacket or interfere with the performance of it in
some unknown negative way.

I can not flood the garden hose with petroleum oil as it will soon eat
through the PVC jacket of the coax or garden hose. Ideally, I would like
to flood the hose with the same stuff they put into underground cables. It
has a honey consistency and is not easily displaced by water. I was hoping
for some type of silicon oil but am unable to find anything similar at the
hardware store.

Anybody have any suggestions?

Get two rubber / plastic boots - the type used on electrical installations.
a large container of petroleum or KY jelly fill both end of the hose once
you have the coaxial through it this should stop any air getting in or out
and
so prevent the condensation problem. Finally put the boots over tube ends
again filled with jelly and using come electrical tape , tape over it.
Go over the electrical tape with self amalgamating tape them one more
layer of electrical tape to keep out the UV and "BOBS your uncle"
job should be a good one.


TTFN Martin G1GYC

Hi yea right

I would use standard PVC conduit and boxes, it's cheaper than garden
hose and more impervious to cuts.

I doubt if your going to be able to 'push' a coax through a hose, or
even conduit for that matter. You will probably have to 'pull' it
through using a fishtape.
As the distance increases, so does the friction against the walls of
whatever you are pulling it through.
One cannot even pull a piece of romex through 15 feet of PVC without a
fishtape and some wirelube from your local electrical supply house.

TTUL
Gary

Gary:

Maybe I've been lucky, but I've had no difficulty in pushing RG-8 through
a 20 foot section of 1" PVC, and on a good day, have even got RG6 (tv
cable) through one that didn't have any other wires in it. Pushing 12-2
w/ground or 14-2 w/ground romex through a similar distance isn't a big
deal unless you've got corners to deal with... Sigh... Your mileage may
vary, depending upon your patience and luck. By the way, it is much more
difficult to push wire uphill than down, or even on the level... Of
course, with a really long run, I'd build it up 20 feet at a time, or push
a pull-tape through it (or blow a nylon through using air pressure) before
pulling a bundle through the PVC.

Another possibility is the seamless black flexible pipe. I've been quite
successful in pushing a single coax through a 1 1/4" diameter 25' long
section of black flexible pipe....

There are lots of possibilities, but for something that is a single coax
run of only 20 feet, I might tend towards just direct burial of a good
grade of coax and worry about it in a few years. Otherwise, it's probably
good to use conduit, even if you have to periodically go out and blow out
the "condensation" the original poster was worried about.

--Rick AH7H



"Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr." wrote:

Hi yea right

I would use standard PVC conduit and boxes, it's cheaper than garden
hose and more impervious to cuts.

I doubt if your going to be able to 'push' a coax through a hose, or
even conduit for that matter. You will probably have to 'pull' it
through using a fishtape.
As the distance increases, so does the friction against the walls of
whatever you are pulling it through.
One cannot even pull a piece of romex through 15 feet of PVC without a
fishtape and some wirelube from your local electrical supply house.

TTUL
Gary

Your going to all that trouble to "protect" 20 feet of coax? It is not
worth the time, hassle or money. Put it down and replace it every couple of
years if you think there is a problem.

--
Radio K4ia
Craig "Buck"
Fredericksburg, VA USA
FISTS 6702 cc 788 Diamond 64
"yea right" wrote in message
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I would like to bury my coax for a distance of about 20ft. The location
consist of 6" of crushed decorative rocks over the top of very rocky soil.

I intend to take the LMR-400 coax and push it through a garden hose to add
a layer of protection. However, I am worried that condensation will
quickly fill the airspace of the hose with water and it will either
penetrate the coax outer jacket or interfere with the performance of it in
some unknown negative way.

I can not flood the garden hose with petroleum oil as it will soon eat
through the PVC jacket of the coax or garden hose. Ideally, I would like
to flood the hose with the same stuff they put into underground cables. It
has a honey consistency and is not easily displaced by water. I was hoping
for some type of silicon oil but am unable to find anything similar at the
hardware store.

Anybody have any suggestions?

Isn't the LMR400 rated for direct burial? Certainly there are varieties of
RG8 that are. If you don't use a conduit type thing, you do not have to
worry about water accumulation, because the cable and ground will eventually
dry out between rain storms, unless you bury it deep.

Tam/WB2TT
"yea right" wrote in message
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I would like to bury my coax for a distance of about 20ft. The location
consist of 6" of crushed decorative rocks over the top of very rocky soil.

I intend to take the LMR-400 coax and push it through a garden hose to add
a layer of protection. However, I am worried that condensation will
quickly fill the airspace of the hose with water and it will either
penetrate the coax outer jacket or interfere with the performance of it in
some unknown negative way.

I can not flood the garden hose with petroleum oil as it will soon eat
through the PVC jacket of the coax or garden hose. Ideally, I would like
to flood the hose with the same stuff they put into underground cables. It
has a honey consistency and is not easily displaced by water. I was hoping
for some type of silicon oil but am unable to find anything similar at the
hardware store.

Anybody have any suggestions?

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:39:15 GMT, yea right wrote:

First, after all this thread, this, the original post, turned up on my
server today Oct 21st, but dated the 18th.

I would like to bury my coax for a distance of about 20ft. The location
consist of 6" of crushed decorative rocks over the top of very rocky soil.

I intend to take the LMR-400 coax and push it through a garden hose to add
a layer of protection. However, I am worried that condensation will


Don't worry about it...LMR-400 hangs out in the rain, it'll survive
inside a garden hose full of water.

quickly fill the airspace of the hose with water and it will either
penetrate the coax outer jacket or interfere with the performance of it in
some unknown negative way.

Just don't have any unprotected connectors inside the hose. Probably
the best would be to drill a number of holes at 90 degrees to each
other along the length of the hose so it can drain. (before ins
talling the coax G)The hose only serves as a mechanical protector.


I can not flood the garden hose with petroleum oil as it will soon eat
through the PVC jacket of the coax or garden hose. Ideally, I would like

Don't worry about it. It's not worth the effort and eventually the
work to clean it up.

to flood the hose with the same stuff they put into underground cables. It
has a honey consistency and is not easily displaced by water. I was hoping
for some type of silicon oil but am unable to find anything similar at the
hardware store.

We used to use silicon oil, but you really shouldn't be worried about
it.

You might need to use some wire pulling soap (the gooey yellow stuff)
to push the LMR-400 through, but the stuff is stiff enough I would
expect it to go through fine.

It t takes a good can to two cans to get a cable through my 4 inch
conduit now that it has so many cables in it. The yellow stuff is
easy to clean up

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

Anybody have any suggestions?

"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:39:15 GMT, yea right wrote:
You might need to use some wire pulling soap (the gooey yellow stuff)
to push the LMR-400 through, but the stuff is stiff enough I would
expect it to go through fine.

It t takes a good can to two cans to get a cable through my 4 inch
conduit now that it has so many cables in it. The yellow stuff is
easy to clean up

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

Roger,

If you are going to the trouble of using some kind of conduit, and assuming
it comes in 10 foot lengths, why not just push it through one piece at a
time? That is, push the coax through the pieces of pipe before you join the
pipes together. Besides, LMR400 is pretty stiff.

Tam/WB2TT