an applet is not like a dll. a dll is not meant to be a complete program.
it is a library that provides function for some other program to use. an
applet is a full executable that can be run by the jvm.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
You mentioned "Java applet" for instance... its' counter part in the "real
world" is a dynamic .dll, binary code called and executed as needed... it
really makes no sense in renaming a dll to "applet." Why this "floats" and
is claimed to be "revolutionary" is beyond my understanding--I chuck all
such things into the "obfuscation bucket." And, think the ones doing this
have just run out of fresh ideas so are reduced to BS to try to cut out a
position for themselves...

Cynical is my middle name, I forgot to tell ya that, "John Cynical Smith."
grin

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Hal:
... well, scriptkiddies may be offensive to some, perhaps "scripters"
would be a better choice to describe this group of coders...

... I often hear Java discussed as if it were a language, instead of a
compiled scripting language... however, even if they were correct--one would
only need to ask the question, "Why?" As, with "C" and "C++" it would only
be a reduplication of effort! If the intent is to rename "C++" to
"Java"--well, as time passes it just might take...

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
.. .
Yep, Applets gave Java a head start.
But now I don't think applets are being used very much.
Full blown applications (like Star Office and 'Open Office.org)
is the typical Java program now.
Now everyone is trying to get their programs web-enabled.
Yep - I'm a programmer. and a student - and a teacher
The more I learn, the more I learn that there's more to learn.
My ignorance becomes more obvious to me as I learn.
The push now is to make legacy apps web-accessable -
or to replace legacy code with web apps.
Java servlets and Java Server Pages (As opposed to Applets) seems to be
the
wave of the future.
I don't have a favorite language until I see the environment and
requirements.
But I do have 'least favorites' (C# and dot-net in general)
your description of scriptkiddies causing you to 'dump java' is a
shame

But It still sounds like you're getting JavaScript confused with Java.
Since you program in c, it makes sense that you don't like OO.
Object-Oriented programming is quite a departure from the procedural
world
of c.
Its a different programming philosophy.
And to top it off - they're coming with a new one called
"Aspect-Oriented
Programming".
We'll see if it stands to test of time.


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Hal:

Java is buried in a lot of webpages... when it first got big use... I
kinda
liked all the flashy visual stuff it could do...
... then it started bogging down net speed, then the scriptkiddies
started
finding evil ways to hijack your browser and "trick" you into clicking
on
buttons which put bad code on your machine with Java--I dumped Java
then--now I have run XP w/SP2 with SUN Java enabled and not been
bothered
with the malicious code--but once burned--twice warned--and I turn
Java
off
most of the time... some forms demand it...

I am not against scripting languages, and perl is one of the first I
learned--but since I write in C, Java is no problem--but I don't like
the
OOP part, it forces a lot of predefined functions/procedures and
methods
on
you... luckily, we don't do any Java at the shop--it is too slow for
our
implementations of encryption/decryption... sometimes assembly is
barely
able to manage the tasks in real time... and that is important with
voice/video communications...

Are you a programmer Hal? And if so, what is your language(s) of
choice?
And, are you a hobby programmer or have to try to get enough money to
eat
from your efforts (like me grin) ? My most fulfilling use of code
is
for
personal use... I'd really quit my job if I didn't need the booze,
cigs
and
loose women (well, something like that grin)

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
. ..
Saw an article where Google uses 3 languages routinely: C++, Java,
and
Python.
(All 3 are object-oriented)
Special permission was needed for other languages
I think one reason for the OO movement revolves around the cost of
development.
Large projects -
with many developers of varying degrees of competence -
are easier to manage
using OO design.

If someone gives a coder a job like:
"write an instance method for xyz class which will take 2 int args
and
return a abc class..."
he can go right to work. -and -
someone else can be coding a different method for the same class.

regardless of the language
when you code
you'll find some patterns
we all use
over and over
the difference is
syntax

AH - a fresh perspective. You tell him, Dave!
Java has a good reputation as a development language.
JavaScript is completely different.
VB dot-net (like you said) is beginning to look a lot like Java.-
I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that).

Dot-net will unfortunately catch on - because it is M$.


"Dave" wrote in message
...
first, scriptkiddies are not 'coders', they are idiots who only know
enough
to run scripts that they download from hacker sites.

second, java is a language and it is definately not a 'scripting'
language.
it is a full featured high level language. you might be confusing java
with
javascript. javascript is completely different and should never be
mentioned in the same sentence with java.

finally, there is no one that works in c++ who wants to rename it java,
they
are very different things. however, c# is microsofts attempt to merge c++
and java, likewise vb.net is their attempt at merging vb and java. how
well
it works is still being worked out i think.

Here is quickstart page for getting an overview about dot net--another scripting languge which uses c type syntax...
http://www.codeproject.com/dotnet/DotNetScript.asp

You know, you can write webpages in "C", as long as your page supplier provides support for C executibles... run a hundred times faster or more though... script is good on free webpages though--they usually will not trust you with c executables running on their free machines--for that--you have to pay...

Warmest regards,
John
"Hal Rosser" wrote in message .. .
AH - a fresh perspective. You tell him, Dave!
Java has a good reputation as a development language.
JavaScript is completely different.
VB dot-net (like you said) is beginning to look a lot like Java.-
I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that).

Dot-net will unfortunately catch on - because it is M$.


"Dave" wrote in message
...
first, scriptkiddies are not 'coders', they are idiots who only know
enough
to run scripts that they download from hacker sites.

second, java is a language and it is definately not a 'scripting'
language.
it is a full featured high level language. you might be confusing java
with
javascript. javascript is completely different and should never be
mentioned in the same sentence with java.

finally, there is no one that works in c++ who wants to rename it java,
they
are very different things. however, c# is microsofts attempt to merge c++
and java, likewise vb.net is their attempt at merging vb and java. how
well
it works is still being worked out i think.

watch out! "dot net" is a microsoft technology that includes a whole bunch
of things that use the "dot net" framework as their backbone. this includes
visual studio dot net, which has c# and vb.net, a new version of office, and
a bunch of business stuff. the link you reference is a scripting language
that runs in the dot net framework, it is not "dot net" itself, nor is it a
microsft product.


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Here is quickstart page for getting an overview about dot net--another
scripting languge which uses c type syntax...
http://www.codeproject.com/dotnet/DotNetScript.asp

You know, you can write webpages in "C", as long as your page supplier
provides support for C executibles... run a hundred times faster or more
though... script is good on free webpages though--they usually will not
trust you with c executables running on their free machines--for that--you
have to pay...

Warmest regards,
John
"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
.. .
AH - a fresh perspective. You tell him, Dave!
Java has a good reputation as a development language.
JavaScript is completely different.
VB dot-net (like you said) is beginning to look a lot like Java.-
I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that).

Dot-net will unfortunately catch on - because it is M$.


"Dave" wrote in message
...
first, scriptkiddies are not 'coders', they are idiots who only know
enough
to run scripts that they download from hacker sites.

second, java is a language and it is definately not a 'scripting'
language.
it is a full featured high level language. you might be confusing java
with
javascript. javascript is completely different and should never be
mentioned in the same sentence with java.

finally, there is no one that works in c++ who wants to rename it java,
they
are very different things. however, c# is microsofts attempt to merge
c++
and java, likewise vb.net is their attempt at merging vb and java. how
well
it works is still being worked out i think.

Why would anyone use microsoft stuff... haven't we learned about them from the past? grin

Warmest regards,
John
"Dave" wrote in message ...
watch out! "dot net" is a microsoft technology that includes a whole bunch
of things that use the "dot net" framework as their backbone. this includes
visual studio dot net, which has c# and vb.net, a new version of office, and
a bunch of business stuff. the link you reference is a scripting language
that runs in the dot net framework, it is not "dot net" itself, nor is it a
microsft product.


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Here is quickstart page for getting an overview about dot net--another
scripting languge which uses c type syntax...
http://www.codeproject.com/dotnet/DotNetScript.asp

You know, you can write webpages in "C", as long as your page supplier
provides support for C executibles... run a hundred times faster or more
though... script is good on free webpages though--they usually will not
trust you with c executables running on their free machines--for that--you
have to pay...

Warmest regards,
John
"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
.. .
AH - a fresh perspective. You tell him, Dave!
Java has a good reputation as a development language.
JavaScript is completely different.
VB dot-net (like you said) is beginning to look a lot like Java.-
I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that).

Dot-net will unfortunately catch on - because it is M$.


"Dave" wrote in message
...
first, scriptkiddies are not 'coders', they are idiots who only know
enough
to run scripts that they download from hacker sites.

second, java is a language and it is definately not a 'scripting'
language.
it is a full featured high level language. you might be confusing java
with
javascript. javascript is completely different and should never be
mentioned in the same sentence with java.

finally, there is no one that works in c++ who wants to rename it java,
they
are very different things. however, c# is microsofts attempt to merge
c++
and java, likewise vb.net is their attempt at merging vb and java. how
well
it works is still being worked out i think.