On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:05:23 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:52:06 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:

It is a legal fact that he is legally innocent until
proven legally guilty.

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Is that really a "legal fact" or just a common presumption? The word
"innocent" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Look for
yourself:

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

If you know of an actual law which states the above, please quote it.

Amendments V and VI describe a process that would be meaningless
unless one is presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

bob
k5qwg

Bob:

If you don't welcome men/women back into society after they have either
run the gauntlet or paid their debt to society--then all you accomplish
is creating a whole subset of society which poses great danger when held
as "less than acceptable"--indeed, if not careful we can create the
monster we fear most.

This is how our ancestors came to overthrow such a kings strangle hold
and found this country on principals meant to stop that from ever
occurring again--or demand those so oppressed to rise up and throw off
such chains once again... it is all recorded in our history...

I think those men who suffered greatly from unfair treatment, indebted
servitude, debtors prisons and virtual slavery had it correct--the
principals they put forth are as valid today as they were when first
stated and put forth...

Still, Michael Jackson would never be left in the presence of my
children without me being present... (of course, now all my children are
grown) and I would be apprehensive about having him for a neighbor so
would set aside a place for him to reside--too bad there are no islands
left to exile his type too--perhaps a plea bargain could have been set
up with him and he would have gone there willingly...

Warmest regards,
John

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:05:23 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:52:06 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:

It is a legal fact that he is legally innocent until
proven legally guilty.

________________________________________________ _

Is that really a "legal fact" or just a common presumption? The word
"innocent" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Look for
yourself:

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

If you know of an actual law which states the above, please quote it.

Amendments V and VI describe a process that would be meaningless
unless one is presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

bob
k5qwg

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:12:34 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:


Still, Michael Jackson would never be left in the presence of my
children without me being present... (of course, now all my children are
grown) and I would be apprehensive about having him for a neighbor so
would set aside a place for him to reside--too bad there are no islands
left to exile his type too--perhaps a plea bargain could have been set
up with him and he would have gone there willingly...

Warmest regards,
John

No disagreement -- I was only talking legalities of "guilty" or "not",
not whether anyone would want to leave their kids with Jacko for a
bunk-over...

bob
k5qwg



"Bob Miller" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:05:23 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:52:06 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:

It is a legal fact that he is legally innocent until
proven legally guilty.

_______________________________________________ __

Is that really a "legal fact" or just a common presumption? The word
"innocent" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Look for
yourself:

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

If you know of an actual law which states the above, please quote it.

Amendments V and VI describe a process that would be meaningless
unless one is presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

bob
k5qwg