Richard Clark wrote:

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:50:31 GMT, "Tom Donaly"
wrote:


Notice how he used the Mensa Society post to destroy the discourse?


Hi Tom,

I notice past membership is one of those unprovable positive facts.


there are,
alas, people who are soft-minded enough not only to take him seriously,
but to agree with him as well.


So rare so that Cecil has to offer they support him in secret email.
Even this is about hit counts when your thumb is on the scale. ;-)


I think Roy had the right idea when
he plonked him. The rest of us should probably follow Roy's example.


What's the fun in that? Pick one point and drill down; ignore the
side topics and drill down; discard the tailored citations and drill
down. Everyone of these drillings leads to a dry hole.
win-lose (classic American competition)

And yes, Mike, busting on Cecil is one pursuit here, we will leave it
to you to judge if it is indiscriminant and across the board, or fits
to threads dominated 9:1 by your Rodney King of the antennas.

Gimme another baton! I broke mine!
(classic American entertainment)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Hi Richard,
Cecil is impervious to criticism, anyway. As long as he can
think up "objection stoppers," as fast as an encyclopedia salesman
selling his wares to impoverished housewives, no one can get
to him.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

Tom Donaly wrote:

Don't be an ass, Gravity.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

Hi Tom,

Consider the origin and nature of shot noise.

73, ac6xg

Cecil Moore wrote:
John - KD5YI wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:

"In contrast to rain, precipitation currents carried to
ground by snow are usually always negative under
potential gradients between +/- 800 V/m (Chalmers 1956).
The total precipitation current around the earth is
estimated to be about +340 amperes."


So that would give a current of about 0.06 picoamperes per square foot?


I assume that's an average value. Localized values could
be much less or much greater.


It is the 340 amperes divided by the surface area of the earth in square
feet. I guess you could call it an average.

So, "much greater" than 6E-14 would be what, maybe 6E-13?

Jim Kelley wrote:
Tom Donaly wrote:

Don't be an ass, Gravity.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH


Hi Tom,

Consider the origin and nature of shot noise.

73, ac6xg


Is that what's causing the Santa Ana wind interference?
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

Tom Donaly wrote:
You're absolutely right, Richard. Of course, if he can use all of
his rural debate tricks to get people who disagree with him
into abandoning the thread, then he thinks he can claim victory
as being the only combatant left on the field of honor. Notice how
he used the Mensa Society post to destroy the discourse? Cecil isn't
really serious, as you point out, and his posts are only valuable for
their entertainment value, as you also point out, but there are,
alas, people who are soft-minded enough not only to take him seriously,
but to agree with him as well. I think Roy had the right idea when
he plonked him. The rest of us should probably follow Roy's example.

Ad hominem character assignation instead of any technical
content?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Gene Fuller wrote:
I can assure you that corona can occur even when there are
no preexisting fields or currents in the surrounding air. High voltage
and sharp emission points are quite adequate.

Of course, the high voltage is a *man-made energy source* having
absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about. Will
your diversions and obfuscations never end?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Gene Fuller wrote:
Corona does not require ANY preexisting current, and certainly not the
global "fairweather" current. The high fields near a sharp point will
create all the corona current necessary.

Where is the energy coming from?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Cecil Moore wrote:
Gene Fuller wrote:
I can assure you that corona can occur even when there are no
preexisting fields or currents in the surrounding air. High voltage
and sharp emission points are quite adequate.

Of course, the high voltage is a *man-made energy source* having
absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about. Will
your diversions and obfuscations never end?

Cecil,

You are seriously confused. The energy source is completely irrelevant.
The only issue is what causes the noise heard in the receiver.

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Cecil Moore wrote:
Gene Fuller wrote:
Corona does not require ANY preexisting current, and certainly not the
global "fairweather" current. The high fields near a sharp point will
create all the corona current necessary.

Where is the energy coming from?


Who cares? Do you have your energy hammer out? Does every problem need
to look like an energy nail?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene Fuller wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Gene Fuller wrote:
Corona does not require ANY preexisting current, and certainly not the
global "fairweather" current. The high fields near a sharp point will
create all the corona current necessary.

Where is the energy coming from?


Who cares? Do you have your energy hammer out? Does every problem need
to look like an energy nail?

73,
Gene
W4SZ


I've been away for a few days. Did Cecil ever figure out what was wrong
with his idea about the folded dipole?

I was hoping someone else would walk him through it. Or is he stuck on
something else now?

73 Tom