On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:50:20 GMT, Slow Code spake
thusly:

" wrote in
roups.com:

Dee Flint wrote:
"Opus-" wrote in message
...

CW is as useful to todays Hams as carpentry is to a mechanic. A good
thing to learn, and potentially useful, but should not be a barrier.


This is where your analogy falls apart. CW is currently very useful to
hams. It is in daily use. However, the arguments have already been
presented and those with closed minds have rejected them.

Pity the morse zealots and their closed minds... :-)




Pity the lazy asses that just want to be appliance operators. They care
nothing for the integrity of the service.

Newsflash: ALL radio operators, code or no-code, are "appliance
operators" as you colloquially state. A radio is a means to
communicate. Knowing code just adds another way to use that radio.

Opus- wrote:
On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:50:20 GMT, Slow Code spake
thusly:

" wrote in
roups.com:

Dee Flint wrote:
"Opus-" wrote in message
...

CW is as useful to todays Hams as carpentry is to a mechanic. A good
thing to learn, and potentially useful, but should not be a barrier.


This is where your analogy falls apart. CW is currently very useful to
hams. It is in daily use. However, the arguments have already been
presented and those with closed minds have rejected them.

Pity the morse zealots and their closed minds... :-)


Pity the lazy asses that just want to be appliance operators. They care
nothing for the integrity of the service.

Newsflash: ALL radio operators, code or no-code, are "appliance
operators" as you colloquially state. A radio is a means to
communicate. Knowing code just adds another way to use that radio.

Quite true, Opus! Thank you for pointing that out.

Let us hope that Blowcode sticks to his ARRL "Archie" comic
books while he mimes the "Wizard of Oz's" scarecrow wishing
he had a brain. :-(

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:50:19 GMT, Slow Code spake
thusly:

There are two ways to communicate when all you have is a transceiver,
phone, & CW. All you need for phone is a microphone, All you need for CW
is a pencil and paper. If you had to build a transmitter in an emergency,
a CW transmitter is simpliest to build. We are after all technical aren't
we? We're not just appliance operators.

Build a transmitter? I could humiliate you there, but that's been done
already.

Eliminating CW removes a way we can communicate. A simple way, where all
that's required is an ear, a pencil, and paper, and a skill.

There is NOTHING about removing code testing that will stop you from
using code. Wanna use code? Go ahead, knock yourself out. You can
hammer on that key all night long, for all anybody cares. Hammer on it
in your sleep. Hammer on it in the shower.

Just don't tell me that I am a bad person if I don't.

" wrote in
oups.com:

From: Slow Code on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 11:50 pm

" wrote in
From: Opus- on Wed, Sep 6 2006 11:05 pm
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:43:31 GMT, Slow Code spake

There are two ways to communicate when all you have is a transceiver,
phone, & CW.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG...

It is voice, radiotelegraphy, data, pulse, right off the bat,
plus a few others which you have NO idea they existed for
EMERGENCIES.

Blowcode, you are stuck on HF ham thinking.



And you are stuck on Lazy-ass appliance operator thinking. Why don't you
head on over to rec.radio.cb, they need help using their appliances and
you'll fit right in.


SC

On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:19:27 GMT, Slow Code spake
thusly:

" wrote in
roups.com:

From: Slow Code on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 11:50 pm

" wrote in
From: Opus- on Wed, Sep 6 2006 11:05 pm
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:43:31 GMT, Slow Code spake

There are two ways to communicate when all you have is a transceiver,
phone, & CW.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG...

It is voice, radiotelegraphy, data, pulse, right off the bat,
plus a few others which you have NO idea they existed for
EMERGENCIES.

Blowcode, you are stuck on HF ham thinking.



And you are stuck on Lazy-ass appliance operator thinking. Why don't you
head on over to rec.radio.cb, they need help using their appliances and
you'll fit right in.

ALL radio operators are "appliance operators" as you so idiotically
put it. A radio is a radio, no matter who turns the switch on. Does
the range in your kitchen stop being a range if Martha Stewart
operates it?
--

(Jim, single dad to Lesleigh [Autistic] 04/20/94)

"What, Me Worry?" A. E. Newman

Please note: All unsolicited e-mail sent to me may, at
my discretion, be posted in this newsgroup verbatim.

On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:44:50 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
spake thusly:

"Appliance Operator" is a term to distinguish from those who are able not
only to turn on and operate their equipment, but also understand how it
functions and can reproduce the circuitry therein. An appliance operator
knows little or nothing about how the equipment they use works, only how to
use it (not necessarily in a proper or legal manner).

Does this mean that only a fully qualified journeyman auto technician
really knows how to drive a car properly?

Does an executive chef at a 5 star restaurant need to know Ohms Law in
order to cook properly on an electric stovetop? Does he also need to
be a petro-chemist to operate a gas range?

The notion that only a person who knows the inner workings of a device
can operate it properly is downright insulting and worthy of utter
contempt.

Can you rebuild the transmission in your car in your back yard right
now? If not then you are a bad driver, according to the "appliance
operator" logic being spewed here.
--

(Jim, single dad to Lesleigh [Autistic] 04/20/94)

"What, Me Worry?" A. E. Newman

Please note: All unsolicited e-mail sent to me may, at
my discretion, be posted in this newsgroup verbatim.

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...





And you are stuck on Lazy-ass appliance operator thinking. Why don't you
head on over to rec.radio.cb, they need help using their appliances and
you'll fit right in.

ALL radio operators are "appliance operators" as you so idiotically
put it. A radio is a radio, no matter who turns the switch on. Does
the range in your kitchen stop being a range if Martha Stewart
operates it?


"Appliance Operator" is a term to distinguish from those who are able not
only to turn on and operate their equipment, but also understand how it
functions and can reproduce the circuitry therein. An appliance operator
knows little or nothing about how the equipment they use works, only how to
use it (not necessarily in a proper or legal manner).
/

Would this include a KB9 station from Michigan?

Anonymous wrote:
Can you explain the service aspects of ham radio ...

From Webster's: "service - an administrative division
of government" In the USA, that means a service TO
the citizens BY the government. The service comes
from the government, not from the citizens.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Can you explain the service aspects of ham radio ...

From Webster's: "service - an administrative division
of government" In the USA, that means a service TO
the citizens BY the government. The service comes
from the government, not from the citizens.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

All throughout Title 47 Code of Federal Regulations, the word
"service" is used as the type and kind of radio being regulated.
It is a regulatory term in that context. One can write the FCC
and get that information.

All too often, amateurs who think too much of themselves try to
use "service" as equivalent to some (undefined) "national service"
such as being a part of the military or a government position. :-)

Part 95 describes Citizens Band Radio SERVICE and the Radio
Control Radio SERVICE. :-)

***Forgive the top posting***

I was requested to define "Amateur Service" ... what service?

"47 CFR 97.3 Definitions:

(a) Definitions of terms used in Part 97 a

(1) Amateur operator ... redacted
(2) Amateur radio Services ... redacted
(3) Amateur Satellite Service ... redacted
(4) Amateur Service. A radio communication for the purpose of self training,
intercommunication and technical investigations carries out by amateurs, that
is, duly authorized persons interested in the radio technique solely with a
personal aim and without pecuniary interest."

Definitions [a][5] through [a][46] and section [b] in it's entirety have been
excluded.

There are three elements of the amateur service: 1) 'self training' in any and
all aspects of electro-magnetic radio telecommunication [notice this is listed
first]; 2) 'intercommunication' includes talking, satellite techniques,
television techniques [yes, amateurs can design and operate wideband tv],
microwave techniques, digital techniques, spread spectrum techniques, CW, AM,
SSB, FM, etc.; 3) 'technical investigations' include propagation studies at HF,
VHF, UHF and microwave, EME activities, antenna developments, new modulation
modes [particularly in digital communications], error correction techniques in
digital communication, bandwidth compression techniques, and any number of
Physics and Electronic areas of investigation.

Amateur [non financially compensated] radio is much more than buying a box and
using it to just talk with someone. IMO, it is a service wherein the amateur, a
duly authorized person, is committed to self training [education] in some
components of the electromagnetic radio communication arts and sciences.

"Duly Authorized" requires authorization by competent authority after a
demonstration of some related skill or knowledge by the person seeking to be
'duly authorized'. If a demonstrable skill level is NOT required then "Duly
Authorized' does not make sense.

If you just want to talk, the 11 meter band or the FRS will meet your needs.

/s/ DD [AKA Dave]

Anonymous wrote:
Dave Said:


Amateur Radio is a SERVICE!!! If you only think of it as a hobby your thinking
is flawed.


Hi Dave,

I've seen you refer to service vs hobby a number of times in this thread. As a noob here, could you explain
this? What do you mean by 'service'? Getting on, talking to others...communicating with others seems more of
a hobby to me.

Can you explain the service aspects of ham radio that you are referring to....can you define for me 'service'
and why amateur radio is a service to you rather than a hobby?