"robert casey" wrote in message
...
Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote:


but then along comes mother nature - to remind one and all who's boss -
and guess who the heroes are?

Not roast beef on rye? :-)

http://www.kptv.com/weatheralert/14776224/detail.html

Kudos to all involved!

But hams need antennas to make it happen. And we need news stories like
these to show to home owner association and towns as to why we should be
allowed to have antennas.

Indeed tis true but isn't it ironic that nearly everyone had antennas on the
roof top for TV and FM back 30+ years ago! No one complained.

And today in Silicon Valley ($800,000+ homes), many homes still have
antennas up on the roof even though they are on cable or dish TV. No one
complains, and few HOA's.

Lamont Lamenting

"The Shadow" wrote in message
...

"robert casey" wrote in message
...
Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote:


but then along comes mother nature - to remind one and all who's boss -
and guess who the heroes are?

Not roast beef on rye? :-)

http://www.kptv.com/weatheralert/14776224/detail.html

Kudos to all involved!

But hams need antennas to make it happen. And we need news stories like
these to show to home owner association and towns as to why we should be
allowed to have antennas.

Indeed tis true but isn't it ironic that nearly everyone had antennas on
the roof top for TV and FM back 30+ years ago! No one complained.

And today in Silicon Valley ($800,000+ homes), many homes still have
antennas up on the roof even though they are on cable or dish TV. No one
complains, and few HOA's.

Lamont Lamenting

You're right - NO ONE complained of antennas before - why now?

I am on council here - and an issue came up regarding Antennas and towers.
Being a "ham" myself - was able to thwart any issues there. When "Zoning"
came in - I questioned "their" rules on Towers and Antennas. Theirs are
limited to "Commercial" towers - with regard to fencing, posting of signage,
etc.

Some people in some areas are just too damned particular.

Lou

radiosrfun wrote:

You're right - NO ONE complained of antennas before - why now?

I am on council here - and an issue came up regarding Antennas and towers.
Being a "ham" myself - was able to thwart any issues there. When "Zoning"
came in - I questioned "their" rules on Towers and Antennas. Theirs are
limited to "Commercial" towers - with regard to fencing, posting of signage,
etc.

Some people in some areas are just too damned particular.

Lou

By Federal law, TV and radio receiving antennas, dishes, and so forth,
for household (non-commercial) use, are exempt from local restrictions
(including any and all HOA covenants). I don't know if this exemption
extends to ham radio antennas or not, but I would think that a pretty
good case could be made.

Bill

Bill Jeffrey wrote:

By Federal law, TV and radio receiving antennas, dishes, and so forth,
for household (non-commercial) use, are exempt from local restrictions
(including any and all HOA covenants). I don't know if this exemption
extends to ham radio antennas or not, but I would think that a pretty
good case could be made.

Bill

I'd sure like to see some references on that one!

I have lived in several communities that specifically forbade outside
antennas of any kind.... including TV.

For instance whenever I have lived in a townhouse, I owned the inside
of the house up to the common walls, but the community owned everything
outside of the house. It would be hard to imagine how I would be
allowed, by Federal exemption, to deface someone else's property so that
I may put up an antenna.

-Chuck

On 12/7/07 7:59 AM, in article ,
"Chuck Harris" wrote:

Bill Jeffrey wrote:

By Federal law, TV and radio receiving antennas, dishes, and so forth,
for household (non-commercial) use, are exempt from local restrictions
(including any and all HOA covenants). I don't know if this exemption
extends to ham radio antennas or not, but I would think that a pretty
good case could be made.

Bill

I'd sure like to see some references on that one!

I have lived in several communities that specifically forbade outside
antennas of any kind.... including TV.

For instance whenever I have lived in a townhouse, I owned the inside
of the house up to the common walls, but the community owned everything
outside of the house. It would be hard to imagine how I would be
allowed, by Federal exemption, to deface someone else's property so that
I may put up an antenna.


Roll Over. Speak! Shake hands.


-Chuck

Don Bowey wrote:
On 12/7/07 7:59 AM, in article ,
"Chuck Harris" wrote:

Bill Jeffrey wrote:

By Federal law, TV and radio receiving antennas, dishes, and so forth,
for household (non-commercial) use, are exempt from local restrictions
(including any and all HOA covenants). I don't know if this exemption
extends to ham radio antennas or not, but I would think that a pretty
good case could be made.

Bill
I'd sure like to see some references on that one!

I have lived in several communities that specifically forbade outside
antennas of any kind.... including TV.

For instance whenever I have lived in a townhouse, I owned the inside
of the house up to the common walls, but the community owned everything
outside of the house. It would be hard to imagine how I would be
allowed, by Federal exemption, to deface someone else's property so that
I may put up an antenna.


Roll Over. Speak! Shake hands.

Are you trying to say something Don?

-Chuck

Chuck Harris wrote:


I'd sure like to see some references on that one!

Yeah, me to. Where my mother lives (condominiums) they absolutely
prohibit visible antennas of any sort - it's in their association
bylaws. If they put up a dish - they have to camouflage it. The City is
just as tough on other similar stuff...

Here's mom's neighborhood...

http://www.comcents.com/momshood.jpg

See any antennas? There is one - VERY tall as a matter of fact - see it?

http://www.comcents.com/momshood2.jpg

In case you think I'm making this up - here is a close-up noting two of
the lower antennas (there are several more up in the "fronds")...

http://www.comcents.com/tower.jpg

So like Chuck said - I'd like to see some references on that.


best regards...
--
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com

I'd sure like to see some references on that one!
SNIP
So like Chuck said - I'd like to see some references on that.



FCC RULES ON ANTENNA RESTRICTIONS

I THINK YOU ALL ARE REFERRING TO THE FCC Over-the-Air Reception Devices
Rule
Preemption of Restrictions on Placement of Direct Broadcast Satellite,
Broadband Radio Service, and Television Broadcast Antennas

URL:

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html


Lamont

The Shadow wrote:

I'd sure like to see some references on that one!
SNIP
So like Chuck said - I'd like to see some references on that.



FCC RULES ON ANTENNA RESTRICTIONS

I THINK YOU ALL ARE REFERRING TO THE FCC Over-the-Air Reception
Devices Rule
Preemption of Restrictions on Placement of Direct Broadcast Satellite,
Broadband Radio Service, and Television Broadcast Antennas

URL:

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html


Lamont

This rule says basically that you can have an antenna in an area that
is available for your exclusive use. That would include your living
room, and the confines of a private balcony.

"A: No. The rule does not prohibit restrictions on antennas installed
beyond the balcony or patio of a condominium or apartment unit if
such installation is in, on, or over a common area. An antenna that
extends out beyond the balcony or patio is usually considered to be
in a common area that is not within the scope of the rule. Therefore,
the rule does not apply to a condominium or rental apartment unit
unless the antenna is installed wholly within the exclusive use area,
such as the balcony or patio"

However, not all town houses have such areas. I lived in one that
specifically stated that anything from the drywall out belonged to the
association. I would not have been allowed to stake an antenna in
the dirt in front of my house, or projecting out from a window.

-Chuck

In article , Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote:
Chuck Harris wrote:


I'd sure like to see some references on that one!

Yeah, me to. Where my mother lives (condominiums) they absolutely
prohibit visible antennas of any sort - it's in their association
bylaws. If they put up a dish - they have to camouflage it. The City is
just as tough on other similar stuff...

Here's mom's neighborhood...

http://www.comcents.com/momshood.jpg

See any antennas? There is one - VERY tall as a matter of fact - see it?

http://www.comcents.com/momshood2.jpg

In case you think I'm making this up - here is a close-up noting two of
the lower antennas (there are several more up in the "fronds")...

http://www.comcents.com/tower.jpg

So like Chuck said - I'd like to see some references on that.

There is an old church near a hill, and I was watching them making an addition. Its
a very old church. They had a kind of bell tower, but now the bell tower is much higher.
Its loaded with cell antennas inside.

greg