Furthermore, 930 WPAT is a hodge-podge of time-brokered ethnic
programming, and 1480 WZRC is all-Chinese.

Don't forget that the New York Metropolitan area often has more people
of a particular ethnic group than their naive counties have. The WPATs
of the world are the only place where they can find programming that
speaks to them. They lost their major outlet (WEVD) to make room for
the third all sports station in the city.

New York has a larger Chinese population than most cities have people.
I believe WZRC is Korean.

It was a tremendous improvement in the cultural life of the city. The
only sports figure I've seen who makes any sense is Yogi Berra. "When
you see a fork in the road, take it." How can you go wrong with that?

If you were to see a man on the street patting his male companion on
the butt, what would you think? If you saw one of them bent over with
the other with his hands between his companion's legs, what would you
think? There are no women around. Yet we spend billions to watch
allegedly heterosexual men do the same thing on TV.

Strange.

Rich

Don't forget that the New York Metropolitan area often has more people
of a particular ethnic group than their naive counties have.

That must be why we have TWO stations with primarily Russian-language
programming (620 WSNR & 1380 WKDM), and if you count a simulcast, TWO
stations with all-Polish programming (910 WRKL & 1580 WLIM). But yet,
the nation's #1 music format, Country, does not exist on the air
within 50 miles of NYC. Yes, yes, yes, people say that there simply
aren't that many country music fans within the City itself, and
they're correct -- but any decent NYC-area signal will cover plenty of
the surrounding suburban areas were there *are* many country fans.
"Y-107" proved this, with its lousy-ass signal getting better ratings
-- even within the NYC market itself -- than what "Barbie Radio" is
getting on a full-power heritage NYC FM station.

They lost their major outlet (WEVD) to make room for the third all sports
station in the city.

Well, *second* all-sports station, since 620 WSNR is now only
"Sporting Radio News" when it feels like it. (Strange, but true -- a
"flagship" station that doesn't carry its own network's programming
most of the time.)

If you were to see a man on the street patting his male companion on
the butt, what would you think? If you saw one of them bent over with
the other with his hands between his companion's legs, what would you
think? There are no women around. Yet we spend billions to watch
allegedly heterosexual men do the same thing on TV.

Umm... not that I disagree with you, but what does this have to do
with radio?

However, since you got me thinking, could this be the reason why
soccer has never been popular in America... because it's not
homoerotic enough? :-)

Strange.

....but true.

On 23 Jul 2003 01:22:44 GMT, (WBRW) wrote:

But yet,
the nation's #1 music format, Country, does not exist on the air
within 50 miles of NYC. Yes, yes, yes, people say that there simply
aren't that many country music fans within the City itself, and
they're correct -- but any decent NYC-area signal will cover plenty of
the surrounding suburban areas were there *are* many country fans.

I don't believe they're correct. WYNY had some pretty decent numbers
as a Country station, if I remember correctly. I think there's a great
opportunity for Country here. I believe it's a sales and ego problem.
If I owned WLIE on Long Island it would go country in a heartbeat.

If you were to see a man on the street patting his male companion on
the butt, what would you think? If you saw one of them bent over with
the other with his hands between his companion's legs, what would you
think? There are no women around. Yet we spend billions to watch
allegedly heterosexual men do the same thing on TV.

Umm... not that I disagree with you, but what does this have to do
with radio?

However, since you got me thinking, could this be the reason why
soccer has never been popular in America... because it's not
homoerotic enough? :-)

I really has more to do with TV. Actually, Soccer is very homoerotic.
They wear skimpy shorts and often get them pulled down during play.
Soccer players seem more physically comfortable with each other than
American players. They don't seem to care what anybody thinks.

Lately, it seems American players have to abuse or rape women to show
their heteroseuality. I was going to say manhood but real men don't
rape women..

Rich

I really has more to do with TV. Actually, Soccer is very homoerotic.
They wear skimpy shorts and often get them pulled down during play.
Soccer players seem more physically comfortable with each other than
American players. They don't seem to care what anybody thinks.

Rubgy, too... I'd love to hear the radio play-by-play of what the
article below describes. It's a strange world, isn't it? American
athletes go around raping and killing people, while Aussies engage in
foreplay with their teammates right on the field. And was nobody
suspicious when they saw this guy carrying around a tube of KY? :-)


Rugger Resigns Over Rectal Fouls
Matt Alsdorf, Gay.com / PlanetOut.com Network
Wednesday, April 4, 2001 / 05:51 PM

Digital penetration of opposing players while on the field was deemed
"unsportsmanlike interference" by Australian rugby's governing body,
and the offending player has been forced to resign.

An Australian pro rugby player who resigned this weekend after being
caught sticking his finger in opposing players' anuses during a match
is now considering taking legal action against the New Zealand Cancer
Society (NZCS) for using his picture in an advertisement for prostate
cancer checks.

John Hopoate, a winger for the Australian National Rugby League's West
Tigers club, received a 12-week suspension from the NRL judiciary last
week for "unsportsmanlike interference" with three North Queensland
players whom he digitally penetrated. The Associated Press reported
that the resignation came after team management met to consider calls
for his removal.

Hopoate said he believed his decision was in the best interest of the
club and its fans, according to Agence France Presse. "I sincerely
regret that anything I may have done has caused stress, anxiety and
disappointment to everyone involved with the West Tigers," AFP quoted
Hopoate as saying in a statement he released through his manager.

NZCS took out an advertisement in New Zealand's The Dominion newspaper
with a color close-up of Hopoate apparently sticking his finger in
North Queensland captain Paul Bowman's anus. According to the
Australian Associated Press (AAP), the accompanying text reads, "A
bloke's chances of developing prostate cancer increases as he gets
older. If you have symptoms that you're concerned about, consult your
local doctor. It won't hurt a bit -- promise."

The AAP reports that Hopoate and his manager say they were not
consulted by NZCS about use of the image and are "looking at the legal
ramifications." NRL chief executive David Moffett said the ad was
"appalling."

But NZCS's Roger Taylor was quoted by New Zealand's One News as
saying, "It's a difficult message to get across for a difficult
disease ... and we felt our normal health promotion doesn't work that
well and that this was a topical issue that would perhaps get it out
there."

According to AFP, Hopoate, a 27-year-old teetotalling Mormon father of
five, had faced the NRL's disciplinary commission seven times in the
past four years, primarily for fighting.



p.s. Relevancy to this thread: Due to its 8.5-second digital
encoding/transmission/decoding delay, IBOC is incapable of
broadcasting live sporting events in real-time. And since the analog
audio is also delayed to match, spectators who bring a transistor
radio to the game will hear the play-by-play of what happened 8.5
seconds ago!

On 25 Jul 2003 14:16:33 GMT, (WBRW) wrote:

NZCS took out an advertisement in New Zealand's The Dominion newspaper
with a color close-up of Hopoate apparently sticking his finger in
North Queensland captain Paul Bowman's anus. According to the
Australian Associated Press (AAP), the accompanying text reads, "A
bloke's chances of developing prostate cancer increases as he gets
older. If you have symptoms that you're concerned about, consult your
local doctor. It won't hurt a bit -- promise."

Advertising in this country would be so much more fun if we had the
guts to do such things. The act was done in public, so use it in an ad
for a good cause. It was probably even broadcast, so it's no secret.

If I were the "invader" I'd let it drop. Imagine the press coverage a
lawsuit like that would bring. I'd send the Comedy Central news team
to cover it. Or is it more properly "uncover" it?

Salespeople and advertisers would learn a whole new meaning of the
term "insertion order."

According to AFP, Hopoate, a 27-year-old teetotalling Mormon father of
five, had faced the NRL's disciplinary commission seven times in the
past four years, primarily for fighting.

I want to be there when he explains it to the kids. Maybe he needs to
start drinking - moderately.

I find it very interesting that this has been crossposted to
rec.radio.digital.

Rich

On 25 Jul 2003 14:16:33 GMT, (WBRW) wrote:

An Australian pro rugby player who resigned this weekend after being
caught sticking his finger in opposing players' anuses during a match
is now considering taking legal action against the New Zealand Cancer
Society (NZCS) for using his picture in an advertisement for prostate
cancer checks.

I wonder if that's why our teams wear such protective uniforms. All
this time we thought it was to avoid breaking bones.

Rich

I wonder if that's why our teams wear such protective uniforms. All
this time we thought it was to avoid breaking bones.

Yeah, that's about as believable as the reasons cyclists say they wear
skin-tight spandex outfits which are designed to be worn "commando".

Or, as believeable as Mike Savage's excuse "I didn't know I was on the
air".

On 25 Jul 2003 14:16:33 GMT, (WBRW) wrote:

An Australian pro rugby player who resigned this weekend after being
caught sticking his finger in opposing players' anuses during a match
is now considering taking legal action against the New Zealand Cancer
Society (NZCS) for using his picture in an advertisement for prostate
cancer checks.

Of course he resigned! It made him the butt of jokes.

Rich

In article , WBRW wrote:

Well, *second* all-sports station, since 620 WSNR is now only
"Sporting Radio News" when it feels like it. (Strange, but true -- a
"flagship" station that doesn't carry its own network's programming
most of the time.)

Word on the street is that Paul Allen is desperate to find a greater
fool to take the station off his hands. That's why they're brokering
it out -- it wasn't making them anything running SNR, and they want to
get it billing *something* in order to get a decent sale price. (Is
Arthur Liu full up yet?) I think the last SNR O&O that is still
running SNR programming full-time is WWZN Boston, and rumors are
swirling over programming changes there, too. (And Boston probably
costs as much to run as Newark does, thanks to some poor decisions
made by a previous Greater Fool.)

-GAWollman

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In article , WBRW
wrote:

Well, *second* all-sports station, since 620 WSNR is now only
"Sporting Radio News" when it feels like it. (Strange, but true -- a
"flagship" station that doesn't carry its own network's programming
most of the time.)

Word on the street is that Paul Allen is desperate to find a greater
fool to take the station off his hands. That's why they're brokering
it out -- it wasn't making them anything running SNR, and they want to
get it billing *something* in order to get a decent sale price.

Below certain billing levels, the value of stations like this is based, like
lobsters in a restaurant, on "makret price." No sane person would keep the
current programming, so billing is not material. The old day formula of 2.5
times billig or 8-10 times BCF are long gone.

Example: inferior, basin-floor limited Class B KFSG (now KXOL-FM) in LA with
no billing and a must-change format: $250 million.