Frank Gilliland wrote:
It will cost much more than you can afford on your budget, Brian. But
if you -really- want one just wait a few years and maybe they'll start
showing up at garage sales and thrift shops...... ok, probably not.
But you can dream, right?

I thought you were going to show me how to design a amp that was
superior to mine... and was a product that was easily manufactured,
repeatable, reliable, and profitable. Business-101 Frank. From what I
can see of your design concept so far... you should reply... "none of
the above"... LOL

www.telstar-electronics.com

On 21 Sep 2006 02:56:23 -0700, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
.com:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
It will cost much more than you can afford on your budget, Brian. But
if you -really- want one just wait a few years and maybe they'll start
showing up at garage sales and thrift shops...... ok, probably not.
But you can dream, right?

I thought you were going to show me how to design a amp that was
superior to mine... and was a product that was easily manufactured,
repeatable, reliable, and profitable. Business-101 Frank. From what I
can see of your design concept so far... you should reply... "none of
the above"... LOL


Repeatable -- Not only am I making the final design public, the entire
process is going to be public domain. You, OTOH, won't even release
your schematic for fear of constructive criticism.

Reliable -- In case you haven't been paying attention, the fundamental
concept of the design is longevity. These amps are going to be around
and working long after you and your amps are dead and buried.

Profitable -- I have saved the best for last. The -best- thing about a
modular design is that it is perfectly LEGAL!!!. I can manufacture and
market the chassis and modules independently under the premise that no
component, in and of itself, constitutes an amplifier. The only way
the government can touch this is if they outlaw every aspect of hobby
electronics and the sale of each and every component, which we all
know isn't going to happen (unless Bush declares a national emergency
right after the 2008 election, refuses to give up his office, and
installs a Republican dictatorship). There isn't one business-person
on the planet that wouldn't invest in a business that can open up an
entire market that was previously illegal. That, my friend, is called
"profitable".

But you go ahead and continue your work on your diminutive little amp,
knowing that your market is limited in both scope and time. Feel free
to waste your time on a product that will soon be without a market.
The only thing you have going for you is the price.... but then again,
have you done any market research lately? Do you know what people will
pay for a decent amp? Probably not. But I have.

So now that the cat's out of the bag, how hard are you going to fight
this? Or would you rather buy into it and make a ****load of money?
Feel free to email me with your answer.

Frank Gilliland wrote:
Repeatable -- Not only am I making the final design public, the entire
process is going to be public domain. You, OTOH, won't even release
your schematic for fear of constructive criticism.
**Your statement here has nothing to do with having a repeatable
design.**


Reliable -- In case you haven't been paying attention, the fundamental
concept of the design is longevity. These amps are going to be around
and working long after you and your amps are dead and buried.
**This is all talk right now. The fact that you will be using
components such as connectors for board-to-board interfacing does not
lend itself to high reliability.**


Profitable -- I have saved the best for last. The -best- thing about a
modular design is that it is perfectly LEGAL!!!. I can manufacture and
market the chassis and modules independently under the premise that no
component, in and of itself, constitutes an amplifier. The only way
the government can touch this is if they outlaw every aspect of hobby
electronics and the sale of each and every component, which we all
know isn't going to happen (unless Bush declares a national emergency
right after the 2008 election, refuses to give up his office, and
installs a Republican dictatorship). There isn't one business-person
on the planet that wouldn't invest in a business that can open up an
entire market that was previously illegal. That, my friend, is called
"profitable".
**Again, nothing but talk and very premature... you have no design yet
to base any profitability claims.**


www.telstar-electronics.com

On 21 Sep 2006 04:31:20 -0700, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
. com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
Repeatable -- Not only am I making the final design public, the entire
process is going to be public domain. You, OTOH, won't even release
your schematic for fear of constructive criticism.
**Your statement here has nothing to do with having a repeatable
design.**


Are you going to pull a Clinton and redefine "repeatable"?


Reliable -- In case you haven't been paying attention, the fundamental
concept of the design is longevity. These amps are going to be around
and working long after you and your amps are dead and buried.
**This is all talk right now. The fact that you will be using
components such as connectors for board-to-board interfacing does not
lend itself to high reliability.**


I didn't suspect you were tnom but you just gave yourself away.
Regardless, have you looked inside your computer lately? Did you
notice all those 'unreliable' connectors? When was the last time you
opened up a piece of electronic equipment with a major brand name like
HP? Kenwood? GE? Motorola? Uniden? Do you really think that CONNECTORS
are an issue? Naw..... you are just looking for a reason to whine.


Profitable -- I have saved the best for last. The -best- thing about a
modular design is that it is perfectly LEGAL!!!. I can manufacture and
market the chassis and modules independently under the premise that no
component, in and of itself, constitutes an amplifier. The only way
the government can touch this is if they outlaw every aspect of hobby
electronics and the sale of each and every component, which we all
know isn't going to happen (unless Bush declares a national emergency
right after the 2008 election, refuses to give up his office, and
installs a Republican dictatorship). There isn't one business-person
on the planet that wouldn't invest in a business that can open up an
entire market that was previously illegal. That, my friend, is called
"profitable".
**Again, nothing but talk and very premature... you have no design yet
to base any profitability claims.**


On the contrary..... I have a technical concept and it is legally
protected for 364 more days. I have business plan with high potential
profits, as well as a research project for my Master's degree. I also
have many years of experience running my own business and a very solid
background in electronic engineering, mostly in the RF field. So you
can believe me when I say that this amp is going to be built -and-
marketed, either by me or someone else. Not only that, but it may also
subjugate the statutory authority of the FCC, should they choose to
pursue it.

You, OTOH, have a run-of-the-mill CB amplifier that you can't legally
produce or protect. The quality of your product sucks; if it was good
it would sell itself and you wouldn't be spamming the newsgroup. You
can't even afford decent advertising, let alone an attorney to advise
you that this is an illegal and potentially expensive business venture
which may result in a felony conviction. You have nothing and are
risking everything, including your right to vote. Yet YOU are trying
to lecture ME about "profitability"? ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!


So go suck an egg, Brian (or tnom, or whatever alternative personality
you are using when you read this).

Reliable -- In case you haven't been paying attention, the fundamental
concept of the design is longevity. These amps are going to be around
and working long after you and your amps are dead and buried.
**This is all talk right now. The fact that you will be using
components such as connectors for board-to-board interfacing does not
lend itself to high reliability.**


I didn't suspect you were tnom but you just gave yourself away.
Regardless, have you looked inside your computer lately? Did you
notice all those 'unreliable' connectors?

Computers become outdated in about five years. You would expect
connectors to last at least that long. Mobile amps stay in use much
longer so that your comparison to computer connectors is an apple
to orange comparison.

When was the last time you
opened up a piece of electronic equipment with a major brand name like
HP? Kenwood? GE? Motorola? Uniden? Do you really think that CONNECTORS
are an issue? Naw..... you are just looking for a reason to whine.

If you say your modular design is reliable then you must first define
reliable............HP's, Kenwoods, Motorolas that have been in use
for thirty years or more will all have connector problems. If those
same connectors were solder joints you would eliminate that aspect
of reliability. Amplifiers should be made to last even longer. Many
forty year old amplifiers are still in use today.

You should incorporate standard connectors for higher voltage lower
current lines. Use a combination connector for any combination of
higher current or lower voltage on a line. I don't have a specific
brand or link but these combination connectors can be plugged in for
ease of installation/adjustment and then soldered in place once you
are certain that you are done with your adjustment/installation.

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:02:04 -0400, wrote in
:


Reliable -- In case you haven't been paying attention, the fundamental
concept of the design is longevity. These amps are going to be around
and working long after you and your amps are dead and buried.
**This is all talk right now. The fact that you will be using
components such as connectors for board-to-board interfacing does not
lend itself to high reliability.**


I didn't suspect you were tnom but you just gave yourself away.
Regardless, have you looked inside your computer lately? Did you
notice all those 'unreliable' connectors?

Computers become outdated in about five years. You would expect
connectors to last at least that long. Mobile amps stay in use much
longer so that your comparison to computer connectors is an apple
to orange comparison.


I have a VIC-20, a C-64, a CoCo II, an original IBM PC (256K), a
generic 386DX-40, and the computer I'm typing on right now which I
slapped together about 10 years ago. All of them work fine and none of
them have connector problems, although I do have to blow the dust out
once in a while.


When was the last time you
opened up a piece of electronic equipment with a major brand name like
HP? Kenwood? GE? Motorola? Uniden? Do you really think that CONNECTORS
are an issue? Naw..... you are just looking for a reason to whine.

If you say your modular design is reliable then you must first define
reliable............HP's, Kenwoods, Motorolas that have been in use
for thirty years or more will all have connector problems.


On one of my benches I have an HP-1707B, an Eico 950B, and a Heathkit
IG-72. All are older than 30 years. I let my nephews use this bench.
Nothing on the bench has connector problems.

If there is one general type of electronic equipment that has a wide
variety of -lots- of connectors it's the reel-to-reel deck. I have a
large collection of vintage decks including Akai, Rheem/Roberts, TEAC,
Sony, Wollensak, Ampex, Concertone, Viking.....etc, etc. Most of them
are more than 30 years old and none of them have, or had, connector
problems except for the occasional loose phone jack.

When I was in the USMC the only connectors I had to replace were on
coax cables (the operators were quite rough with them) and the big,
bulky interconnection cables used on the command amtraks (which had
about 20-30 radios and intercom units and were heavily abused). None
of the connectors inside the radios ever needed replacement.

When I was working at the commercial radio shop the story was about
the same; mostly coax connectors and the occasional power plug.

During my time at the station, the only connectors that needed
replacement were ones that had frequent and punishing use, mostly 1/4"
plugs & jacks and XLR's. I don't suspect that the connectors in this
amp will get that kind of use.

So for you to categorically declare that any equipment that has "been
in use for thirty years or more will all have connector problems" is
complete and utter bull****.


If those
same connectors were solder joints you would eliminate that aspect
of reliability.


Wrong. Interconnection wires that are soldered have a high rate of
failure in abusive environments. That's why auto manufacturers use
connectors, even under the hood (and out of the nearly two dozen
vehicles I've owned, none of them had any connection problems,
either).


Amplifiers should be made to last even longer. Many
forty year old amplifiers are still in use today.

You should incorporate standard connectors for higher voltage lower
current lines. Use a combination connector for any combination of
higher current or lower voltage on a line. I don't have a specific
brand or link but these combination connectors can be plugged in for
ease of installation/adjustment and then soldered in place once you
are certain that you are done with your adjustment/installation.


If I take your magic antenna and stroke it real hard with an old sock,
will Barbara Eden spurt forth from the end and grant me three wishes?

Frank Gilliland wrote:
If I take your magic antenna and stroke it real hard with an old sock,
will Barbara Eden spurt forth from the end and grant me three wishes?

The 70's version, or the current one? ha

If you say your modular design is reliable then you must first define
reliable............HP's, Kenwoods, Motorolas that have been in use
for thirty years or more will all have connector problems.


On one of my benches I have an HP-1707B, an Eico 950B, and a Heathkit
IG-72. All are older than 30 years. I let my nephews use this bench.
Nothing on the bench has connector problems.

If there is one general type of electronic equipment that has a wide
variety of -lots- of connectors it's the reel-to-reel deck. I have a
large collection of vintage decks including Akai, Rheem/Roberts, TEAC,
Sony, Wollensak, Ampex, Concertone, Viking.....etc, etc. Most of them
are more than 30 years old and none of them have, or had, connector
problems except for the occasional loose phone jack.

When I was in the USMC the only connectors I had to replace were on
coax cables (the operators were quite rough with them) and the big,
bulky interconnection cables used on the command amtraks (which had
about 20-30 radios and intercom units and were heavily abused). None
of the connectors inside the radios ever needed replacement.

When I was working at the commercial radio shop the story was about
the same; mostly coax connectors and the occasional power plug.

During my time at the station, the only connectors that needed
replacement were ones that had frequent and punishing use, mostly 1/4"
plugs & jacks and XLR's. I don't suspect that the connectors in this
amp will get that kind of use.

So for you to categorically declare that any equipment that has "been
in use for thirty years or more will all have connector problems" is
complete and utter bull****.

Attention. Sell your solder stock. It will fall drastically.

If those
same connectors were solder joints you would eliminate that aspect
of reliability.


Wrong. Interconnection wires that are soldered have a high rate of
failure in abusive environments. That's why auto manufacturers use
connectors, even under the hood (and out of the nearly two dozen
vehicles I've owned, none of them had any connection problems,
either).

I'll repeat myself. SELL YOUR SOLDER STOCK

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:14:29 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:02:04 -0400, wrote in
:


Reliable -- In case you haven't been paying attention, the fundamental
concept of the design is longevity. These amps are going to be around
and working long after you and your amps are dead and buried.
**This is all talk right now. The fact that you will be using
components such as connectors for board-to-board interfacing does not
lend itself to high reliability.**


I didn't suspect you were tnom but you just gave yourself away.
Regardless, have you looked inside your computer lately? Did you
notice all those 'unreliable' connectors?

Computers become outdated in about five years. You would expect
connectors to last at least that long. Mobile amps stay in use much
longer so that your comparison to computer connectors is an apple
to orange comparison.


I have a VIC-20, a C-64, a CoCo II, an original IBM PC (256K), a
generic 386DX-40, and the computer I'm typing on right now which I
slapped together about 10 years ago. All of them work fine and none of
them have connector problems, although I do have to blow the dust out
once in a while.


When was the last time you
opened up a piece of electronic equipment with a major brand name like
HP? Kenwood? GE? Motorola? Uniden? Do you really think that CONNECTORS
are an issue? Naw..... you are just looking for a reason to whine.

If you say your modular design is reliable then you must first define
reliable............HP's, Kenwoods, Motorolas that have been in use
for thirty years or more will all have connector problems.


On one of my benches I have an HP-1707B, an Eico 950B, and a Heathkit
IG-72. All are older than 30 years. I let my nephews use this bench.
Nothing on the bench has connector problems.

If there is one general type of electronic equipment that has a wide
variety of -lots- of connectors it's the reel-to-reel deck. I have a
large collection of vintage decks including Akai, Rheem/Roberts, TEAC,
Sony, Wollensak, Ampex, Concertone, Viking.....etc, etc. Most of them
are more than 30 years old and none of them have, or had, connector
problems except for the occasional loose phone jack.

When I was in the USMC the only connectors I had to replace were on
coax cables (the operators were quite rough with them) and the big,
bulky interconnection cables used on the command amtraks (which had
about 20-30 radios and intercom units and were heavily abused). None
of the connectors inside the radios ever needed replacement.

When I was working at the commercial radio shop the story was about
the same; mostly coax connectors and the occasional power plug.

During my time at the station, the only connectors that needed
replacem
If those
same connectors were solder joints you would eliminate that aspect
of reliability.


Wrong. Interconnection wires that are soldered have a high rate of
failure in abusive environments. That's why auto manufacturers use
connectors, even under the hood (and out of the nearly two dozen
vehicles I've owned, none of them had any connection problems,
either).

Your belief that a properly soldered connection is more likely to fail
than a connector tells us a lot about the success of your amp. This
amp symbolizes your life and is doomed from the start because of
your false beliefs. Your long stream of failures continue.

On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Sep 2006 03:53:36 -0700) it happened Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

knowing that your market is limited in both scope and time. Feel free
to waste your time on a product that will soon be without a market.
The only thing you have going for you is the price.... but then again,
have you done any market research lately? Do you know what people will
pay for a decent amp? Probably not. But I have.

So now that the cat's out of the bag, how hard are you going to fight
this? Or would you rather buy into it and make a ****load of money?
Feel free to email me with your answer.

There is a problem here with 'profit'.
I just had a look at where I bought some other stuff, what amplifiers
here go for:
100W MOSFET 42 Euro and 86 cent ( 54 $ and 44 cent).
500W 242 Euro and 93 cent (308 $ and 58 cent).
1000W 660 Euro and 15 cent (838 $ and 55 cent).

Will indeed be hard to make any $$$$ on 100W amps.
Not so different in the US I think, 1700W 650$:
http://www.amateurlinearamplifiers.c...ce=hotproducts

500W 329$
http://www.amateurlinearamplifiers.c...ce=hotproducts


I cannot make 100W for 54$, and I cannot make 1700W for 650$......
You have to count the hours too.

Telstar has been at it now for years.....
At 4$ profit per amplifier you'd have to sell zillions.
:-)

OTOH as a learning exercise making them was great.
Just that I stopped when they were at in the street with the radio car to
arrest me, spotted them just in time.... OK maybe I had some harmonics...
and one licensed amateur was upset.... when he did see me with those big
toobes.
'If I hear you I will turn you in'.
He was later overrun by a car IIRC.
It somehow strengthened my faith in God.
But that is all of the past, and not on 27MHz.

Honestly.
Damn are we honest today.