On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:53:06 -0700, Telstar Electronics
wrote in
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On Jul 8, 12:52 pm, Frank Gilliland
wrote:
How about some feedback from a customer (not a shill) after they have
installed it and used it for a couple months in the real world? Or,
even better, how about from some of the people on the other end (i.e,
the RECEIVING end -- why do I have to spell it out for you?)?

Frank... you know full well those people on ebay are not shills. When
a customer on ebay pays $40 for piece of equipment... you also know
damn well they are going to put it through its paces before they
report back on ebay feedback. You're really reaching on this Frank?


I can think of at least a dozen reasons why people would leave
positive feedback regardless of whether the item is tested or not.
Some of those reasons involve scams. Happens all the time.


Everybody knows by now you would never be satisfied with any evidence
I could produce.


Everyone who knows me, after all the time I've posted in this group,
knows that if I'm wrong I'll eat my words. I told you that just a
couple days ago, and others even stood up and vouched for me on that
very issue.


So hang it up Frank.


I don't think so, Brian. Let's put it this way: Suppose I test your
box and post the results. If they are good then you have a fantastic
testimonial from someone who has ridiculed your lack of electronics
knowledge and experience for ten years. If they are not so good, as I
suspect, then you are no worse off than if I sit here and criticize
your incompetence based on your own ignorant claims. So you really
have nothing to lose except a sale. And EVEN IF the results don't turn
out the way you claim, you may just gain an advocate who can at least
explain the proper operation of the box. Or, at the very least, offer
some constructive criticism that you could implement in the next
incarnation of this device (which I have done many times before, and
you have secretly taken and applied to your amps even though you
publically ridiculed my advice -- where's that schematic, Brian?).

There can be only one logical reason why you don't want me to test
your processor -- because it sucks.


You must think everybody is
really stupid out here... persisting in this attack... with not one
shred of proof of what you say.


Until I see credible evidence of your claims, instead of your usual
half-baked technical hocus-pocus and self-aggrandizing spam, I'm not
going to stop. If you don't like it, spam some other newsgroup. Or
don't, I couldn't care less. Actually, your ignorance has done some
positive things in this group. Not intentionally of course, but by
initiating discussions about how people can get suckered by false
technical claims and specifications. So do what you want. But just
remember that if your "business" suffers it's nobody's fault but your
own: YOU choose to spam this group; YOU choose to build and sell your
junk; YOU choose to hack other people's ideas and designs -- don't
even -=TRY=- to put any blame on me or anyone else in here.

Now go upstairs and find mommy, have a good cry on her shoulder, and
move on with your pathetic life in whatever direction YOU choose to
take it.

"Frank Gilliland" wrote...

I can think of at least a dozen reasons why people would leave
positive feedback regardless of whether the item is tested or not.
Some of those reasons involve scams. Happens all the time.

Not just scams, human nature.

There are people out there who have tested "miracle" magnetic
products and other fake items. They will swear that they
worked, as claimed or better.

Have you ever seen the effect where David Blaine levitates in
the street? What about the reports, from eye witnesses
that he levitated several feet off the ground?
It was not as they claim, but they were NOT shills or
stooges. They genuinely believe that is what they saw,
and will most likely remember it that way until the day
they die.

People can see what they want to see and remember
what they want to believe happened.

The only real way is to find out for yourself, put your hand
in your pocket. By then, if it's fake, it's too late now - you
have been had.
But, unless you have done that, or have the proof, you
really cannot state that a particular item is fake.

The other option is that, as a gesture of goodwill and to
show how honest he really is, he sends each of us a free
sample to test.
Oh yes and, either way, we get to keep it.

lol.


Regards,
Peter.
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/