"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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Bill Sohl wrote:

"Bert Craig" wrote in message
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"JEP" wrote in message
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YES! No code is killing
ham radio. See you on channel 22 good buddy.

And just what "facts" do you preent to back-up your claim
that: "No Code is killing ham radio?"

Odds are you haven't a single rational example.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

May I, Bill?

While I do not think No-Code Int'l. is "killing" ham radio, I do believe

it

is fostering a bad mindset.

If there were truly no no-code AR license available, I'd agree that the
Morse code exam is a barrier to those who neither possess the "Morse
aptitude" (For lack of a better term.) nor wish to utilize it OTA.

However,

there's been a no-code ticket available for over a decade now...with
some
pretty generous RF real estate and power limitations I might add.

IMHO, No-Code Int'l. has:

1. Encouraged the idea that it is preferable to lower the requirements
through mass petition rather than encourage individuals to strive toward
higher achievement. Some refer to it as "lowering the bar."


Call it whatever you want. I guess the states "lowered" the bar
when they stoped testing new drivers on manual gearbox autos.

This is an excellent point, Bill! And the answer is YES, they did! I
have a wife and kid that cannot drive a standard transmission auto or
truck. I can drive standard as well as automatic transmissioned
vehicles. Who knows more?

Does it make any difference at all. The point is that there is
no reason for states to test on manual gearbox
autos because 95% of new vehicles are automatic. Those
that want to will learn to drive a manual without any licensing
intervention needed from the state.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

Bill Sohl wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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Bill Sohl wrote:


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"JEP" wrote in message
gle.com...
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YES! No code is killing
ham radio. See you on channel 22 good buddy.

And just what "facts" do you preent to back-up your claim
that: "No Code is killing ham radio?"

Odds are you haven't a single rational example.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

May I, Bill?

While I do not think No-Code Int'l. is "killing" ham radio, I do believe

it


is fostering a bad mindset.

If there were truly no no-code AR license available, I'd agree that the
Morse code exam is a barrier to those who neither possess the "Morse
aptitude" (For lack of a better term.) nor wish to utilize it OTA.

However,


there's been a no-code ticket available for over a decade now...with

some

pretty generous RF real estate and power limitations I might add.

IMHO, No-Code Int'l. has:

1. Encouraged the idea that it is preferable to lower the requirements
through mass petition rather than encourage individuals to strive toward
higher achievement. Some refer to it as "lowering the bar."


Call it whatever you want. I guess the states "lowered" the bar
when they stoped testing new drivers on manual gearbox autos.

This is an excellent point, Bill! And the answer is YES, they did! I
have a wife and kid that cannot drive a standard transmission auto or
truck. I can drive standard as well as automatic transmissioned
vehicles. Who knows more?


Does it make any difference at all. The point is that there is
no reason for states to test on manual gearbox
autos because 95% of new vehicles are automatic. Those
that want to will learn to drive a manual without any licensing
intervention needed from the state.

My XYL refuses to parallel park, as do a number of others. She also
doesn't do three point turns. Your logic would eliminate those from the
test also. A person CAN drive for years and years, and if they do things
a certain way, they don't have to PP or TPT. She can drive 100 percent
of the time without it. Of course the odd emergency situation may come up.

Bill, if you don't want a Morse code test, that is fine, but you
shouldn't use a flawed argument to support it. 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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Bill Sohl wrote:
My XYL refuses to parallel park, as do a number of others. She also
doesn't do three point turns. Your logic would eliminate those from the
test also. A person CAN drive for years and years, and if they do things
a certain way, they don't have to PP or TPT. She can drive 100 percent
of the time without it. Of course the odd emergency situation may come up.

Bill, if you don't want a Morse code test, that is fine, but you
shouldn't use a flawed argument to support it. 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -


In Michigan, you will fail your driving exam if you can't parallel park and
do a 3 point turn. They are mandatory test elements. You can fail one but
not both.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Steveo ) wrote:
Hey Dee D. you see how he operates he is a troll and not only that
he
is an illegal freebander and HF bootlegger. Ask him about his
Collins
S-Line he operates without a license and why it is set up to
transmit
all over the spectrum he will go quiet real fast.

Wrong again, do you need it beat in to you with a clue by four?

You see Dee D. how Steveo gets violent he has a real problem with
anger first thing you know he is threatening to beat someone LOL. But
the part about his bootleg Collins HF station is true he brags about
it many times on rec.radio.cb ask him you know you hear about these
pirating radio spectrum outlaws in the FCC reports but I bet you never
met one well here he is his name is Steve Parks.

(No No Not George) wrote:
Steveo ) wrote:
Hey Dee D. you see how he operates he is a troll and not only that
he
is an illegal freebander and HF bootlegger. Ask him about his
Collins
S-Line he operates without a license and why it is set up to
transmit
all over the spectrum he will go quiet real fast.

Wrong again, do you need it beat in to you with a clue by four?

You see Dee D. how Steveo gets violent?

A clue by four is violent? Leave Dee alone already, leghumper.

No No Not George wrote:
met one well here he is his name is Steve Parks.

Youv'e been bamboozled, Sparky.
http://www.steve-park.com/

Bamboozled by a NA$CAR fan. That can't be good!
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Truckers get the best $20 whores

wrote:
No No Not George wrote:
met one well here he is his name is Steve Parks.

Youv'e been bamboozled, Sparky.
http://www.steve-park.com/

Bamboozled by a NA$CAR fan. That can't be good!

No, he's right. Mine has an s at the end. I gave my name up
freely to these jackass's a long time ago, along with where
I live.

No problems here.

Steveo wrote:
wrote:
No No Not George wrote:
met one well here he is his name is Steve Parks.

Youv'e been bamboozled, Sparky.
http://www.steve-park.com/

Bamboozled by a NA$CAR fan. That can't be good!

No, he's right. Mine has an s at the end. I gave my name up
freely to these jackass's a long time ago, along with where
I live.

No problems here.

Take off an 's', and your driver sucks. But hey, I'm just sayin.

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___________________________
Truckers get the best $20 whores

Steveo ) wrote:
Wrong again, do you need it beat in to you with a clue by four?

You see Dee D. how Steveo gets violent?

A clue by four is violent? Leave Dee alone already, leghumper.

Look at the thread you busted in on her so you started it dickwad.

(No No Not George) wrote:
Steveo ) wrote:
Wrong again, do you need it beat in to you with a clue by four?

You see Dee D. how Steveo gets violent?

A clue by four is violent? Leave Dee alone already, leghumper.

Look at the thread you busted in on her so you started it dickwad.

No, I've replied to Dee before, without your moderation. What
made you decide to chime in with your worthless tripe this time?