On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 05:19:54 GMT, "Landshark"
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:57:27 -0500, (Twistedhed)
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From: (Dave Hall) wrote:
The "DX" has nothing to do with the amount of splatter and the
distortion a signal may have. The only effect that "DX" may have is
heterodyning of co-channel signals. In any case, when my observations
were made, the "DX" was not running heavy enough that a clean sample
of any particular transmission could not be made.

Ummm, no Dave. DX has everything to do with DX splatter.


The only thing DX has to do with DX splatter is that if "DX" isn't
running you wouldn't hear it.

Splatter or out of bounds emissions are those falling outside the
normal bandwidth of a signal and are the result of modulation.

DX doesn't cause splatter it allows it to propgate farther.

"Lancer" wrote in message
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 05:19:54 GMT, "Landshark"
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:57:27 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

From: (Dave Hall) wrote:
The "DX" has nothing to do with the amount of splatter and the
distortion a signal may have. The only effect that "DX" may have is
heterodyning of co-channel signals. In any case, when my observations
were made, the "DX" was not running heavy enough that a clean sample
of any particular transmission could not be made.

Ummm, no Dave. DX has everything to do with DX splatter.


The only thing DX has to do with DX splatter is that if "DX" isn't
running you wouldn't hear it.

Probably, but if you have a 100 radio's and a third of
them are running their modulation clipped, then you
will hear it even worse, correct?


Splatter or out of bounds emissions are those falling outside the
normal bandwidth of a signal and are the result of modulation.


Correct

DX doesn't cause splatter it allows it to propgate farther.

Correct. When you have a lot more radio's trying to talk
on one freq, don't you think that it will now increase your
adjacent channel splatter?

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:48:46 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Lancer" wrote in message
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 05:19:54 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:57:27 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

From: (Dave Hall) wrote:
The "DX" has nothing to do with the amount of splatter and the
distortion a signal may have. The only effect that "DX" may have is
heterodyning of co-channel signals. In any case, when my observations
were made, the "DX" was not running heavy enough that a clean sample
of any particular transmission could not be made.

Ummm, no Dave. DX has everything to do with DX splatter.


The only thing DX has to do with DX splatter is that if "DX" isn't
running you wouldn't hear it.

Probably, but if you have a 100 radio's and a third of
them are running their modulation clipped, then you
will hear it even worse, correct?

It would only be worse because now you can hear the 100 radios.

Splatter or out of bounds emissions are those falling outside the
normal bandwidth of a signal and are the result of modulation.


Correct

DX doesn't cause splatter it allows it to propgate farther.

Correct. When you have a lot more radio's trying to talk
on one freq, don't you think that it will now increase your
adjacent channel splatter?


Only because you now can hear more radios. skip doesn't cause
splatter.

Take the same 100 radios that were causing splatter when the skip was
running (all stations running S9). Now move them all so they are
local to you (again all stations running S9). From what you have said
you believe the splatter is going to decrease ?

"Lancer" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:48:46 GMT, "Landshark"
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"Lancer" wrote in message
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 05:19:54 GMT, "Landshark"
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:57:27 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

From: (Dave Hall) wrote:
The "DX" has nothing to do with the amount of splatter and the
distortion a signal may have. The only effect that "DX" may have is
heterodyning of co-channel signals. In any case, when my observations
were made, the "DX" was not running heavy enough that a clean sample
of any particular transmission could not be made.

Ummm, no Dave. DX has everything to do with DX splatter.


The only thing DX has to do with DX splatter is that if "DX" isn't
running you wouldn't hear it.

Probably, but if you have a 100 radio's and a third of
them are running their modulation clipped, then you
will hear it even worse, correct?

It would only be worse because now you can hear the 100 radios.

Splatter or out of bounds emissions are those falling outside the
normal bandwidth of a signal and are the result of modulation.


Correct

DX doesn't cause splatter it allows it to propgate farther.

Correct. When you have a lot more radio's trying to talk
on one freq, don't you think that it will now increase your
adjacent channel splatter?


Only because you now can hear more radios. skip doesn't cause
splatter.

Take the same 100 radios that were causing splatter when the skip was
running (all stations running S9). Now move them all so they are
local to you (again all stations running S9). From what you have said
you believe the splatter is going to decrease ?

Well. It has been my experience that when skips
running, you will have more incidents of adjacent
channel splatter than when it's not. I'm sure "Skip"
is not causing it, but it sure does "Heighten" it.

Landshark


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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:48:46 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Lancer" wrote in message
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 05:19:54 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:57:27 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

From: (Dave Hall) wrote:
The "DX" has nothing to do with the amount of splatter and the
distortion a signal may have. The only effect that "DX" may have is
heterodyning of co-channel signals. In any case, when my observations
were made, the "DX" was not running heavy enough that a clean sample
of any particular transmission could not be made.

Ummm, no Dave. DX has everything to do with DX splatter.


The only thing DX has to do with DX splatter is that if "DX" isn't
running you wouldn't hear it.

Probably, but if you have a 100 radio's and a third of
them are running their modulation clipped, then you
will hear it even worse, correct?


Splatter or out of bounds emissions are those falling outside the
normal bandwidth of a signal and are the result of modulation.


Correct

DX doesn't cause splatter it allows it to propgate farther.

Correct. When you have a lot more radio's trying to talk
on one freq, don't you think that it will now increase your
adjacent channel splatter?

Ok, so if I understand you correctly, you are now making the case
that I cannot identify the exact station which is creating the
splatter due to the sheer number of competing stations. Ok, you have a
valid point in some cases. In many cases all you have is combined
"noise", and it's impossible to distinguish any one individual. On the
other hand, especially on channel 6, there is always one or two
stations which stand out head and shoulders above the pack. You can
plainly hear his splatter on adjacent channels. Those are the guys who
I base my observations on.

Remember, I never said that *all* the stations on channel 6 are
illegal, just the loud and proud ones.


Then there is also the issue of aggregate signal differences. If the
average noise/signal level on most of the 40 channels is running
around S8, and while on channel 6, it is +10db over S9, that suggests
that the average power level of the users there is at a higher level
than those on the other channels. Skip doesn't favor any one channel
(in a band as small as the CB band) over another so the conditions
should be the same on all the channels.

Dave
"Sandbagger"

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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Ok, so if I understand you correctly, you are now making the case
that I cannot identify the exact station which is creating the
splatter due to the sheer number of competing stations. Ok, you have a
valid point in some cases. In many cases all you have is combined
"noise", and it's impossible to distinguish any one individual.

BINGO!!!!! And just becuase of the sheer numbers of
operators, legal or illegal the DX alone is helping intesify
the splatter, because "everyone is trying to get into the
feeding frenzy.

On the
other hand, especially on channel 6, there is always one or two
stations which stand out head and shoulders above the pack.

Maybe where you are, not where I live. Chaneel 17 & 19
have the most noice when skip is running.

You can
plainly hear his splatter on adjacent channels. Those are the guys who
I base my observations on.

Opinion, everyones entitled to one.


Remember, I never said that *all* the stations on channel 6 are
illegal, just the loud and proud ones.


Then there is also the issue of aggregate signal differences. If the
average noise/signal level on most of the 40 channels is running
around S8, and while on channel 6, it is +10db over S9, that suggests
that the average power level of the users there is at a higher level
than those on the other channels. Skip doesn't favor any one channel
(in a band as small as the CB band) over another so the conditions
should be the same on all the channels.

Dave
"Sandbagger"


Landshark


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Lancer at rock.com wrote:

The only thing DX has to do with DX splatter is
that if "DX" isn't running you wouldn't hear it.


Which is what Davie took issue with.