On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:11:35 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in :

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:32:57 -0600, "Charlie"
wrote:

Those with any sense do not do "free banding" since it is limited by
comparison to legal Ham bands privileges.....

Assuming freebanders have ham licenses. Most don't.


Post your source, Dave.


Any ham who works H.F. knows that conditions vary between the bands.
If DX is the name of the game, those who are rabid about it, will seek
out whatever avenues exist to achieve that goal.


Even if it means illegal operation.


From a propagation standpoint, there is little difference in
conditions between 10, 11 and 12 meters. But there are far more
operators on 11 meters at any given time, so there are more chances to
make that "rare" contact.

That doesn't make it right, but it does explain why.


You are clueless, Dave. 11 meters can be wide open when 10 and 12
meters are totally dead. That's the nature of the band and that part
of the spectrum. And that's one big reason why many hams operate
illegally on the CB.





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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:21:16 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:11:35 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in :

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:32:57 -0600, "Charlie"
wrote:

Those with any sense do not do "free banding" since it is limited by
comparison to legal Ham bands privileges.....

Assuming freebanders have ham licenses. Most don't.


Post your source, Dave.

Common sense, and statistical probability. At the time CB was at it's
biggest peak, the number of licensed CB'ers outnumbered hams by nearly
10:1. With that many CB'ers it stands to reason that the greatest
source of freeband activity comes from CB.


Any ham who works H.F. knows that conditions vary between the bands.
If DX is the name of the game, those who are rabid about it, will seek
out whatever avenues exist to achieve that goal.


Even if it means illegal operation.

Shameful but true. Even some hams have a tough time obeying the rules
these days.




From a propagation standpoint, there is little difference in
conditions between 10, 11 and 12 meters. But there are far more
operators on 11 meters at any given time, so there are more chances to
make that "rare" contact.

That doesn't make it right, but it does explain why.


You are clueless, Dave. 11 meters can be wide open when 10 and 12
meters are totally dead. That's the nature of the band and that part
of the spectrum. And that's one big reason why many hams operate
illegally on the CB.

Pure B.S. Frank. There is no way that 11 meters can be "wide open" and
10 meters not be equally open. They're only 1 Mhz apart, so
propagation characteristics are virtually the same. Even if you try to
use the MUF argument, then how would that explain 12 meters? Surely
you aren't going to argue, just for the sake of arguing, that the
conditions on 27.555 are all that much different than what's on
28.005?

What IS different though are the amount of operators present. The old;
"If a tree fell in the woods and no one was there, did it really make
a noise" analogy holds here. If the 10 meter band was wide open but no
one was using it, were the conditions really different?

The plain truth is that 12 meters is a lightly used ham band. 10
meters is pretty much only active when the sunspot cycle is high, and
people look there for DX. Otherwise hams tend to flock to 15 meters
and lower to make their DX contacts. If a sporadic band opening
happens on 10 meters, most would miss it. But with millions of CBers
flooding the legal channels, you have an instant beacon that tells
when the band is opening. Just listen to the noise level rise.

Is your zeal to argue with me overriding the illogic of your position?
Besides, I though you had a new job? Isn't it time you got to work?

Dave
"Sandbagger"

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:11:22 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in :

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:21:16 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:11:35 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in :

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:32:57 -0600, "Charlie"
wrote:

Those with any sense do not do "free banding" since it is limited by
comparison to legal Ham bands privileges.....

Assuming freebanders have ham licenses. Most don't.


Post your source, Dave.

Common sense, and statistical probability.


IOW, you are just guessing.


At the time CB was at it's
biggest peak, the number of licensed CB'ers outnumbered hams by nearly
10:1.


Post your source, Dave. Or are you guessing about that, too?


With that many CB'ers it stands to reason that the greatest
source of freeband activity comes from CB.


Pure conjecture.


Any ham who works H.F. knows that conditions vary between the bands.
If DX is the name of the game, those who are rabid about it, will seek
out whatever avenues exist to achieve that goal.


Even if it means illegal operation.

Shameful but true. Even some hams have a tough time obeying the rules
these days.




From a propagation standpoint, there is little difference in
conditions between 10, 11 and 12 meters. But there are far more
operators on 11 meters at any given time, so there are more chances to
make that "rare" contact.

That doesn't make it right, but it does explain why.


You are clueless, Dave. 11 meters can be wide open when 10 and 12
meters are totally dead. That's the nature of the band and that part
of the spectrum. And that's one big reason why many hams operate
illegally on the CB.

Pure B.S. Frank. There is no way that 11 meters can be "wide open" and
10 meters not be equally open. They're only 1 Mhz apart, so
propagation characteristics are virtually the same.


Despite your claim that it can't happen, it does.


Even if you try to
use the MUF argument, then how would that explain 12 meters? Surely
you aren't going to argue, just for the sake of arguing, that the
conditions on 27.555 are all that much different than what's on
28.005?


Maybe you should take this from the scientific perspective: Make the
observations and -then- formulate your theory on how and why such
things occur.


What IS different though are the amount of operators present. The old;
"If a tree fell in the woods and no one was there, did it really make
a noise" analogy holds here. If the 10 meter band was wide open but no
one was using it, were the conditions really different?


You're hopeless, Dave. The "analogy" you poorly quoted is an exercise
in existentialism, not radio-wave propogation.


The plain truth is that 12 meters is a lightly used ham band. 10
meters is pretty much only active when the sunspot cycle is high, and
people look there for DX. Otherwise hams tend to flock to 15 meters
and lower to make their DX contacts.


Maybe that's what happens in your neck of the woods (where trees fall
without making a sound).


If a sporadic band opening
happens on 10 meters, most would miss it. But with millions of CBers
flooding the legal channels, you have an instant beacon that tells
when the band is opening. Just listen to the noise level rise.

Is your zeal to argue with me overriding the illogic of your position?


Is your zeal to argue with me overriding the fact that you never
noticed how sometimes half the CB is dead while the other half is
skipping like a kid playing hopscotch?


Besides, I though you had a new job? Isn't it time you got to work?


I have the day off. Isn't it time you got a job?






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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:11:35 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in :

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:32:57 -0600, "Charlie"
wrote:

Those with any sense do not do "free banding" since it is limited by
comparison to legal Ham bands privileges.....

Assuming freebanders have ham licenses. Most don't.

Post your source, Dave.

Any ham who works H.F. knows that conditions vary between the bands.
If DX is the name of the game, those who are rabid about it, will seek
out whatever avenues exist to achieve that goal.

Even if it means illegal operation.

From a propagation standpoint, there is little difference in
conditions between 10, 11 and 12 meters. But there are far more
operators on 11 meters at any given time, so there are more chances to
make that "rare" contact.

That doesn't make it right, but it does explain why.

You are clueless, Dave. 11 meters can be wide open when 10 and 12
meters are totally dead. That's the nature of the band and that part
of the spectrum. And that's one big reason why many hams operate
illegally on the CB.

The hams I know use the freeband for local talk as much or more
than for DX. They do if for fun.

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