On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:39:09 GMT, "charlesb"
wrote:


"Gene Storey" wrote in message
news:xpfEb.2188$6l1.1526@okepread03...

It's sort of like the ford and chevy argument.

I suppose it might seem that way, if you were a clueless moron. - Implying
that the Internet and Radio were two interchangeable aspects of the amateur
radio hobby and that there really is no difference between ham radio and
commercial, non-ham stuff. - So why not just get on the Internet and call it
Ham Radio?

Why is there so much hostility towards IRLP?

It's because there are so many hams who are too intelligent to go for Gene's
alleged "reasoning" in this matter.

They see the damage it does to the hobby and unlike Gene, they care.

What damage? If anything it will maybe help save the hobby which
is little, by little dying. If the hobby doesn't modernize and change
then it will die. Young people don't see or care for CW, but with
computers, they do see a way to communicate and are trying to
bring people into the modern era of ham radio. It's the old timers
that keep resisting change that are going to kill the hobby and
if they keep bashing the younger people that are finding new
ways to communicate via computer/radio, they will leave and
the FCC will continue to take the frequencies that ham radio
uses away since they are not being used, mainly VHF & UHF.

Regards,

James

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Why is there so much hostility towards IRLP?

What damage? If anything it will maybe help save the hobby which
is little, by little dying.


The purists are out against anything that intermingles and supplements
amateur RADIO communications with commercial RADIO and NON RADIO networks no
matter how much it enhances the end product of VHF/UHF Amateur Radio.

If you can talk from here to there on VHF using neat tricks why bother
taking tests to get on HF ?

IRLP and Echolink are Amateur Radio blasphemy to the puritans.

To me, its all neat stuff.. even the HF. Part of being interested in overall
communications technology rather than a narrow sampling of what is
available. To each his own.

Steve
N2UBP

"Steve Stone" wrote in message
...
Why is there so much hostility towards IRLP?

What damage? If anything it will maybe help save the hobby which
is little, by little dying.


The purists are out against anything that intermingles and supplements
amateur RADIO communications with commercial RADIO and NON RADIO networks no
matter how much it enhances the end product of VHF/UHF Amateur Radio.

Really?
Perhaps you have not been reading what folks have written.
In any case, tell us all about that enhancement.
How many new licensees has IRLP brought into the hobby?
What bands and modes do they use?
Same questions for EchoLink.
Where did you get your data?

If you can talk from here to there on VHF using neat tricks why bother
taking tests to get on HF ?

Ah. You do understand a little bit.

IRLP and Echolink are Amateur Radio blasphemy to the puritans.

The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance."

To me, its all neat stuff.. even the HF. Part of being interested in overall
communications technology rather than a narrow sampling of what is
available. To each his own.

Have fun!

Steve
N2UBP



--

... Hank

Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net
W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net

"Hank Oredson" wrote

The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance."

So VOIP is stupid, and the people who do computer networking are
ignorant.

Right...

Gene Storey wrote:

"Hank Oredson" wrote

The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance."

So VOIP is stupid, and the people who do computer networking are
ignorant.

Right...

I resemble that comment ;-) (I do VoIP and Computer Networking for work.)

--
Donovan Hill

Gene Storey wrote:

"Hank Oredson" wrote

The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance."

So VOIP is stupid, and the people who do computer networking are
ignorant.

Right...

I resemble that comment ;-) (I do VoIP and Computer Networking for work.)

--
Donovan Hill

In any case, tell us all about that enhancement.

In my neighborhood it allows the snowbirds who migrate every winter
southwest to communicate daily with their familes back in the Poconos when
HF conditions suck.

The National Weather Service Forecast Office that serves my area is approx
100 miles from my QTH.
They run Skywarn nets on a Long Island, NY VHF repeater that I can not get
into via radio due to terrain up in my parts. Echolink is the only way I can
get into these nets.

The Mount Holly, NJ NWS Forecast Office also uses echolink to run nets into
areas that they serve that can not be reached using VHF repeaters.

I seriously doubt Echolink would be reliable during a real weather
emergency like a hurricane.

How many new licensees has IRLP brought into the hobby?

Wild Ass Guess = none.

What bands and modes do they use?

Who is they ?

Same questions for EchoLink.

Same answers for Echolink.

Where did you get your data?

My data in general ? From a legacy mainframe running db2 and QMF version
7.1. I'm an SQL coder in real life.

My ham radio data.. well that is from actual real time observations.



If you equate good things for amateur radio = more new licenses you are
never going to be a happy guy.

My nephew in his late teens is into music, hot rodding cars, and computers.
no interest in radio.

I recently gave a ham radio pitch to a troop of Boy Scouts at our Emergency
Management Office.

I'd say about 10 percent had a minor interest in the radios. 1 percent were
real hot about ham radio.


Steve
N2UBP

"Hank Oredson" wrote

The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance."

So VOIP is stupid, and the people who do computer networking are
ignorant.

Right...

In any case, tell us all about that enhancement.

In my neighborhood it allows the snowbirds who migrate every winter
southwest to communicate daily with their familes back in the Poconos when
HF conditions suck.

The National Weather Service Forecast Office that serves my area is approx
100 miles from my QTH.
They run Skywarn nets on a Long Island, NY VHF repeater that I can not get
into via radio due to terrain up in my parts. Echolink is the only way I can
get into these nets.

The Mount Holly, NJ NWS Forecast Office also uses echolink to run nets into
areas that they serve that can not be reached using VHF repeaters.

I seriously doubt Echolink would be reliable during a real weather
emergency like a hurricane.

How many new licensees has IRLP brought into the hobby?

Wild Ass Guess = none.

What bands and modes do they use?

Who is they ?

Same questions for EchoLink.

Same answers for Echolink.

Where did you get your data?

My data in general ? From a legacy mainframe running db2 and QMF version
7.1. I'm an SQL coder in real life.

My ham radio data.. well that is from actual real time observations.



If you equate good things for amateur radio = more new licenses you are
never going to be a happy guy.

My nephew in his late teens is into music, hot rodding cars, and computers.
no interest in radio.

I recently gave a ham radio pitch to a troop of Boy Scouts at our Emergency
Management Office.

I'd say about 10 percent had a minor interest in the radios. 1 percent were
real hot about ham radio.


Steve
N2UBP

"Steve Stone" wrote in message
...
Why is there so much hostility towards IRLP?

What damage? If anything it will maybe help save the hobby which
is little, by little dying.


The purists are out against anything that intermingles and supplements
amateur RADIO communications with commercial RADIO and NON RADIO networks no
matter how much it enhances the end product of VHF/UHF Amateur Radio.

Really?
Perhaps you have not been reading what folks have written.
In any case, tell us all about that enhancement.
How many new licensees has IRLP brought into the hobby?
What bands and modes do they use?
Same questions for EchoLink.
Where did you get your data?

If you can talk from here to there on VHF using neat tricks why bother
taking tests to get on HF ?

Ah. You do understand a little bit.

IRLP and Echolink are Amateur Radio blasphemy to the puritans.

The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance."

To me, its all neat stuff.. even the HF. Part of being interested in overall
communications technology rather than a narrow sampling of what is
available. To each his own.

Have fun!

Steve
N2UBP



--

... Hank

Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net
W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net