"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote

or that they fail to render oaths and allegiance
to Hans Brakob?

Steve, could you point out to me where this "render oaths and
allegiance" bull**** comes from? Had to double check and make sure the
post didn't come from Len Anderson!


Your point was?


If you have to ask, you probably won't "get it", but I've got a hot news
flash for you. Those fellas taking the FCC tests at DU and JA hamfests
aren't dual citizens of DU (or JA) and Saipan, they're souveneir
collectors and reciprocal-licensing cheats.

There are a small handful of "will-call" PO boxes in KH0 and KH2 which
are the "home address" for hundreds of JA and DU citizens. (What do all
these calls have in common? KH2O KH0JQ KH0JU KH0KW AH0BB KH0BZ KH0CG
KH0CQ KH0HQ KH0HZ WH0V NH0F WH0B WH0C AH0AS AH0AU KH0CN KH0DD ......and
I could go on for hundreds of desirable KH0/KH2 call signs held by
foreign nationals who've never set foot on Guam/Saipan/US soil and
likely have no intention to ever do so.)

Here's how it works. DU1XYZ or JA1XYZ knows a guy on KH0 or KH2 and has
him rent a PO Box. Then he gets himself and a couple of buddies a W5YI
VE certificate and holds exams. Applicants are given the KH0 or KH2 PO
Box address (for a "consideration") and "bingo", they have their
souveneir US call sign. Over half of the KH0 and KH2 2x1 calls have
been scarfed up by JA's and DU's. Meanwhile some kid on Guam or Saipan
who upgrades to Extra has to wait until a JA or DU fella croaks over to
capture a desireable call, unless some other JA or DU captures it first
for a souvenier.

Besides "souveniers" I mentioned reciprocal-licensing cheats, which is a
primary reason so many KH0/KH2 calls go to JA's..... Because JA only
has reciprocal agreements with a dozen or less countries, a US license
is an essential tool for JA DXpeditioners --- let's say they'd like to
do a DXpedition to V7 or VP9 . Their JA license is useless, but let
them flash a KH0 license and wham, he's VP9DX with no questions asked.
Meanwhile some kid on Guam or Saipan who upgrades to Extra has to wait
until a JA fella croaks over to capture a desireable call (unless some
other JA captures it first for his reciprocal-cheat scheme).

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:06:31 GMT, "KØHB"
wrote:

There are a small handful of "will-call" PO boxes in KH0 and KH2 which
are the "home address" for hundreds of JA and DU citizens.

That's correct. And in California and a few other places too.

Besides "souveniers" I mentioned reciprocal-licensing cheats, which is a
primary reason so many KH0/KH2 calls go to JA's..... Because JA only
has reciprocal agreements with a dozen or less countries, a US license
is an essential tool for JA DXpeditioners --- let's say they'd like to
do a DXpedition to V7 or VP9 . Their JA license is useless, but let
them flash a KH0 license and wham, he's VP9DX with no questions asked.

That's also correct.

But now that all the KH2 and KH0 extra calls are gone, the JA's are
having to suffer with continental U.S. calls or Hawaii calls, poor
babies. N3FW, AD7AL, NB6A, NH7IG, KK2H, K8VR, N1VF, etc.

No, Frank Wilson, you can't get your intials for your call sign, even
though you do REALLY live in Maryland. You have to wait until Fujimoto
Wazawari in Tokyo dies and then wait two more years.

My favorite at QRZ.COM:

"KK2H - Please send QSL to my home call, JL1UXH. If you send anything
to the address in the U.S., my cousin has to forward it to Japan."

That sucks. Hate wasting good Yen buying U.S. stamps.

The official position of the WTB in Washington, D.C., when I talked to
them on the phone about all of the above and a few other questionable
items a few years back was:

"It's not our job to verify addresses. It's our job to issue
licenses."

Which they continue to do, to anybody that wants one and who
passed a "test"....

So..... Any U.S. address + V.E. "exam" in a foreign country
(administered by foreign nationals who could never be extradited to
the U.S. to face charges for holding "funny" exams) = U.S. Extra Class
Souvenir Call Sign and International Reciprocal Radio Passport.

Good system. A U.S. V.E. makes a mistake on the paperwork and the FCC
nails his nuts to the wall, but nobody notices when Yoshi, Toshi, and
Schosi send their paperwork in from Japan.

W5YI or the ARRL make six bucks everytime a JA gets a U.S. license at
a VE test held in Tokyo, so everybody is fat, dumb, and happy. Turn
your head, cash the check, ten more extra's, what the heck......

Welcum to the Wunnerful Werld of Ham Radio. Nobody cares.

At least the FCC did do something about club calls. They took 42 of
them away from a JA few years back :-) But for some strange reason,
they let him keep his primary station license, a W9 extra class U.S.
call.

73, Jim KH2D

At least the FCC did do something about club calls. They took 42 of
them away from a JA few years back :-) But for some strange reason,
they let him keep his primary station license, a W9 extra class U.S.
call.

73, Jim KH2D


Maybe they should get calls like WJ#XXX, or KJ#XXX...
If the FCC decides that it's proper for foriegners to
get American ham licenses.....

Robert Casey wrote in news:PxAod.10361$Qh3.9984
@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:


At least the FCC did do something about club calls. They took 42 of
them away from a JA few years back :-) But for some strange reason,
they let him keep his primary station license, a W9 extra class U.S.
call.

73, Jim KH2D


Maybe they should get calls like WJ#XXX, or KJ#XXX...
If the FCC decides that it's proper for foriegners to
get American ham licenses.....


Foreigners have been able to get US licences for many decades. I'm one.

Only representatives of a foreign government can't get a US call. Try
reading Part 97.

73 de Alun, N3KIP

On 23 Nov 2004 06:29:39 GMT, Alun wrote:

Foreigners have been able to get US licences for many decades. I'm one.

Only representatives of a foreign government can't get a US call. Try
reading Part 97.

73 de Alun, N3KIP

I have read it. A few times. If you live in the U.S. and get a U.S.
license, I doubt there's any complaints. If you live in Germany,
have never been to the U.S., and never intend to go to the U.S.,
I doubt many people would deem it necessary for you to have a
U.S. license.

73, Jim KH2D

wrote in :

On 23 Nov 2004 06:29:39 GMT, Alun wrote:

Foreigners have been able to get US licences for many decades. I'm one.

Only representatives of a foreign government can't get a US call. Try
reading Part 97.

73 de Alun, N3KIP

I have read it. A few times. If you live in the U.S. and get a U.S.
license, I doubt there's any complaints. If you live in Germany,
have never been to the U.S., and never intend to go to the U.S.,
I doubt many people would deem it necessary for you to have a
U.S. license.

73, Jim KH2D




Quite true, but if you live in Germany and nip down to your local USAF
facility for a VE sesion you can get a US licence, all legal and above
board.

There's an obvious solution. If someone takes a VE test overseas and has no
US address, they ought to be given a sequentially issued call in one of the
less populous FCC districts, say the 1st district.

wrote in :

On 23 Nov 2004 06:29:39 GMT, Alun wrote:

Foreigners have been able to get US licences for many decades. I'm one.

Only representatives of a foreign government can't get a US call. Try
reading Part 97.

73 de Alun, N3KIP

I have read it. A few times. If you live in the U.S. and get a U.S.
license, I doubt there's any complaints. If you live in Germany,
have never been to the U.S., and never intend to go to the U.S.,
I doubt many people would deem it necessary for you to have a
U.S. license.

73, Jim KH2D




Quite true, but if you live in Germany and nip down to your local USAF
facility for a VE sesion you can get a US licence, all legal and above
board.

There's an obvious solution. If someone takes a VE test overseas and has no
US address, they ought to be given a sequentially issued call in one of the
less populous FCC districts, say the 1st district.

On 23 Nov 2004 06:29:39 GMT, Alun wrote:

Foreigners have been able to get US licences for many decades. I'm one.

Only representatives of a foreign government can't get a US call. Try
reading Part 97.

73 de Alun, N3KIP

I have read it. A few times. If you live in the U.S. and get a U.S.
license, I doubt there's any complaints. If you live in Germany,
have never been to the U.S., and never intend to go to the U.S.,
I doubt many people would deem it necessary for you to have a
U.S. license.

73, Jim KH2D

Robert Casey wrote in news:PxAod.10361$Qh3.9984
@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:


At least the FCC did do something about club calls. They took 42 of
them away from a JA few years back :-) But for some strange reason,
they let him keep his primary station license, a W9 extra class U.S.
call.

73, Jim KH2D


Maybe they should get calls like WJ#XXX, or KJ#XXX...
If the FCC decides that it's proper for foriegners to
get American ham licenses.....


Foreigners have been able to get US licences for many decades. I'm one.

Only representatives of a foreign government can't get a US call. Try
reading Part 97.

73 de Alun, N3KIP

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 06:13:03 GMT, Robert Casey
wrote:


At least the FCC did do something about club calls. They took 42 of
them away from a JA few years back :-) But for some strange reason,
they let him keep his primary station license, a W9 extra class U.S.
call.

73, Jim KH2D


Maybe they should get calls like WJ#XXX, or KJ#XXX...
If the FCC decides that it's proper for foriegners to
get American ham licenses.....

Or maybe they should just operate as JA1xxx/W7, which they are
entitled to do with NO paperwork required. You're missing the point.

If somebody from outside the U.S. lives in U.S., and wants to get
a U.S. call, very few people would have a problem with that. I
sure don't have a problem with that.

The problem is the use of bogus addresses by people who have
never set foot in the U.S. to get U.S. licenses.

The FCC a long time ago decided it was proper for non U.S. citizens
in the U.S. to get U.S. licenses, they removed the citizenship
requierment years ago. I doubt they ever intended for the JA ham
club in Tokyo to get a P.O. Box in California so they could get a
thousand U.S. licenses as souvenirs.....

And the other problem is with V.E. tests that are administered
outside of the U.S. by foreign nationals. Yes, there should be U.S.
amateur radio tests available in Japan - at the U.S. embassy so
that U.S. citizens and U.S. military personel could take them - but
not at the sushi bar administered by three JA's who have U.S.
souvenir call signs. And there should not be U.S. license exams
at a hamfest in the Philippines so that anybody who wants a U.S.
license can buy one.

Why can't I take a test for a Japanese ham license in Florida ?

73, Jim KH2D