there) One would, however, think common sense would tell people even if
you do know which DX station is there, you're going to have to be able to
hear him to make a QSO!

Not really....let me explain how that works in today's computer world.

You call and call and call and hope he hears you. Then you check the
internet automatic log to see if your call shows up. In the meantime you
keep calling.

See?

Dan/W4NTI

"N1KI" wrote in message
...
I am not sure if this is appropriate under this subject, but it may
help explain what is going on. A few weeks ago I spent an evening
when 80 meters was open to Europe listening around the lower CW
portion of the band. Several stations were CQ'ing with no callers,
but they would have an instant pile up shortly after I "spotted" them
on the clusters. I suspect many of these had called before ever
hearing the DX station.

Horses are the only animal I know whose body can travel in separate
parts. Unfortunately, we all know which part we most frequently
encounter on the bands....

You know the answer as well as the rest of the DX savvy know. Those dang
clusters are so easy, folks don't tune any more. They just sit and let the
cluster beep a new one.

I was in a contest not too long ago. I worked a BUNCH of stations on 40
meters and it started to slow down a bit. I then suddenly was deluged with
callers. ALL DUPES....every single one DUPES.

So I just went QRT. After the contest was over I checked the spots for
W4NTI....guess what? At the time of the "strange happs" guess what someone
listed on the freq I was on? W4TNI. Yep.

Dan/W4NTI

"Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message
...

I have had the experience of operating from several spots in the world would
be considered DX. I guess the most activity would have been from the
Marshall Islands. I was KX6AA in the early 80s.

Hands down the best operators were the Japanese. If you told them to QRX
they did, if you said JA 1,2, etc. That's all that answered. I can't say
the same for Stateside.

So I ended up making a black list, and sticking by it. But from what I
hear now-a-days that won't help, they will just keep calling anyway. Why
is that? Because they read it on the packet cluster and really can't copy
CW anyway. Lidism to the max. What a deal.

Dan/W4NTI

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:14:54 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI
wrote:

OK, there hasn't been much posted here lately that's actually about DX,
so here goes...

Just worked 6O0N on 20 meters CW. The QSO would have happened much
faster if not for some of the stations listed below:

6O0N: KN5??
Callers: K7LB KC6AWX KA5TQF

6O0N: VE7??
Callers: W6VM AB9H KA5TQF

6O0N: KC6AWX 5NN
Callers: several, but NOT KC6AWX!

6O0N: W9WI 5NN
Caller: K7LB
(I *did* complete the QSO successfully)

6O0N: KA5TQF 5NN
Callers: VE7AHA VE2FVD AA6W (but NOT KA5TQF!)

6O0N: WB??
Caller: AA6W

There are, of course, some patterns here. You can also rest assured the
stations mentioned weren't the only lids calling DX they apparently
can't copy. (I was listening in 500Hz bandwidth on the second receiver
so only heard about 1/4 of the pileup at any given time)

Yes, when the 6O came back to KC6AWX, and later when he came back to
KA5TQF, they didn't hear him... they were calling a DX station they
couldn't hear... I suppose that's probably not a surprise to the real
DXers on this forum... At least to TQF's credit, he did copy the 6O on
the third try...

Add to that the European station who decided to call CQ dead on top of
the 6O without bothering to ask whether the frequency was in use...
(but much to my pleasant surprise, nobody but the 6O told him to QSY...)

interesting I was always told how much better all cw op were than
vioce and date ops like myself

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You can also rest assured the stations mentioned weren't the only
lids calling DX they apparently can't copy.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hopefully you sent a copy of your email to each of the offenders.

73, Bill W6WRT

Have I ever called on the DX's frequency?

Yes.

Have I ever missed my call?

Yes.

If you haven't made these, and other mistakes, you probably haven't
been DXing long.

Do I use spots?

Yes.

Back in the 80s the W7PHO net would hold your hand during a contact.
They even repeated your call and reports at times. Is this any better
than using a spot? Did I ever check into the PHO net.

Well,yes.

Win, w0lz

Good point...the whole idea is to get them in the log anyway you can. It
certainly makes no difference to the DXCC desk if you got the "new one" by a
dx net, chasing spots, your buddy telephoned you, or you used the old way of
tuning and listening, hoping, tuning listening, hoping..you get the idea!

--

Charlie-AD5TH
www.ad5th.com


"Win" wrote in message
...

Have I ever called on the DX's frequency?

Yes.

Have I ever missed my call?

Yes.

If you haven't made these, and other mistakes, you probably haven't
been DXing long.

Do I use spots?

Yes.

Back in the 80s the W7PHO net would hold your hand during a contact.
They even repeated your call and reports at times. Is this any better
than using a spot? Did I ever check into the PHO net.

Well,yes.

Win, w0lz

Win wrote:
Have I ever called on the DX's frequency?

Yes.

Have I ever missed my call?

Yes.

If you haven't made these, and other mistakes, you probably haven't
been DXing long.

An occasional error is to be expected. I've certainly done all of this.

When it happens over and over and over again, that's not an occasional
error.

When the DX comes back to a given caller *several times* - and there's
no QRM on the DX's transmit frequency to make it difficult to copy - and
the same caller is one of the continuous callers who's been sending his
call over and over again for the last five minutes regardless of who the
DX came back to - there's a pattern. That's not an honest error; that's
being a lid.
--
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Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Ham stuff for sale:
http://www.w9wi.com/articles/4sale.htm

On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 05:40:07 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI
wrote:

Win wrote:
Have I ever called on the DX's frequency?

Yes.

Have I ever missed my call?

Yes.

If you haven't made these, and other mistakes, you probably haven't
been DXing long.

An occasional error is to be expected. I've certainly done all of this.

When it happens over and over and over again, that's not an occasional
error.

When the DX comes back to a given caller *several times* - and there's
no QRM on the DX's transmit frequency to make it difficult to copy - and
the same caller is one of the continuous callers who's been sending his
call over and over again for the last five minutes regardless of who the
DX came back to - there's a pattern. That's not an honest error; that's
being a lid.

can you realy know that the other station is hearing some interference
you are not?

I would say no so you are presuming to know what the other station 's
problem lack of skill vs local interfence not strong enough to
propogate

and presuming leaving one at risk of much the same as assuming

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On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 05:40:07 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI
wrote:

When the DX comes back to a given caller *several times* - and there's
no QRM on the DX's transmit frequency to make it difficult to copy - and
the same caller is one of the continuous callers who's been sending his
call over and over again for the last five minutes regardless of who the
DX came back to - there's a pattern. That's not an honest error; that's
being a lid.

can you realy know that the other station is hearing some interference
you are not?

I would say no so you are presuming to know what the other station 's
problem lack of skill vs local interfence not strong enough to
propogate

and presuming leaving one at risk of much the same as assuming

If you can't hear it, you can't work it. Period.

Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

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