"D. Stussy" wrote in message
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"Steve Calvin" wrote in message
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Sorry if this isn't the right group to ask this, if not and
someone know of a more appropriate group I'd appreciate a
pointer.

I currently have GMRS radios that are rated at "16 miles"
(yeah, maybe on the salt flats or over water, ok, we all
know about that). The are rated at 2W on the GMRS freq's
and .5w on FRS.

Why are the new "25 mile" units still rated at 2W? What's
the difference in the two radios to justify the increased
distance claims?

Can't be frequency or a change to the privacy codes or they
wouldn't work with older radios.

Increased sensitivity/filtering? Hype?

Hype and poor/deceptive advertising. Probably the advertising dept. is
clueless
as to actual specs.

2W on a unity gain antenna should have a maximum range of 1.4km (or 0.878
miles)
given the standard receive sensitivity of 0.2u.

GMRS is CB, and therefore, your better group by topic would have been
"rec.rado.cb." However, I agree with other responses that you would
probably
get a better quality response here.


GMRS is NOT CB. See URL:
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...general_mobile

GMRS frequencies are UHF- FM and requires a license and a fee for
application (~ $75 ?). Use is sharply defined. Repeater operation is
permitted. There are severe penalties for non-licensed users.

Lots of details at URL:
http://www.provide.net/~prsg/wi-gmrs.htm

Lamont

In article ,
The Shadow wrote:

GMRS is NOT CB. See URL:
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...general_mobile

GMRS frequencies are UHF- FM and requires a license and a fee for
application (~ $75 ?). Use is sharply defined. Repeater operation is
permitted. There are severe penalties for non-licensed users.

Out of curiosity - are you aware of any actual enforcement actions
in the past few years, taken against people using GMRS frequencies
without a license?

From what I can see, GMRS licensees are receiving next to no support
from the FCC in this regard. The GMRS-only frequencies seem to be
suffering from widespread interference from owners of the dual-mode
(FRS/GMRS) radios, using the GMRS frequencies without bothering to (or
even being aware of the legal requirement to) get a license.

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
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boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

Dave Platt wrote:
snip
From what I can see, GMRS licensees are receiving next to no support
from the FCC in this regard. The GMRS-only frequencies seem to be
suffering from widespread interference from owners of the dual-mode
(FRS/GMRS) radios, using the GMRS frequencies without bothering to (or
even being aware of the legal requirement to) get a license.

I believe you are correct. They seem to be going the way CB
licenses. They finally realized that no one was getting the
license due to the inability or desire to track non-licensed
users. Except in some extreme cases, where the operator had
a stationary base station and was running high power.



--
Steve

snip
Out of curiosity - are you aware of any actual enforcement actions
in the past few years, taken against people using GMRS frequencies
without a license?

snip

Google shows several violations

Example
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-238457A1.html

The point is -- it is the law. If you are aware of that and ignore it - you
were forwarned.

The FCC has its hands full - monitoring for idiots jamming Marine and
Aircraft frequencies and causing ship or air collisions.

But non-licensed GMRSers do occaisionally get caught -- do you really want
to be one of them???

Lamont

"The Shadow" wrote in message
...

snip
Out of curiosity - are you aware of any actual enforcement actions
in the past few years, taken against people using GMRS frequencies
without a license?

snip

Google shows several violations

Example
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-238457A1.html

The point is -- it is the law. If you are aware of that and ignore it -
you were forwarned.

The FCC has its hands full - monitoring for idiots jamming Marine and
Aircraft frequencies and causing ship or air collisions.

But non-licensed GMRSers do occaisionally get caught -- do you really
want to be one of them???

Lamont



also see
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-257949A1.html

In article ,
"The Shadow" wrote:

The FCC has its hands full - monitoring for idiots jamming Marine and
Aircraft frequencies and causing ship or air collisions.


Lamont

Can you document a single case, where the FCC was involved in monitoring
Marine, and, or, Aircraft Frequencies for Jammers, that caused a
collision of a ship or aircraft? No, Really? Duh, I wonder why?

Lamont, you have no clue what the FCC, does, and what it has been doing,
since the ALGORE Bloodletting.

Maybe you should get a "Clue" before you make any more Foolish
Statements......

Bruce in alaska
--
add path before @

"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"The Shadow" wrote:

The FCC has its hands full - monitoring for idiots jamming Marine and
Aircraft frequencies and causing ship or air collisions.


Lamont

Can you document a single case, where the FCC was involved in monitoring
Marine, and, or, Aircraft Frequencies for Jammers, that caused a
collision of a ship or aircraft? No, Really? Duh, I wonder why?

Lamont, you have no clue what the FCC, does, and what it has been doing,
since the ALGORE Bloodletting.

Maybe you should get a "Clue" before you make any more Foolish
Statements......

Bruce in alaska
--
add path before @

We recently had a FCC spokesperson at our Ham Club and he stated the above.
I stand by my statements.

Jammers or any interfering frequency --- spurs, harmonics, intermod can
cause communication problems.

I refer you to URL:
http://www2.arrl.org/news/enforcemen...2003/0614.html

http://www2.arrl.org/news/enforcemen...2003/0712.html

http://w6yra.bol.ucla.edu/interest.htm

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=2&gl=us

http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/

Lots more if you get a clue and use Goggle


Lamont

In article ,
"The Shadow" wrote:

"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"The Shadow" wrote:

The FCC has its hands full - monitoring for idiots jamming Marine and
Aircraft frequencies and causing ship or air collisions.


Lamont

Can you document a single case, where the FCC was involved in monitoring
Marine, and, or, Aircraft Frequencies for Jammers, that caused a
collision of a ship or aircraft? No, Really? Duh, I wonder why?

Lamont, you have no clue what the FCC, does, and what it has been doing,
since the ALGORE Bloodletting.

Maybe you should get a "Clue" before you make any more Foolish
Statements......

Bruce in alaska
--
add path before @

We recently had a FCC spokesperson at our Ham Club and he stated the above.
I stand by my statements.

Jammers or any interfering frequency --- spurs, harmonics, intermod can
cause communication problems.

I refer you to URL:
http://www2.arrl.org/news/enforcemen...2003/0614.html

http://www2.arrl.org/news/enforcemen...2003/0712.html

http://w6yra.bol.ucla.edu/interest.htm

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache.../Orders/2001/f
cc01018.doc+fcc+violation+aircraft+frequency&hl=en &ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/

Lots more if you get a clue and use Goggle


Lamont


Lamont, you have not shown ANY connection between your socalled FCC
Monitoring of Marine and or Aviation Frequenices, and ANY collision
of a Vessel or Aircraft. FYI, the FCC has very limited Fixed Monitoring
Capability on VHF and UHF Marine and Aircraft Frequencies due to the
LACK of Monitoring Stations. 99% of the Marine and Aviation Frequency
Monitoring is done by the US Coast Guard, for Marine, and the FAA for
Aviation. What little monitoring the FCC does, is done from Mobile
Units, that are used for Specific Case Investigation, and is done by
the local Field Office Engineers and Techs, of which there are 75%
fewer of, since the ALGORE lead Bloodletting in the early 90's. The
FCC just doesn't have the staff, to do what you are tallking about.
They barely have enough staff, at each Field Office, to do the REQUIRED
Paperwork to keep the Office OPEN.

Bruce in alaska who use to be one of those FCC Field Agents......
--
add path before @

"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"The Shadow" wrote:

"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"The Shadow" wrote:

The FCC has its hands full - monitoring for idiots jamming Marine and
Aircraft frequencies and causing ship or air collisions.


Lamont

Can you document a single case, where the FCC was involved in
monitoring
Marine, and, or, Aircraft Frequencies for Jammers, that caused a
collision of a ship or aircraft? No, Really? Duh, I wonder why?

Lamont, you have no clue what the FCC, does, and what it has been
doing,
since the ALGORE Bloodletting.

Maybe you should get a "Clue" before you make any more Foolish
Statements......

Bruce in alaska
--
add path before @

We recently had a FCC spokesperson at our Ham Club and he stated the
above.
I stand by my statements.

Jammers or any interfering frequency --- spurs, harmonics, intermod can
cause communication problems.

I refer you to URL:
http://www2.arrl.org/news/enforcemen...2003/0614.html

http://www2.arrl.org/news/enforcemen...2003/0712.html

http://w6yra.bol.ucla.edu/interest.htm

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache.../Orders/2001/f
cc01018.doc+fcc+violation+aircraft+frequency&hl=en &ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/

Lots more if you get a clue and use Goggle


Lamont


Lamont, you have not shown ANY connection between your socalled FCC
Monitoring of Marine and or Aviation Frequenices, and ANY collision
of a Vessel or Aircraft. FYI, the FCC has very limited Fixed Monitoring
Capability on VHF and UHF Marine and Aircraft Frequencies due to the
LACK of Monitoring Stations. 99% of the Marine and Aviation Frequency
Monitoring is done by the US Coast Guard, for Marine, and the FAA for
Aviation. What little monitoring the FCC does, is done from Mobile
Units, that are used for Specific Case Investigation, and is done by
the local Field Office Engineers and Techs, of which there are 75%
fewer of, since the ALGORE lead Bloodletting in the early 90's. The
FCC just doesn't have the staff, to do what you are tallking about.
They barely have enough staff, at each Field Office, to do the REQUIRED
Paperwork to keep the Office OPEN.

Bruce in alaska who use to be one of those FCC Field Agents......
--
add path before @

Thanks Bruce I stand corrected.
Lamont

"Ty" wrote in message
...
Lamont,

Tell us how to "Goggle"

We need a clue.

ROTFLMAO at the stupidity.

NWOAR Tie NWOAR

Just kidding Tei

Try googling goggle

Lamont