"Jack VK2CJC/MM0AXL" wrote in message
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This almost constant badmouthing of foundation licencees WITHOUT trying
to educate them is idiotic and demonstrates the true character of the
people doing the badmouthing. Perhaps if these same people were to put
the same amount of effort into helping educate the newcomers we'd all
be a lot better off.

Nicely put.

In my experience, the very infrequent cases of abuse and **** fights on
amateur bands are more often caused by those who have been licensed for
many many years. They may involve a newcomer, who will undoubtable get the
blame regardless. This was happening when I first took an interest in
amateur radio 25 years ago, and its still the same now.
--
Jack VK2CJC / MM0AXL



I can't speak for the Aussie's, but from what "I" seem to hear on the bands
in the U.S. - it isn't so much the newcomers doing the poor operating, it is
those who've been in it a while - Extra class at that.

clf

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:43:36 +1000, "Jim" jimshire1_no
spammy@iprimusdotcomdotau wrote:

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Opinion. AR appears to be largely irrelevant to Australian society and its
instrumentalities. Apart from some noticeable occasions when amateurs
assisted in emergencies, it always has been just a hobby pursued by a group
of wierd misfits. (myself included We were geeks before the word was
invented. The difference is that today many in the ranks have no idea that
AR was once the hobby of gentlemen, kings and politicians. It was a level
playing field where one respected someone because they had been through the
same hoops, irregardless of social standing, money or power. But that's all
apparently ancient history.

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Unforunately true, but that's the way it is. Perhaps the bright side
is that we should be grateful that the most heavily populated parts of
Australia aren't generally subject to the severe weather etc
conditions that make amateur radio emergency response capability such
an important community resource!


Question. There used to be an advisory committee composed of amateurs who
sat down with the ACA and decided what action if any to take against
amateurs who stepped over the line. I wonder if such mechanisms still exist
? If they don't then perhaps they should.

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Yes it does, it's called the WIA/ACMA Liaison Committee - details on
the WIA www-page. As punishment for past "crimes", yours truly is a
member.

To respond to other related posts, the first step is a "quiet word"
and if this doesn't work, then written record of date, time,
callsigns, etc submitted via the Liaison Committee and/or direct to
ACMA is step two. The ACMA do respond to documented persistent
problems, but without making a "Ben Hur" scale production of it all.

Finally, an observation, seems to me that many established operators
perhaps tend to ignore newcomers as a response to "f*&% off, old-fart"
reactions.

Keith G Malcolm
VK1ZKM
12 March 2006

wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:43:36 +1000, "Jim" jimshire1_no
spammy@iprimusdotcomdotau wrote:

... clipped

Opinion. AR appears to be largely irrelevant to Australian society and
its
instrumentalities. Apart from some noticeable occasions when amateurs
assisted in emergencies, it always has been just a hobby pursued by a
group
of wierd misfits. (myself included We were geeks before the word was
invented. The difference is that today many in the ranks have no idea
that
AR was once the hobby of gentlemen, kings and politicians. It was a level
playing field where one respected someone because they had been through
the
same hoops, irregardless of social standing, money or power. But that's
all
apparently ancient history.

... clipped

Unforunately true, but that's the way it is. Perhaps the bright side
is that we should be grateful that the most heavily populated parts of
Australia aren't generally subject to the severe weather etc
conditions that make amateur radio emergency response capability such
an important community resource!


Question. There used to be an advisory committee composed of amateurs who
sat down with the ACA and decided what action if any to take against
amateurs who stepped over the line. I wonder if such mechanisms still
exist
? If they don't then perhaps they should.

... clipped

Yes it does, it's called the WIA/ACMA Liaison Committee - details on
the WIA www-page. As punishment for past "crimes", yours truly is a
member.

To respond to other related posts, the first step is a "quiet word"
and if this doesn't work, then written record of date, time,
callsigns, etc submitted via the Liaison Committee and/or direct to
ACMA is step two. The ACMA do respond to documented persistent
problems, but without making a "Ben Hur" scale production of it all.

Finally, an observation, seems to me that many established operators
perhaps tend to ignore newcomers as a response to "f*&% off, old-fart"
reactions.

Keith G Malcolm
VK1ZKM
12 March 2006

This has been for me a constructive discussion and I hope for others. It
appears that many have similar concerns and more importantly some ideas. I
agree with the common thread that we must first engage with new operators,
although I was not necessarily suggesting the problem lies only with them!
And obviously we need to lead by example.
Having said that I believe that adequate policing procedures need to be put
in place if they are not already in place and if they are in place it needs
to be published.

I suggest that if anyone has a strong view on this issue that they contact
the relevant WIA committee member on the below contact page and see if we
are able to raise the issue to a sufficient level.

http://www.wia.org.au/contact.php

Cheers

Peter vk3ysf

wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:43:36 +1000, "Jim" jimshire1_no
spammy@iprimusdotcomdotau wrote:

Comments indispersed

... clipped

Opinion. AR appears to be largely irrelevant to Australian society and its
instrumentalities. Apart from some noticeable occasions when amateurs
assisted in emergencies, it always has been just a hobby pursued by a
group
of wierd misfits. (myself included We were geeks before the word was
invented. The difference is that today many in the ranks have no idea that
AR was once the hobby of gentlemen, kings and politicians. It was a level
playing field where one respected someone because they had been through
the
same hoops, irregardless of social standing, money or power. But that's
all
apparently ancient history.

... clipped

Unforunately true, but that's the way it is.

Does that mean that it should just be accepted ? It appears to me that the
cornerstone of amateur radio is the concept of friendship, especially with
newcomers. If that's ancient history then I'm outta here !

Perhaps the bright side
is that we should be grateful that the most heavily populated parts of
Australia aren't generally subject to the severe weather etc
conditions that make amateur radio emergency response capability such
an important community resource!

If the current problems within the amateur ranks are anything but minor, one
wonders about amateurs capabilities to respond to:
A large aircraft dropping into the centre of a capital city
Tsunami hitting the Gold Coast or other large cities
Terrorist activities
etc etc etc

Question. There used to be an advisory committee composed of amateurs who
sat down with the ACA and decided what action if any to take against
amateurs who stepped over the line. I wonder if such mechanisms still
exist
? If they don't then perhaps they should.

... clipped

Yes it does, it's called the WIA/ACMA Liaison Committee - details on
the WIA www-page. As punishment for past "crimes", yours truly is a
member.

To respond to other related posts, the first step is a "quiet word"
and if this doesn't work, then written record of date, time,
callsigns, etc submitted via the Liaison Committee and/or direct to
ACMA is step two. The ACMA do respond to documented persistent
problems, but without making a "Ben Hur" scale production of it all.

Thanks for that, it appears that some things are still working as they
should be )))))))

Finally, an observation, seems to me that many established operators
perhaps tend to ignore newcomers as a response to "f*&% off, old-fart"
reactions.

Many would only be repeating what they've said many times on other
frequencies unfortunately.

I had a whole host of amateurs assist me in so many ways after I got my
license , but that was many years ago and many are now silent keys. I still
have a great deal of respect for them.

When the new generation falls off its perch, I wonder if they'll be referred
to as silent mics ?)


Cheers
Jim
VK4BBG

I am just curious as to what armature radio is all about? Is it radios
set up on some sort of an armature to allow you to move it about or
something?

"Cosmo" wrote in message
u...
I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT

I find the operations by some licensed amateurs and perhaps a pirate
station
is just appalling. Operators and I use the word loosely, making threats at
each other, whistling over each other and discussing tracking operators
down
to sort them out!
It sounded like the 27Mhz CB band back in the mid seventies.

I can remember when amateurs took pride in their operating practices and
gentlemanly behaviour. If this what it is to become why would anyone be
attracted to the hobby unless perhaps they are an ignorant thugs. It
appears
to me and I know I will be condemned for this, but we seem to have
accepting
lower standards in more ways than we expected.

I believe that simply ignoring these operating practices and these
operators
will allow segments of the bands to become no go ghettos. A completely
unacceptable and un-Australian outcome.
I also believe that the looming threat to this great hobby come from
within
as mach as from outside forces, and there fore suggest that something akin
to intruder watch be applied to monitoring amateur operations as I think
the
authorities response will be that we need to self regulate.

I am offering this observation for discussion and we be keen to see what
others think!

Cheers

Peter VK3YSF




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