Actually, you have just shown you've never seen ANY assembly line.

But we all know you're a lying troll anyway, so that's no surprise.


And that response show you to be nothing more than an arrogant
loud-mouthed self-opinionated bully who can't stand being corrected; but
that is par for the course looking at your posting record; which
consists mainly of calling anyone who dares to disagree with you a troll.

Jeff

A typical response from the lying troll when he's identified. You are
well known as one in such and other newsgroups.



Pray tell what newsgroups that might be and show soem examples? I do not
post in many, so you are either making it up or have me confused with
someone else!!!!!

Perhaps you are actually the troll who posts insults when challenged.

Jeff

On 6/22/2014 10:20 AM, Jeff wrote:

Actually, you have just shown you've never seen ANY assembly line.

But we all know you're a lying troll anyway, so that's no surprise.


And that response show you to be nothing more than an arrogant
loud-mouthed self-opinionated bully who can't stand being corrected; but
that is par for the course looking at your posting record; which
consists mainly of calling anyone who dares to disagree with you a
troll.

Jeff

A typical response from the lying troll when he's identified. You are
well known as one in such and other newsgroups.



Pray tell what newsgroups that might be and show soem examples? I do not
post in many, so you are either making it up or have me confused with
someone else!!!!!

Perhaps you are actually the troll who posts insults when challenged.

Jeff

Any of the uk amateur newsgroups, amongst others.

But we know you've also chopped ice from the Thwaite Glacier for your
martinis and roasted marshmallows over Mt. Etna. You're the most
educated man in the whole wide world - you know everything and have done
everything!

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Pray tell what newsgroups that might be and show soem examples? I do not
post in many, so you are either making it up or have me confused with
someone else!!!!!

Perhaps you are actually the troll who posts insults when challenged.

Jeff

Any of the uk amateur newsgroups, amongst others.

But we know you've also chopped ice from the Thwaite Glacier for your
martinis and roasted marshmallows over Mt. Etna. You're the most
educated man in the whole wide world - you know everything and have done
everything!


Well that proves that you are lying, it is very easy to find that I only
ever post to 1 uk amateur newsgroups (unless things get cross posted),
and not very frequently in that one.

It is also clear from looking at your history that you can't bear to be
challenged and when you are you respond with insults and call people
'Trolls'. There is a clear history of this, and very easily verified. So
either you are a Troll yourself and just like insulting people who do
not agree with you, or you are so deluded with your own self-importance
that you cannot bear to be worn or even challenged on a subject.

Either way I don't wish to engage with a person such as you, so good bye.

I am sure you will post some insults in response, if you do I will not
be dignifying then with a reply.

Jeff

On 6/22/2014 11:55 AM, Jeff wrote:

Pray tell what newsgroups that might be and show soem examples? I do not
post in many, so you are either making it up or have me confused with
someone else!!!!!

Perhaps you are actually the troll who posts insults when challenged.

Jeff

Any of the uk amateur newsgroups, amongst others.

But we know you've also chopped ice from the Thwaite Glacier for your
martinis and roasted marshmallows over Mt. Etna. You're the most
educated man in the whole wide world - you know everything and have done
everything!


Well that proves that you are lying, it is very easy to find that I only
ever post to 1 uk amateur newsgroups (unless things get cross posted),
and not very frequently in that one.

It is also clear from looking at your history that you can't bear to be
challenged and when you are you respond with insults and call people
'Trolls'. There is a clear history of this, and very easily verified. So
either you are a Troll yourself and just like insulting people who do
not agree with you, or you are so deluded with your own self-importance
that you cannot bear to be worn or even challenged on a subject.

Either way I don't wish to engage with a person such as you, so good bye.

I am sure you will post some insults in response, if you do I will not
be dignifying then with a reply.

Jeff

No, it's clear from the history that you are a troll who only tries to
create arguments and dissention. AKA, TROLL.

This is a perfect example. You claim you have "been to many assembly
lines". But you "have never seen robotic soldering used".

Even this shows how stoopid you a http://bit.ly/T26deZ

Troll - PROVEN ONCE AGAIN!

Why don't you go back and roast your marshmallows over Mt. Etna?


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In message , Jerry Stuckle
writes
On 6/22/2014 11:55 AM, Jeff wrote:

Pray tell what newsgroups that might be and show soem examples? I do not
post in many, so you are either making it up or have me confused with
someone else!!!!!

Perhaps you are actually the troll who posts insults when challenged.

Jeff

Any of the uk amateur newsgroups, amongst others.

But we know you've also chopped ice from the Thwaite Glacier for your
martinis and roasted marshmallows over Mt. Etna. You're the most
educated man in the whole wide world - you know everything and have done
everything!


Well that proves that you are lying, it is very easy to find that I only
ever post to 1 uk amateur newsgroups (unless things get cross posted),
and not very frequently in that one.

It is also clear from looking at your history that you can't bear to be
challenged and when you are you respond with insults and call people
'Trolls'. There is a clear history of this, and very easily verified. So
either you are a Troll yourself and just like insulting people who do
not agree with you, or you are so deluded with your own self-importance
that you cannot bear to be worn or even challenged on a subject.

Either way I don't wish to engage with a person such as you, so good bye.

I am sure you will post some insults in response, if you do I will not
be dignifying then with a reply.

Jeff

No, it's clear from the history that you are a troll who only tries to
create arguments and dissention. AKA, TROLL.

This is a perfect example. You claim you have "been to many assembly
lines". But you "have never seen robotic soldering used".

Even this shows how stoopid you a http://bit.ly/T26deZ

Troll - PROVEN ONCE AGAIN!

Why don't you go back and roast your marshmallows over Mt. Etna?

Jerry, I really do think that you are mistaking Jeff for somebody else.
Mind you, ISTR that you also called me a troll simply for (in all
innocence) failing to agree with you, so maybe it's simply your way of
presenting your case.
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Ian

"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
...

Jerry, I really do think that you are mistaking Jeff for somebody else.
Mind you, ISTR that you also called me a troll simply for (in all
innocence) failing to agree with you, so maybe it's simply your way of
presenting your case.

Perhaps "Jerry" is one of M3OSN's sock puppets, for the behaviour
that you identify is remarkably similar?

On 6/23/2014 3:27 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Jerry Stuckle
writes
On 6/22/2014 11:55 AM, Jeff wrote:

Pray tell what newsgroups that might be and show soem examples? I
do not
post in many, so you are either making it up or have me confused with
someone else!!!!!

Perhaps you are actually the troll who posts insults when challenged.

Jeff

Any of the uk amateur newsgroups, amongst others.

But we know you've also chopped ice from the Thwaite Glacier for your
martinis and roasted marshmallows over Mt. Etna. You're the most
educated man in the whole wide world - you know everything and have
done
everything!


Well that proves that you are lying, it is very easy to find that I only
ever post to 1 uk amateur newsgroups (unless things get cross posted),
and not very frequently in that one.

It is also clear from looking at your history that you can't bear to be
challenged and when you are you respond with insults and call people
'Trolls'. There is a clear history of this, and very easily verified. So
either you are a Troll yourself and just like insulting people who do
not agree with you, or you are so deluded with your own self-importance
that you cannot bear to be worn or even challenged on a subject.

Either way I don't wish to engage with a person such as you, so good
bye.

I am sure you will post some insults in response, if you do I will not
be dignifying then with a reply.

Jeff

No, it's clear from the history that you are a troll who only tries to
create arguments and dissention. AKA, TROLL.

This is a perfect example. You claim you have "been to many assembly
lines". But you "have never seen robotic soldering used".

Even this shows how stoopid you a http://bit.ly/T26deZ

Troll - PROVEN ONCE AGAIN!

Why don't you go back and roast your marshmallows over Mt. Etna?

Jerry, I really do think that you are mistaking Jeff for somebody else.
Mind you, ISTR that you also called me a troll simply for (in all
innocence) failing to agree with you, so maybe it's simply your way of
presenting your case.

No, Ian, I am not mistaking Jeff for somebody else. This isn't the
first time he's done this. Check back through the groups - he regularly
contradicts people in this newsgroup. And he's always shown to be wrong.

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Jerry, I really do think that you are mistaking Jeff for somebody else.
Mind you, ISTR that you also called me a troll simply for (in all
innocence) failing to agree with you, so maybe it's simply your way of
presenting your case.

No, Ian, I am not mistaking Jeff for somebody else. This isn't the
first time he's done this. Check back through the groups - he regularly
contradicts people in this newsgroup. And he's always shown to be wrong.


I wouldn't bother Ian, Jerry just lies to suit himself, this thread is
the first time I have posted into rec.radio.amateur.homebrew, due to the
cross posting, (a check of the archives will bear this out) and you know
my history and correctness in UKRA!!!!

Jerry is just a troll and a liar who attempts to denigrate anyone who
disagrees with him, as you found out.

Now who does that remind you of?

Jeff

On 6/23/2014 11:06 AM, Jeff wrote:

Jerry, I really do think that you are mistaking Jeff for somebody else.
Mind you, ISTR that you also called me a troll simply for (in all
innocence) failing to agree with you, so maybe it's simply your way of
presenting your case.

No, Ian, I am not mistaking Jeff for somebody else. This isn't the
first time he's done this. Check back through the groups - he regularly
contradicts people in this newsgroup. And he's always shown to be wrong.


I wouldn't bother Ian, Jerry just lies to suit himself, this thread is
the first time I have posted into rec.radio.amateur.homebrew, due to the
cross posting, (a check of the archives will bear this out) and you know
my history and correctness in UKRA!!!!

Jerry is just a troll and a liar who attempts to denigrate anyone who
disagrees with him, as you found out.

Now who does that remind you of?

Jeff

And the troll can't even be bothered to check the link I posted -
because it proves him wrong! But the facts aren't important. Trying to
prove me wrong is all that matters to him.

And no, I never claimed you posted in r.r.a.h. But you HAVE posted in
u.r.a., multiple times. And you're a well-known troll.

I guess that's why you won't use your real name, a valid email address
or your call sign (you probably don't even have one). That's pretty
typical of trolls - they want to remain anonymous.


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On 20/06/14 08:54, Brian Reay wrote:
Michael Black wrote:


I seem to recall from early articles about surface mount the suggestion
of using a dab of flux to hold the component in place. It was only to
hold it until you actually had something soldered.

That said, I really think a good magnifiying glass or microscope makes
sense. I was trying to figure out something, and got out the jeweller's
loupe, and it's amazing how much bigger everything is. That's not going
to work for soldering, but getting good magnification that will stand on
its own is bound to help a lot. And good lighting. Looking at that board
with the loupe almost makes the idea of soldering surface mount within my capability.

Michael,

For SMD projects, rather than repairs, you can use a domestic oven to
solder the boards. Ideally, get a small table top model (the type of thing
student or caravaners use) but I did a test run in a full sized kitchen
one. The key thing is to be able to get to 230C or so at least.

You need to plot a graph of the way the oven temp rises using a
thermocouple (I borrowed one but they are cheap enough to buy). Basically
you put the board it with all the components held in place by solder paste.
Set the temp to about 200C and watch as it rises. When it gets to 100, turn
oven off for 3 min, this is known as drying time and is to drive the
solvent from the solder paste, them set temp to 250 or as high as you can
if lower. Now watch carefully, as soon as the solder paste melts and flows
to make the joints, turn off the oven and open the door.

I've tried this a couple of times and the results are surprisingly good. No
dry joints, no moved components.

The graph will help you predict when things are about to 'happen' and the
thermocouple is essential if your oven temp. gauge isn't accurate.

A fellow ham repaired a road kill laptop using a counter top pizza grill
using using this method after hearing it on a podcast. It cured bad
joints under a graphics device. I installed Linux Mint for him and it
was good to go. You can also use a heat lamp over the IC for ball grid
arrays.

A Raspberry Pi could be programmed to control a counter top pizza grill
to give the correct profile. Modify the grill to vent in cool air with a
fan at the end of the cycle to cool the board down.