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Anyone ever had a fatal electric shock?
The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? p. -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill |
In article , Paul Burridge
says... The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? 800+ VDC off the plate supply of an old Gonset GSB-100 transmitter once. Fortunately, it was all along one arm. It knocked me across the room, and left a nice first-degree burn at the contact point. Doubt I'd be around to type this if I'd been working with both hands at the time. -- Dr. Anton Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute (Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR) kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t c&o&m "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green) |
In article , Paul Burridge
says... The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? 800+ VDC off the plate supply of an old Gonset GSB-100 transmitter once. Fortunately, it was all along one arm. It knocked me across the room, and left a nice first-degree burn at the contact point. Doubt I'd be around to type this if I'd been working with both hands at the time. -- Dr. Anton Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute (Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR) kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t c&o&m "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green) |
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IIRC a "fatal" shock is mroe likely to be a mddling-current one. The
stronger ones tend to self-defibbrilate you. That's why lightning strike victims often survive. A BAD shock I got once was when I had a pair of 400uf, 450V capacitors forming up on the cap tester. It was up to 450 volts, but still pulling a few milliamps. I went to set it aside and wrapped one hand around one big aluminum can, other hand around the other can. I thought both cans were grounded, but somehow got a heck of a shock! Later on I realized I was chanrging the capacitors in series for some reason. Take care, George |
IIRC a "fatal" shock is mroe likely to be a mddling-current one. The
stronger ones tend to self-defibbrilate you. That's why lightning strike victims often survive. A BAD shock I got once was when I had a pair of 400uf, 450V capacitors forming up on the cap tester. It was up to 450 volts, but still pulling a few milliamps. I went to set it aside and wrapped one hand around one big aluminum can, other hand around the other can. I thought both cans were grounded, but somehow got a heck of a shock! Later on I realized I was chanrging the capacitors in series for some reason. Take care, George |
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 12:33:24 GMT, "Harris"
wrote: Several people have and of course they are all dead. Well I don't believe the answer's that simple. I'll explain in due course, but would like to give a few others a chance to guess what I'm driving at (this isn't some sort of joke BTW). -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill |
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 12:33:24 GMT, "Harris"
wrote: Several people have and of course they are all dead. Well I don't believe the answer's that simple. I'll explain in due course, but would like to give a few others a chance to guess what I'm driving at (this isn't some sort of joke BTW). -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill |
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:11:10 +0000 (UTC), "Leon Heller"
wrote: I've seen someone get hold of 440 V 3 phase bus bars, one in each hand. He was across the supply for about 5 minutes as the emergency stop button in the lab didn't work and he couldn't let go. He was lucky - just badly burnt hands. He was back at work a couple of days later, heavily bandaged. Thanks, Leon. This is the kind of 'unsurvivable shock' I had in mind. I'm sure we'll have several more hair-raising examples to come yet, though. -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill |
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:11:10 +0000 (UTC), "Leon Heller"
wrote: I've seen someone get hold of 440 V 3 phase bus bars, one in each hand. He was across the supply for about 5 minutes as the emergency stop button in the lab didn't work and he couldn't let go. He was lucky - just badly burnt hands. He was back at work a couple of days later, heavily bandaged. Thanks, Leon. This is the kind of 'unsurvivable shock' I had in mind. I'm sure we'll have several more hair-raising examples to come yet, though. -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill |
Winfield Hill ) writes:
Paul Burridge wrote... The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? I've had a few fatal shocks. Thanks, - Win You sound in especially good shape for someone who's suffered multiple fatal shocks. Michael VE2BVW |
Winfield Hill ) writes:
Paul Burridge wrote... The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? I've had a few fatal shocks. Thanks, - Win You sound in especially good shape for someone who's suffered multiple fatal shocks. Michael VE2BVW |
"Paul Burridge" wrote in message ... The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? I've seen someone get hold of 440 V 3 phase bus bars, one in each hand. He was across the supply for about 5 minutes as the emergency stop button in the lab didn't work and he couldn't let go. He was lucky - just badly burnt hands. He was back at work a couple of days later, heavily bandaged. Leon -- Leon Heller, G1HSM http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller |
"Paul Burridge" wrote in message ... The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? I've seen someone get hold of 440 V 3 phase bus bars, one in each hand. He was across the supply for about 5 minutes as the emergency stop button in the lab didn't work and he couldn't let go. He was lucky - just badly burnt hands. He was back at work a couple of days later, heavily bandaged. Leon -- Leon Heller, G1HSM http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller |
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 13:08:54 GMT, George R. Gonzalez wrote:
IIRC a "fatal" shock is mroe likely to be a mddling-current one. The stronger ones tend to self-defibbrilate you. That's why lightning strike victims often survive. Is is really? I talked to some guys who made defibrillators once; there was a defibrillator (a working one) in their lab, for use in case of shock while working on a defibrillator. -- Mike -- |
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 13:08:54 GMT, George R. Gonzalez wrote:
IIRC a "fatal" shock is mroe likely to be a mddling-current one. The stronger ones tend to self-defibbrilate you. That's why lightning strike victims often survive. Is is really? I talked to some guys who made defibrillators once; there was a defibrillator (a working one) in their lab, for use in case of shock while working on a defibrillator. -- Mike -- |
"Paul Burridge" wrote in message ... The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? I got 600V/400MHz right through my little finger once. Reached in where I shouldn't have. If the current had taken the long way to ground through my feet or other arm, instead of the short way out the fingernail, I would have at least been smoking from end to end. |
"Paul Burridge" wrote in message ... The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? I got 600V/400MHz right through my little finger once. Reached in where I shouldn't have. If the current had taken the long way to ground through my feet or other arm, instead of the short way out the fingernail, I would have at least been smoking from end to end. |
"Michael Black" wrote in message ... Winfield Hill ) writes: Paul Burridge wrote... The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? I've had a few fatal shocks. Thanks, - Win You sound in especially good shape for someone who's suffered multiple fatal shocks. That explains the hair. |
"Michael Black" wrote in message ... Winfield Hill ) writes: Paul Burridge wrote... The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? I've had a few fatal shocks. Thanks, - Win You sound in especially good shape for someone who's suffered multiple fatal shocks. That explains the hair. |
Paul Burridge wrote:
The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? My father had a 30kV (I think) shock (from a radar test set). He went unconscious and many years later one could still see the scar from the burn. |
Paul Burridge wrote:
The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? My father had a 30kV (I think) shock (from a radar test set). He went unconscious and many years later one could still see the scar from the burn. |
Once... 990 vac at 30 amps for a split second from right hand to left hand.
Stopped breathing, no heart beat but still aware for a few seconds. How quiet everything got! Oh, I could still hear my coworkers laughing as I slid to the floor, but the normal, unnoticed noises of respiration and circulation were gone. About the time my vision started to go (seeing green, purple, black splotches, all else fading), my heart gave a great single beat then took off into tachycardia, then settled after a few seconds into a normal but fast rhythm. I could breath and see again, but was too weak to get up for several minutes. By this time the coworkers had figured out things were a bit more serious and I was helped to my feet. That's when I noticed the burn on one hand, where my thumb knuckle had brushed the case of the defective amplifier. It never really hurt, the burn spot, but my chest muscles were sore for a week, also took about that long for my strength return to normal. I've been shocked many times before and since, but that was the closest I got to buying the tiny farm. On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:29:46 +0100, Paul Burridge wrote: The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? p. |
Once... 990 vac at 30 amps for a split second from right hand to left hand.
Stopped breathing, no heart beat but still aware for a few seconds. How quiet everything got! Oh, I could still hear my coworkers laughing as I slid to the floor, but the normal, unnoticed noises of respiration and circulation were gone. About the time my vision started to go (seeing green, purple, black splotches, all else fading), my heart gave a great single beat then took off into tachycardia, then settled after a few seconds into a normal but fast rhythm. I could breath and see again, but was too weak to get up for several minutes. By this time the coworkers had figured out things were a bit more serious and I was helped to my feet. That's when I noticed the burn on one hand, where my thumb knuckle had brushed the case of the defective amplifier. It never really hurt, the burn spot, but my chest muscles were sore for a week, also took about that long for my strength return to normal. I've been shocked many times before and since, but that was the closest I got to buying the tiny farm. On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:29:46 +0100, Paul Burridge wrote: The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? p. |
"Paul Burridge" wrote in message ... The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? In 1948 I was working for Westinghouse motor and transformer repair. We had a LARGE transformer from a sub station to rewind. Always pot checked when repaired for insulation break down with 4000 volts. The hot lead had a pin hole in the insulation and the superintendent would not replace it. Had the worker wrap it with electrical tape. STUPID. The worker went ahead and used it. To reach the insulator tip the worker stood on a metal barrel covered with 2 by 4 wood. As the power was applied the 4K volts went through the hand, came out the foot and blew him off the barrel. He survived but had bad burns on hand and foot. No OSHA in those days. A week later I resigned from that job. Warren |
"Paul Burridge" wrote in message ... The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? In 1948 I was working for Westinghouse motor and transformer repair. We had a LARGE transformer from a sub station to rewind. Always pot checked when repaired for insulation break down with 4000 volts. The hot lead had a pin hole in the insulation and the superintendent would not replace it. Had the worker wrap it with electrical tape. STUPID. The worker went ahead and used it. To reach the insulator tip the worker stood on a metal barrel covered with 2 by 4 wood. As the power was applied the 4K volts went through the hand, came out the foot and blew him off the barrel. He survived but had bad burns on hand and foot. No OSHA in those days. A week later I resigned from that job. Warren |
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:29:46 +0100, Paul Burridge
wrote: The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? p. 1982 at Beal AFB while installing a 2.4MegKVA UPS system I received an arc'd shock from a 992V DC Link that should have left nothing but a pile of dust where I had been. For reasons unknown, it instead through me 18ft against the opposite wall leaving nothing more than a 2 inch burn mark on my elbow, although it did take almost 4 hours for my breathing to return to normal and I suffered extreme headaches for 3 days. It was also necessary to change both my underwear and pants. To this day my left elbow is extremely and painfully sensitive. |
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:29:46 +0100, Paul Burridge
wrote: The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? p. 1982 at Beal AFB while installing a 2.4MegKVA UPS system I received an arc'd shock from a 992V DC Link that should have left nothing but a pile of dust where I had been. For reasons unknown, it instead through me 18ft against the opposite wall leaving nothing more than a 2 inch burn mark on my elbow, although it did take almost 4 hours for my breathing to return to normal and I suffered extreme headaches for 3 days. It was also necessary to change both my underwear and pants. To this day my left elbow is extremely and painfully sensitive. |
Paul Burridge wrote:
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 12:33:24 GMT, "Harris" wrote: Several people have and of course they are all dead. Well I don't believe the answer's that simple. I'll explain in due Yes it is. 'Fatal' doesn't have any slack in its definition. You could modify it by adding 'near' as a prefix. course, but would like to give a few others a chance to guess what I'm driving at (this isn't some sort of joke BTW). -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill |
Paul Burridge wrote:
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 12:33:24 GMT, "Harris" wrote: Several people have and of course they are all dead. Well I don't believe the answer's that simple. I'll explain in due Yes it is. 'Fatal' doesn't have any slack in its definition. You could modify it by adding 'near' as a prefix. course, but would like to give a few others a chance to guess what I'm driving at (this isn't some sort of joke BTW). -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill |
10KV to fire magnetron in counter battery radar. Took six marines to stop
me from burying my screw driver in the chest of the asshole that thought it would be cute to push the radiate button. -- 73 es cul wb3fup a Salty Bear "Dr. Anton Squeegee" wrote in message ... In article , Paul Burridge says... The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? 800+ VDC off the plate supply of an old Gonset GSB-100 transmitter once. Fortunately, it was all along one arm. It knocked me across the room, and left a nice first-degree burn at the contact point. Doubt I'd be around to type this if I'd been working with both hands at the time. -- Dr. Anton Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute (Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR) kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t c&o&m "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green) |
10KV to fire magnetron in counter battery radar. Took six marines to stop
me from burying my screw driver in the chest of the asshole that thought it would be cute to push the radiate button. -- 73 es cul wb3fup a Salty Bear "Dr. Anton Squeegee" wrote in message ... In article , Paul Burridge says... The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? 800+ VDC off the plate supply of an old Gonset GSB-100 transmitter once. Fortunately, it was all along one arm. It knocked me across the room, and left a nice first-degree burn at the contact point. Doubt I'd be around to type this if I'd been working with both hands at the time. -- Dr. Anton Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute (Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR) kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t c&o&m "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green) |
In article ,
Tom Sevart wrote: "WB3FUP (Mike Hall)" wrote in message ... 10KV to fire magnetron in counter battery radar. Took six marines to stop me from burying my screw driver in the chest of the asshole that thought it would be cute to push the radiate button. I remember hearing the story of an Air Force tech working on a 30' radar dish. For some dumb reason, someone energized it and promptly microwaved him to death. Some of these stories are hair rasing... and I'm too much of a weenie to stick my tongue on a 9V battery... http://www.labsafety.com/search/resu...ockout&x=0&y=0 Seems to go along well with "keep one hand in your back pocket" and "don't work on this stuff while standing in a puddle of water". -- Dave Platt AE6EO Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
In article ,
Tom Sevart wrote: "WB3FUP (Mike Hall)" wrote in message ... 10KV to fire magnetron in counter battery radar. Took six marines to stop me from burying my screw driver in the chest of the asshole that thought it would be cute to push the radiate button. I remember hearing the story of an Air Force tech working on a 30' radar dish. For some dumb reason, someone energized it and promptly microwaved him to death. Some of these stories are hair rasing... and I'm too much of a weenie to stick my tongue on a 9V battery... http://www.labsafety.com/search/resu...ockout&x=0&y=0 Seems to go along well with "keep one hand in your back pocket" and "don't work on this stuff while standing in a puddle of water". -- Dave Platt AE6EO Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:29:46 +0100, Paul Burridge
wrote: The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? p. -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill yes, and it explains a lot of why we became what we are... jm http://home.online.no/~la8ak/ -- remove ,xnd to reply (Spam precaution!) |
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:29:46 +0100, Paul Burridge
wrote: The question seems daft, but bear with me, gentlemen. Has anyone ever had an electric shock that they feel lucky to have survived? p. -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill yes, and it explains a lot of why we became what we are... jm http://home.online.no/~la8ak/ -- remove ,xnd to reply (Spam precaution!) |
"A E" wrote in message ... Paul Burridge wrote: On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 12:33:24 GMT, "Harris" wrote: Several people have and of course they are all dead. Well I don't believe the answer's that simple. I'll explain in due Yes it is. 'Fatal' doesn't have any slack in its definition. You could modify it by adding 'near' as a prefix. course, but would like to give a few others a chance to guess what I'm driving at (this isn't some sort of joke BTW). -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill but you can be clinicaly death and restarted can't you? so does fatal imply permenent death or can it be temporary? Pat |
"A E" wrote in message ... Paul Burridge wrote: On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 12:33:24 GMT, "Harris" wrote: Several people have and of course they are all dead. Well I don't believe the answer's that simple. I'll explain in due Yes it is. 'Fatal' doesn't have any slack in its definition. You could modify it by adding 'near' as a prefix. course, but would like to give a few others a chance to guess what I'm driving at (this isn't some sort of joke BTW). -- "I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill but you can be clinicaly death and restarted can't you? so does fatal imply permenent death or can it be temporary? Pat |
"Tom Sevart" wrote in message ... "WB3FUP (Mike Hall)" wrote in message ... 10KV to fire magnetron in counter battery radar. Took six marines to stop me from burying my screw driver in the chest of the asshole that thought it would be cute to push the radiate button. I remember hearing the story of an Air Force tech working on a 30' radar dish. For some dumb reason, someone energized it and promptly microwaved him to death. Some of these stories are hair rasing... and I'm too much of a weenie to stick my tongue on a 9V battery... A Raytheon corporate legend is that one of the engineers discovered the microwave oven principle when a radar melted a chocolate bar in his shirt pocket. |
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