On Mar 22, 1:18�am, wrote:
On Mar 18, 2:11 am, wrote:

* * This doesnt' work with other radio services very well. *Why would
it be appropriate for Amateur Radio?

Other radio services have distinct markets with distinct needs that
they are chartered to serve.

Amateur Radio is unique in that it is chartered as a playground for
tinkerers and experimenters. *

That's one of the reasons for amateur radio. But not the
only one! A lot of different activities have to share the bands.

But I like the playground analogy.

All the playgrounds I've seen are carefully designed to
support a variety of different activities. There are
designated areas for various sports, for example. And
there are rules to keep order, permitted and prohibited
activities, etc. Certain activities need special permission,
others are informal.

IOW, there's a structure to a playground. And the structure
is most important when the playground is small and the
number of people who want to use it is large.

There was a time when 99% of ham radio activity was
either CW/Morse Code or plain AM voice. Back then, a
simple structure was all that was needed.

Those days are long gone. We need a lot more structure
than before, IMHO.

It seems ironic to tightly regulate
modes/bandwidths/modulation schemes in an environment where
experimentation is officially encouraged.

Amateurs are much less regulated in that regard than
any other radio service. IMHO

73 de Jim, N2EY

On Mar 22, 5:11 pm, wrote:


All the playgrounds I've seen are carefully designed to
support a variety of different activities.


Must be boring to explore in such a playground with all that structure
and rules. One of my favorite playgrounds is the Superstition
Mountain Wilderness, a playground completely disorganized except for
the boundary around it.

You can go hiking there or ride your horse, prospect for gold (the
"Lost Dutchman Mine" hasn't been found yet), camp for a night or a
week or a month. You can follow trails which have been blazed by many
hikers or horsemen before you, or be an explorer and leave the
established trails to the timid. The only rules here are don't burn
the place down, and don't trash the place for others. Explore without
rules and structure.

Kinda like I'd like to see the amateur bands, open for the explorers
and visionaries (so long as they're polite to the other children).

73, de Hans, K0HB

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Kinda like I'd like to see the amateur bands, open for the explorers
and visionaries (so long as they're polite to the other children.

I think that the crux *is* just that politeness though, Hans. When the
PSK31 segment (as an example) is stomped on by the robot Winlink
stations, who is playing politely? Yeah, I guess we can just move, but
won't it be fun to try to figure out where? And our next stop can just as
easily be disrupted by whatever wideband mode decides to park itself
right over top of us. Eventually a survival of the fittest situation
occurs, and I suspect that Winlink stations and SSB would come to be the
only modes around. And that would be a real tragedy. No DX windows, no
areas in which to search those who pursue the same modes as you seems
like a recipe for chaos. And I suspect that the Gentlemen's agreements
came about for those reasons, not that the people who came up with such
things lacked intelligence or vision.

I look at the framework as a guideline of just where I might like
to pursue my particular part of this hobby. If it were just a matter of
SSB and OOK CW, it would be one thing, but these days there is OOK CW,
SSB, RTTY, PSK31, 64, SSTV, Pactor, and on and on. Many modes, and some
don't exist very well together. Not all regulation is bad. In fact
excessive regulation and no regulation at all produce strikingly similar
results.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

On Mar 23, 11:18 pm, Mike Coslo wrote:


I think that the crux *is* just that politeness though, Hans.


Almost any country you want to name, with the notable exception of the
USA, hands their hams a set of frequencies and charges them to "play
politely". I don't see any evidence that this policy is causing any
problems.

Even in our country, one mode is given free reign to use virtually any
frequency they chose, and we all seem to get along. One has to wonder
"if market-based cooperation works for one mode, why won't it work for
the others?"

73, de Hans, K0HB