wrote:
On Mar 18, 1:24 pm, Rick wrote:
Is the 2001 ARRL Extra Class License Manual still sufficient for taking
and passing the current (2007) Element 4 written, or should I spend the
money for a newer license manual?

There have been no changes in radio theory, and very minor rule
changes which affect Extra, so if you understand the material, any
study guide going back to 1990 or so should work just fine,
supplemented by a quick review of Part 97.


I believe that the questions that might have been different between
than and now aren't being used at the moment to avoid confusion (band
edges come to mind). With the changes over the last six years, the old
book won't be accurate.

Otherwise, there is a lot of similarity in the question pools.

You could also download the pool online and give it a look.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

On Mar 28, 9:56 am, Michael Coslo wrote:


I believe that the questions that might have been different between
than and now ..........


If you understand the material, the specifics of the question pool are
immaterial.

73, de Hans, K0HB

wrote:
On Mar 28, 9:56 am, Michael Coslo wrote:

I believe that the questions that might have been different between
than and now ..........


If you understand the material, the specifics of the question pool are
immaterial.

You'll probably pass, but you would get some of the band and privilege
edges questions wrong if you read the old pool questions and took the
new test. Even from the new pools. That's why they took them out
temporarily.

A long time ago, when taking a test for my first technician job, there
was a question that read:

Q. What is the melting temperature of solder?

There were 4 different answers, all within the range of the various
solders Ag/Pb percentages that I was used to. 60/40, 50/50, etc.

Coming from a school where the teachers would throw in a trick question
every so often, I circled all 4 answers, and put in a note that all
were acceptable melting points, depending on the alloy.

The head Technician called me in with the test results. I aced it
except for one question. He explained that 370 F was the correct answer.
I explained that that was true for 60/40 solder, but not for other
combinations.

He pulled out the test grading sheet, and said "According to this,
you're wrong."

Wanting the job, I said "Well, I guess I am wrong!"

Da boss is always right....

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

On Mar 28, 9:16�am, wrote:
On Mar 28, 9:56 am, Michael Coslo wrote:


* * * * I believe that the questions that might have been different between
than and now ..........

If you understand the material, the specifics of the question pool are
immaterial.

Having taken all three written elements just a month ago, I have
to disagree slightly. The amateur extra element (prepared by
the ARRL VEC) had a number of "distracting" questions and
correct answers that required some careful study, both before
and during the test. I have nothing against that, having seen
that thing in many different similar-format written tests before
but the theory material by itself may not be enough.

I never saved any QPC pools in the past so I can't compare
old versus new. While questions on radio theory were (few)
straightforward, I had to review a number of detailed areas
concerning space operations and data/packet modes and
practices to feel fully confident before taking the tests.

Regulations have changed slightly since a decade ago (from
my 1995 five-volume Title 47 set concerning Part 97) but
those must, in my opinion, be memorized beforehand. In
actual practice there are many versions of bandplans in the
form of charts (I like Icom's nicely-colored ones) to use
when operating. Actual numbers as used in the tests need
memorization to pass them correctly.

73, Len AF6AY

On Mar 28, 1:43 pm, Michael Coslo wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 28, 9:56 am, Michael Coslo wrote:

I believe that the questions that might have been different between
than and now ..........

If you understand the material, the specifics of the question pool are
immaterial.

You'll probably pass, but you would get some of the band and privilege
edges questions wrong if you read the old pool questions and took the
new test.

Which is why I suggested a quick review of Part 97!

73, de Hans, K0HB

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Mar 18, 1:24 pm, Rick wrote:
Is the 2001 ARRL Extra Class License Manual still sufficient for taking
and passing the current (2007) Element 4 written, or should I spend the
money for a newer license manual?

There have been no changes in radio theory, and very minor rule
changes which affect Extra, so if you understand the material, any
study guide going back to 1990 or so should work just fine,
supplemented by a quick review of Part 97.


A book that old (pre-2000) would also need to be supplemented by the
companion Advanced study guide as the current exam (since 2000) combines
these two groups of material. Back when these were separate, the most
difficult theory questions were on the Advanced exam.

Dee, N8UZE
Dee, N8UZE

Michael Coslo wrote in :

You could also download the pool online and give it a look.



QRZ has all the tests, given and graded for you to let you know how your
rote memorization effort to pass the test is coming along:

http://www.qrz.com/p/testing.pl

Larry
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Larry wrote in
:

Michael Coslo wrote in
:

You could also download the pool online and give it a look.



QRZ has all the tests, given and graded for you to let you know how
your rote memorization effort to pass the test is coming along:

http://www.qrz.com/p/testing.pl

Good link Larry.

Of course, if a person rote memorizes the tests, they might be in for
an umpleasant surprise when the take the real ones - certainly the Extra.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

On Mar 28, 6:09�pm, Mike Coslo wrote:
Larry wrote :

Michael Coslo wrote in
:

You could also download the pool online and give it a look.

QRZ has all the tests, given and graded for you to let you know how
your rote memorization effort to pass the test is coming along:

http://www.qrz.com/p/testing.pl

* * * * Good link Larry.

* * * * Of course, if a person rote memorizes the tests, they might be in for
an umpleasant surprise when the take the real ones - certainly the Extra.

Another test practice site is

www.aa9pw.com/radio/java/index.html

By the way, I found no surprises on test element 4 in regard to
memorizing the regulations, especially the bandplans. :-)

73, Len AF6AY

Mike Coslo wrote in
36:

Of course, if a person rote memorizes the tests, they might
be in for
an umpleasant surprise when the take the real ones - certainly the
Extra.


Is there going to be a followup explanation detailing WHY?

Larry
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