In article ,
Bert wrote:

The "g" command will prompt you for a newsgroup; the "h" command will
display help, showing the various commands.

Oh, good heavens, I never thought to try keyboard commands on the
web interface!

Thanks, Bert, I have it now.


Patty

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In Patty Winter writes:


In article ,
Bert wrote:

The "g" command will prompt you for a newsgroup; the "h" command will
display help, showing the various commands.

Oh, good heavens, I never thought to try keyboard commands on the
web interface!

Thanks, Bert, I have it now.


Patty


Yeah, I thought at first that it was an embedded Java applet, but it
appears to instead be a JavaScript application to emulate a glass TTY
"dumb" terminal running a plain-text screen newsreader.

What's fascinating is the economy of words in these old articles, mostly
no more than a paragraph or two, that still convey a lot of useful
information. Now, I'm sure that part of this is due to the limitations
of communications capacity and data entry schemes in affordable
computers of that era (glass or even paper TTY's, transfer of data on
low-capacity floppy disks, etc.), but some of it is certainly also our
historic training and inculturation as radio operators to be clear,
brief, and to the point. I think that we can still learn from these
early examples of "on-line" interaction.

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On 12/20/11 1:18 PM, Paul W. Schleck wrote:

What's fascinating is the economy of words in these old articles, mostly
no more than a paragraph or two, that still convey a lot of useful
information. Now, I'm sure that part of this is due to the limitations
of communications capacity and data entry schemes in affordable
computers of that era (glass or even paper TTY's, transfer of data on
low-capacity floppy disks, etc.), but some of it is certainly also our
historic training and inculturation as radio operators to be clear,
brief, and to the point. I think that we can still learn from these
early examples of "on-line" interaction.

I spent some time reviewing net.general, which at that point in time was
low enough volume that everyone was expected to read it. In general the
same economy of words is true, tho there's some complaining that
excessive volume wastes precious bandwidth. One image file attached to
one email in today's world would probably be more bytes than a month's
worth of Usenet back then, but people were actually paying long-distance
charges to make it happen.

Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be anything new on the server
now. Maybe this is due to a gap in the data that he's "re-playing" or
maybe it's a symptom of something more serious.

It sure is a different world today than it was 30 years ago, in many ways.

73, Steve KB9X

In article , Steve Bonine wrote:

Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be anything new on the server
now. Maybe this is due to a gap in the data that he's "re-playing" or
maybe it's a symptom of something more serious.

I hope it keeps progressing. A few more years, and my postings will
start showing up. :-) (I think I got on Usenet about 1985.)


Patty

On 12/21/2011 1:59 PM, Patty Winter wrote:
In , Steve wrote:

Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be anything new on the server
now. Maybe this is due to a gap in the data that he's "re-playing" or
maybe it's a symptom of something more serious.

I hope it keeps progressing. A few more years, and my postings will
start showing up. :-) (I think I got on Usenet about 1985.)


Patty

As long as it's before the renaming, I'm safe! ;-)

Hmm, come to think of it, maybe not: there was a Usenet interface at
Northeastern in 1981, and my ID might be out there.

I wonder if w1ac.ampr.org appears anywhere?

Bill, W1AC


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Bill Horne
(Remove QRM from my address to write to me directly)

In Patty Winter
wrote:

In article , Steve Bonine
wrote:

Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be anything new on the server
now. Maybe this is due to a gap in the data that he's "re-playing" or
maybe it's a symptom of something more serious.

I hope it keeps progressing. A few more years, and my postings will
start showing up. :-) (I think I got on Usenet about 1985.)

Google's group search can find posts in the net.* hierarchy, although if
you select "sort by date," the search always fails to find anything.

http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=&

--
Bert Hyman W0RSB St. Paul, MN

In article , Steve Bonine wrote:

Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be anything new on the server
now. Maybe this is due to a gap in the data that he's "re-playing" or
maybe it's a symptom of something more serious.

Steve et al, I just checked the site again and found some postings
from Dec. 21 and 22 in a few groups. So perhaps newer postings will
appear in net.ham-radio eventually.


Patty

Paul wrote:
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In Patty Winter writes:


In article ,
Bert wrote:

The "g" command will prompt you for a newsgroup; the "h" command will
display help, showing the various commands.

Oh, good heavens, I never thought to try keyboard commands on the
web interface!

Thanks, Bert, I have it now.


Patty


Yeah, I thought at first that it was an embedded Java applet, but it
appears to instead be a JavaScript application to emulate a glass TTY
"dumb" terminal running a plain-text screen newsreader.

What's fascinating is the economy of words in these old articles, mostly
no more than a paragraph or two, that still convey a lot of useful
information. Now, I'm sure that part of this is due to the limitations
of communications capacity and data entry schemes in affordable
computers of that era (glass or even paper TTY's, transfer of data on
low-capacity floppy disks, etc.), but some of it is certainly also our
historic training and inculturation as radio operators to be clear,
brief, and to the point. I think that we can still learn from these
early examples of "on-line" interaction.


Ummm, no.

Posts were kept short and to the point mostly because in the early days
USENET was propagated by UUCP, which for those that don't remember,
was direct dial up, low speed, modem communications usually incurring
telephone long distance charges for the calls.

The long distance calls were usually batch queued for the middle of the night
when the telphone rates were lowest.

Verbose posts were not looked upon favorably and if a UUCP node persisted
in using up a lot of telephone time, they could find their node dropped
by those that had to pay the bills.



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On 12/20/2011 11:01 PM, wrote:
Paul wrote:
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Patty writes:


In ,
wrote:

The "g" command will prompt you for a newsgroup; the "h" command will
display help, showing the various commands.

Oh, good heavens, I never thought to try keyboard commands on the
web interface!

Thanks, Bert, I have it now.


Patty


Yeah, I thought at first that it was an embedded Java applet, but it
appears to instead be a JavaScript application to emulate a glass TTY
"dumb" terminal running a plain-text screen newsreader.

What's fascinating is the economy of words in these old articles, mostly
no more than a paragraph or two, that still convey a lot of useful
information. Now, I'm sure that part of this is due to the limitations
of communications capacity and data entry schemes in affordable
computers of that era (glass or even paper TTY's, transfer of data on
low-capacity floppy disks, etc.), but some of it is certainly also our
historic training and inculturation as radio operators to be clear,
brief, and to the point. I think that we can still learn from these
early examples of "on-line" interaction.


Ummm, no.

Posts were kept short and to the point mostly because in the early days
USENET was propagated by UUCP, which for those that don't remember,
was direct dial up, low speed, modem communications usually incurring
telephone long distance charges for the calls.

The long distance calls were usually batch queued for the middle of the night
when the telphone rates were lowest.

Verbose posts were not looked upon favorably and if a UUCP node persisted
in using up a lot of telephone time, they could find their node dropped
by those that had to pay the bills.

When did FidoNet come in to being? Was it ever used by the UUCP and/or
Arpanet servers, or was it always separate?

Come to that, when was ampr.org assigned the 44/8?

Bill, W1AC

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(Remove QRM from my address to write to me directly)

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On 12/20/2011 11:01 PM, wrote:
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Patty writes:


In ,
wrote:

The "g" command will prompt you for a newsgroup; the "h" command will
display help, showing the various commands.

Oh, good heavens, I never thought to try keyboard commands on the
web interface!

Thanks, Bert, I have it now.


Patty


Yeah, I thought at first that it was an embedded Java applet, but it
appears to instead be a JavaScript application to emulate a glass TTY
"dumb" terminal running a plain-text screen newsreader.

What's fascinating is the economy of words in these old articles, mostly
no more than a paragraph or two, that still convey a lot of useful
information. Now, I'm sure that part of this is due to the limitations
of communications capacity and data entry schemes in affordable
computers of that era (glass or even paper TTY's, transfer of data on
low-capacity floppy disks, etc.), but some of it is certainly also our
historic training and inculturation as radio operators to be clear,
brief, and to the point. I think that we can still learn from these
early examples of "on-line" interaction.


Ummm, no.

Posts were kept short and to the point mostly because in the early days
USENET was propagated by UUCP, which for those that don't remember,
was direct dial up, low speed, modem communications usually incurring
telephone long distance charges for the calls.

The long distance calls were usually batch queued for the middle of the night
when the telphone rates were lowest.

Verbose posts were not looked upon favorably and if a UUCP node persisted
in using up a lot of telephone time, they could find their node dropped
by those that had to pay the bills.

When did FidoNet come in to being? Was it ever used by the UUCP and/or
Arpanet servers, or was it always separate?

In 84 or 85, I believe.

Since FidoNet had it's own way of doing things, AFAIK the only connections
between that and anything else was via telnet.

Come to that, when was ampr.org assigned the 44/8?

Sometime in the 70's, well before there was general public access to the
internet, i.e. you had to be someone with a government connection, such
a univerity or government contractor, to get access to arpanet/internet.


Bill, W1AC


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