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From: on Fri, Oct 13 2006 7:09pm


wrote:
From:
on Fri, Oct 13 2006 10:15am
wrote:
From: on Wed, Oct 11 2006 5:56 pm


Nothing's changed with you. You still always go after the women folk
who have nothing to do with your inability to get along with others.

I'm not "going after" anyone, Brain.

Sure you are. You go after other people's wives and kids. You have a
history of it.

Nope. No one's been "gone after".

You've gone after my wife. You've gone after my kids before. To say
you haven't is a lie.

True. The USMC Imposter has gone after my wife, insulted
my parents, insulted my wife's universities, insulted just
about anything I've mentioned in here. Imposter then says
"I lie" since he doesn't know right from wrong.

If Robesin adjudicates that someone or thing is wrong, the persecution
starts, and there are no legal bounds to his methods.


He doesn't know right from wrong.


If we say he rightly violates reality (he does), he turns right
around and says we do that. It is a non-argument. All it does
is delude him in his non-justification of his actions.


Its also interesting that when you use one of his tactics on him, he
says that justifies him doing it in the first place. Such as Mark
out-assholing him.


It's a weird, delusional circular-logic thing of his.

He is too deluded about himself now to change, though.


His behavior is a syndrome of someone who will shortly fall
into certifiable insanity.


The rubber room is waiting.


Perhaps the stainless steel tables in the autopsy room would
be better?


He quotes himself in here, then claims I have misquoted him.


That's all in his delusional syndrome.

What he "sees" on his screens seems to be different than
what everyone else sees. It is all part of his delusion.


Imposter is traveling to Amish country of Pennsylvania?


It's on the way to the Dayton Hamvention.


Ah so! :-)


He'll have to file a travel voucher requesting circuitious travel.


"Circuitous," as in traveling in circles. :-)


Imposter is going to NJ to learn methods of offing
patients from a nurse there who did it?


Sounds like a circle-jerk in the making.


Imposter may have already started in TN?


Did the Man-Nurse in NJ ever get convicted?


I think so. Leastways, he was arrested and had a hearing
with a psych exam ordered.

Elfren Saldivar, the "angel of death" at a Glendale, CA,
hospital, was tried and convicted (with reasons of
insanity) and is very locked up now.


I know, I know...but if I call him an asshole, I'm insulting
the real assholes!


They will be highly offended.


I hearby apologize for any unintended future use of "asshole"
to all the OTHER real assholes in here. :-)


Thousands of posts worth of insults and failure to discern
right from wrong...not to mention the infamous IMPOSTER of
the USMC act carried on for years...years in which the
Imposter NEVER supplied a single item of proof, not even
a snapshot of himself on "active duty" during 18 years.


He was probably in "Secret Ops." No photos allowed.


It was so "secret" that all documents were marked "burn
before reading..." :-)


Wonder if he ever used the Code Name "Mr. Phelps?"


Could be...except there is another "Jim" in here. :-)

In the Imposter's case he still screwed up...the tape
self-destructed BEFORE he heard it... :-)


Is Paul going to let you play "Excrement Commando" in RRAP?


Probably he will.


The hell he will.


We will have to wait and see...


I'll give him the benefit...


I give Paul NO "benefit." I've gone round-and-around with him
both in public and private. That gives me a good feeling of
how he will "moderate" this group.


At best that "recourse" would be NOT posting and NOT
accessing the newsgroup. There is NO sign that anyone
"in charge" today or the last few years has done
anything in regards to "offensive" postings. There is
a curious, prolonged NON-response in Google whenever
anyone clicks on their message option button.


Long delayed echoes... (RADAR term involving range folding).


Parts of Google are doing "stealth" handling?

Ever since they bought out DejaNews they've fallen down
on handling newsgroups. Not just in RRAP but other
groups.



Besides, the Code Test issue is moments away from being
resolved.


Might not even be done this year. The R&O on the
"omnibus" issue began in 2004 and didn't get settled
until 2006. The code test NPRM of last year (05-235)
might be handled in 2007.


True, but in ham-years, that is is just a blink away. I passed my
Novice exams twenty (20) years ago this month and the Old-Timers still
classify me as a newbie.


In the minds of some olde-tymers they think they invented
ham radio. shrug

On a trip a couple years ago, I met an "old-timer" ham
who was in his mid-fifties. He went on and on and on
about ham radio, straight from the Book of St. Hiram,
sounding off as if all around him were clueless
civilians. I didn't say too much at first, but began
with some of his claims...and demolished each one by
the referencible facts of the radio-electronics industry
and military electronics-radio. Finally he got down to
his "trump card" which was He was "federally authorized
to transmit by the government!" I happened to have my
old First 'Phone ID card in my wallet along with IEEE
membership card (current) and showed that, adding that
He was NOT authorized to transmit OUTSIDE of the ham
bands on "shortwave." [I couldn't believe he still used
that old term "shortwave" instead of HF]

Through all of that I was cool and collected and never
personally insulted him. His reaction was AS IF I did.
I had to defuse the non-discussion for the sake of the
host. Pity that for this guy was really looking for a
personal combat situation, but was a bit too sloshed to
pose any physical threat to me. Moral of this story is
that there are lots of those self-important hams who are
hams mostly for the rank-status-privilege of that "federal
authorization" and have lost any sense of cameraderie or
fun of just communications with other hobbyists.

The Imposter is just another common carbon-copy of that
mid-life-crisis guy, but one on speed or uppers.


A real head case he is...


He's nuts.


I agree but there are others in here who must have
ABSOLUTES to justify such opinions. If he's not "nuts" in
the absolute sense, he will be soon.


He's nuts now.


OK. :-)

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wrote:
From:
on Fri, Oct 13 2006 7:09pm


wrote:
From:
on Fri, Oct 13 2006 10:15am
wrote:
From: on Wed, Oct 11 2006 5:56 pm

Nothing's changed with you. You still always go after the women folk
who have nothing to do with your inability to get along with others.

I'm not "going after" anyone, Brain.

Sure you are. You go after other people's wives and kids. You have a
history of it.

Nope. No one's been "gone after".

You've gone after my wife. You've gone after my kids before. To say
you haven't is a lie.

True. The USMC Imposter has gone after my wife, insulted
my parents, insulted my wife's universities, insulted just
about anything I've mentioned in here. Imposter then says
"I lie" since he doesn't know right from wrong.

If Robesin adjudicates that someone or thing is wrong, the persecution
starts, and there are no legal bounds to his methods.


He doesn't know right from wrong.


If we say he rightly violates reality (he does), he turns right
around and says we do that. It is a non-argument. All it does
is delude him in his non-justification of his actions.


Its also interesting that when you use one of his tactics on him, he
says that justifies him doing it in the first place. Such as Mark
out-assholing him.


It's a weird, delusional circular-logic thing of his.


Yeh, its hard to explain.

He is too deluded about himself now to change, though.


His postings have the full support of his wife, he says.

His behavior is a syndrome of someone who will shortly fall
into certifiable insanity.


The rubber room is waiting.


Perhaps the stainless steel tables in the autopsy room would
be better?


At least it can be sanitized.

He quotes himself in here, then claims I have misquoted him.


That's all in his delusional syndrome.


There is no logic in the stuff he says.

What he "sees" on his screens seems to be different than
what everyone else sees. It is all part of his delusion.


If he would quit forging the attributes maybe he could keep it all
straight.

Imposter is traveling to Amish country of Pennsylvania?

It's on the way to the Dayton Hamvention.


Ah so! :-)


He'll have to file a travel voucher requesting circuitious travel.


"Circuitous," as in traveling in circles. :-)


The shoelace on his jump boots is caught on something.

Imposter is going to NJ to learn methods of offing
patients from a nurse there who did it?

Sounds like a circle-jerk in the making.


Imposter may have already started in TN?


Did the Man-Nurse in NJ ever get convicted?


I think so. Leastways, he was arrested and had a hearing
with a psych exam ordered.

Elfren Saldivar, the "angel of death" at a Glendale, CA,
hospital, was tried and convicted (with reasons of
insanity) and is very locked up now.


Good. We need to keep these crazies off the streets and out of our
health care systems.

I know, I know...but if I call him an asshole, I'm insulting
the real assholes!


They will be highly offended.


I hearby apologize for any unintended future use of "asshole"
to all the OTHER real assholes in here. :-)


That should cover just about everyone.

Thousands of posts worth of insults and failure to discern
right from wrong...not to mention the infamous IMPOSTER of
the USMC act carried on for years...years in which the
Imposter NEVER supplied a single item of proof, not even
a snapshot of himself on "active duty" during 18 years.

He was probably in "Secret Ops." No photos allowed.


It was so "secret" that all documents were marked "burn
before reading..." :-)


Wonder if he ever used the Code Name "Mr. Phelps?"


Could be...except there is another "Jim" in here. :-)

In the Imposter's case he still screwed up...the tape
self-destructed BEFORE he heard it... :-)


Singed his mustache?

Is Paul going to let you play "Excrement Commando" in RRAP?

Probably he will.

The hell he will.


We will have to wait and see...


I'll give him the benefit...


I give Paul NO "benefit." I've gone round-and-around with him
both in public and private. That gives me a good feeling of
how he will "moderate" this group.


It will just end up with the Coders patting each other on the back for
their heroics.

At best that "recourse" would be NOT posting and NOT
accessing the newsgroup. There is NO sign that anyone
"in charge" today or the last few years has done
anything in regards to "offensive" postings. There is
a curious, prolonged NON-response in Google whenever
anyone clicks on their message option button.


Long delayed echoes... (RADAR term involving range folding).


Parts of Google are doing "stealth" handling?

Ever since they bought out DejaNews they've fallen down
on handling newsgroups. Not just in RRAP but other
groups.


I never was able to find Heil's comments about Veteran's always having
their hands out.

Besides, the Code Test issue is moments away from being
resolved.


Might not even be done this year. The R&O on the
"omnibus" issue began in 2004 and didn't get settled
until 2006. The code test NPRM of last year (05-235)
might be handled in 2007.


True, but in ham-years, that is is just a blink away. I passed my
Novice exams twenty (20) years ago this month and the Old-Timers still
classify me as a newbie.


In the minds of some olde-tymers they think they invented
ham radio. shrug


Even Hiram didn't invent ham radio.

On a trip a couple years ago, I met an "old-timer" ham
who was in his mid-fifties. He went on and on and on
about ham radio, straight from the Book of St. Hiram,
sounding off as if all around him were clueless
civilians. I didn't say too much at first, but began
with some of his claims...and demolished each one by
the referencible facts of the radio-electronics industry
and military electronics-radio. Finally he got down to
his "trump card" which was He was "federally authorized
to transmit by the government!" I happened to have my
old First 'Phone ID card in my wallet along with IEEE
membership card (current) and showed that, adding that
He was NOT authorized to transmit OUTSIDE of the ham
bands on "shortwave." [I couldn't believe he still used
that old term "shortwave" instead of HF]


Well, hell, Len, they ARE shorter than our ONE (1) MW band!

Through all of that I was cool and collected and never
personally insulted him. His reaction was AS IF I did.
I had to defuse the non-discussion for the sake of the
host. Pity that for this guy was really looking for a
personal combat situation,


By chance was he wearing a flight suit?

but was a bit too sloshed to
pose any physical threat to me. Moral of this story is
that there are lots of those self-important hams who are
hams mostly for the rank-status-privilege of that "federal
authorization" and have lost any sense of cameraderie or
fun of just communications with other hobbyists.

The Imposter is just another common carbon-copy of that
mid-life-crisis guy, but one on speed or uppers.


Mitty sure gets around.

A real head case he is...

He's nuts.


I agree but there are others in here who must have
ABSOLUTES to justify such opinions. If he's not "nuts" in
the absolute sense, he will be soon.


He's nuts now.


OK. :-)


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From: on Sun, Oct 15 2006 4:17 pm


wrote:
From: on Fri, Oct 13 2006 7:09pm
wrote:
From: on Fri, Oct 13 2006 10:15am
wrote:
From: on Wed, Oct 11 2006 5:56 pm


Its also interesting that when you use one of his tactics on him, he
says that justifies him doing it in the first place. Such as Mark
out-assholing him.


It's a weird, delusional circular-logic thing of his.


Yeh, its hard to explain.

He is too deluded about himself now to change, though.


His postings have the full support of his wife, he says.


Which one, I wonder? He's paid alimony to the first,
makes nice-nice claims about his second's amateur license,
but it probably in some delusional phase thinking about
wifey #3 that doesn't exist.

However, he IS condoned by all the amateur extras in
here with exceptions only of Hans and Alun. He is "A-OK"
with Jimmie Noserve and that Waffen SS guy...


His behavior is a syndrome of someone who will shortly fall
into certifiable insanity.


The rubber room is waiting.


Perhaps the stainless steel tables in the autopsy room would
be better?


At least it can be sanitized.


Well, he could come out here and hire on as a "corpse"
on one of the CSI shows. [all three are mostly filmed
here in southern California...:-) ]


He quotes himself in here, then claims I have misquoted him.


That's all in his delusional syndrome.


There is no logic in the stuff he says.


Such might exist in his delusional Stevieworld...?


What he "sees" on his screens seems to be different than
what everyone else sees. It is all part of his delusion.


If he would quit forging the attributes maybe he could keep it all
straight.


He can't keep himself straight.

Just think, 18 years in a supposed career and he has NO
documentation of it, not even a snapshot!


Imposter is traveling to Amish country of Pennsylvania?


It's on the way to the Dayton Hamvention.


Ah so! :-)


He'll have to file a travel voucher requesting circuitious travel.


"Circuitous," as in traveling in circles. :-)


The shoelace on his jump boots is caught on something.


Yeah, a hole in his tooth...


Imposter is going to NJ to learn methods of offing
patients from a nurse there who did it?


Sounds like a circle-jerk in the making.


Imposter may have already started in TN?


Did the Man-Nurse in NJ ever get convicted?


I think so. Leastways, he was arrested and had a hearing
with a psych exam ordered.


Elfren Saldivar, the "angel of death" at a Glendale, CA,
hospital, was tried and convicted (with reasons of
insanity) and is very locked up now.


Good. We need to keep these crazies off the streets and out of our
health care systems.


...they keep entering, though. :-(


Thousands of posts worth of insults and failure to discern
right from wrong...not to mention the infamous IMPOSTER of
the USMC act carried on for years...years in which the
Imposter NEVER supplied a single item of proof, not even
a snapshot of himself on "active duty" during 18 years.


He was probably in "Secret Ops." No photos allowed.


It was so "secret" that all documents were marked "burn
before reading..." :-)


Wonder if he ever used the Code Name "Mr. Phelps?"


Could be...except there is another "Jim" in here. :-)


In the Imposter's case he still screwed up...the tape
self-destructed BEFORE he heard it... :-)


Singed his mustache?


Seems to have gotten his head hair instead...



I give Paul NO "benefit." I've gone round-and-around with him
both in public and private. That gives me a good feeling of
how he will "moderate" this group.


It will just end up with the Coders patting each other on the back for
their heroics.


Sigh...a whole newsgroup devoted to MORSE MYTHS. :-(



True, but in ham-years, that is is just a blink away. I passed my
Novice exams twenty (20) years ago this month and the Old-Timers still
classify me as a newbie.


In the minds of some olde-tymers they think they invented
ham radio. shrug


Even Hiram didn't invent ham radio.


Really? :-)

I guess we need a "clarification" on that from Mister ham radio,
Jimmie Noserve. He always claims the "correct" definition on
just about everything. :-)




Through all of that I was cool and collected and never
personally insulted him. His reaction was AS IF I did.
I had to defuse the non-discussion for the sake of the
host. Pity that for this guy was really looking for a
personal combat situation,


By chance was he wearing a flight suit?


Heh heh heh...no such luck. His faded summer shirt had some
kind of red sauce spilled on it.


The Imposter is just another common carbon-copy of that
mid-life-crisis guy, but one on speed or uppers.


Mitty sure gets around.


Hmmm... "What goes around comes around?" [perish the thought!]

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wrote:
From: on Sun, Oct 15 2006 4:17 pm
wrote:
From: on Fri, Oct 13 2006 7:09pm
wrote:
From: on Fri, Oct 13 2006 10:15am
wrote:
From: on Wed, Oct 11 2006 5:56 pm


Its also interesting that when you use one of his tactics on him, he
says that justifies him doing it in the first place. Such as Mark
out-assholing him.


It's a weird, delusional circular-logic thing of his.


Yeh, its hard to explain.

He is too deluded about himself now to change, though.


His postings have the full support of his wife, he says.


Which one, I wonder? He's paid alimony to the first,
makes nice-nice claims about his second's amateur license,
but it probably in some delusional phase thinking about
wifey #3 that doesn't exist.

However, he IS condoned by all the amateur extras in
here with exceptions only of Hans and Alun. He is "A-OK"
with Jimmie Noserve and that Waffen SS guy...


She has a ham license and she has an RRAP account. And she's posted
here before. Yet she remains silent on he husbands heinous activities
on RRAP.

Or maybe she's a figment of his imagination and Robesin would have to
roll out her old RRAP account when he's much too busy creating new
accounts for our geophysicist visitors.

His behavior is a syndrome of someone who will shortly fall
into certifiable insanity.


The rubber room is waiting.


Perhaps the stainless steel tables in the autopsy room would
be better?


At least it can be sanitized.


Well, he could come out here and hire on as a "corpse"
on one of the CSI shows. [all three are mostly filmed
here in southern California...:-) ]


They want good looking corpses, not the crash-test dummy types.
Anyway, he would have a reason other than stalking for being there.

He quotes himself in here, then claims I have misquoted him.


That's all in his delusional syndrome.


There is no logic in the stuff he says.


Such might exist in his delusional Stevieworld...?


Precisely. I'm sure that everything makes sense... in his mind.

What he "sees" on his screens seems to be different than
what everyone else sees. It is all part of his delusion.


If he would quit forging the attributes maybe he could keep it all
straight.


He can't keep himself straight.

Just think, 18 years in a supposed career and he has NO
documentation of it, not even a snapshot!


Certainly "Combat Camera" has some footage of his seven hostile
actions?

Imposter is traveling to Amish country of Pennsylvania?


It's on the way to the Dayton Hamvention.


Ah so! :-)


He'll have to file a travel voucher requesting circuitious travel.


"Circuitous," as in traveling in circles. :-)


The shoelace on his jump boots is caught on something.


Yeah, a hole in his tooth...


And he goes round and round until he runs out of bootlace, then he has
to reverse direction...

Imposter is going to NJ to learn methods of offing
patients from a nurse there who did it?


Sounds like a circle-jerk in the making.


Imposter may have already started in TN?


Did the Man-Nurse in NJ ever get convicted?


I think so. Leastways, he was arrested and had a hearing
with a psych exam ordered.


Elfren Saldivar, the "angel of death" at a Glendale, CA,
hospital, was tried and convicted (with reasons of
insanity) and is very locked up now.


Good. We need to keep these crazies off the streets and out of our
health care systems.


...they keep entering, though. :-(


Yikes! That's right.

Thousands of posts worth of insults and failure to discern
right from wrong...not to mention the infamous IMPOSTER of
the USMC act carried on for years...years in which the
Imposter NEVER supplied a single item of proof, not even
a snapshot of himself on "active duty" during 18 years.


He was probably in "Secret Ops." No photos allowed.


It was so "secret" that all documents were marked "burn
before reading..." :-)


Wonder if he ever used the Code Name "Mr. Phelps?"


Could be...except there is another "Jim" in here. :-)


In the Imposter's case he still screwed up...the tape
self-destructed BEFORE he heard it... :-)


Singed his mustache?


Seems to have gotten his head hair instead...


His eyebrows should be trimmed to balance things.

I give Paul NO "benefit." I've gone round-and-around with him
both in public and private. That gives me a good feeling of
how he will "moderate" this group.


It will just end up with the Coders patting each other on the back for
their heroics.


Sigh...a whole newsgroup devoted to MORSE MYTHS. :-(


When hasn't it been so?

True, but in ham-years, that is is just a blink away. I passed my
Novice exams twenty (20) years ago this month and the Old-Timers still
classify me as a newbie.


In the minds of some olde-tymers they think they invented
ham radio. shrug


Even Hiram didn't invent ham radio.


Really? :-)


Sad, but true.

I guess we need a "clarification" on that from Mister ham radio,
Jimmie Noserve. He always claims the "correct" definition on
just about everything. :-)


Even though Jim posts with authority, not all of his postings are
factual.

Through all of that I was cool and collected and never
personally insulted him. His reaction was AS IF I did.
I had to defuse the non-discussion for the sake of the
host. Pity that for this guy was really looking for a
personal combat situation,


By chance was he wearing a flight suit?


Heh heh heh...no such luck. His faded summer shirt had some
kind of red sauce spilled on it.


He probably came directly from the hamfest instead of stopping at home
and changing his shirt.

The Imposter is just another common carbon-copy of that
mid-life-crisis guy, but one on speed or uppers.


Mitty sure gets around.


Hmmm... "What goes around comes around?" [perish the thought!]


And around and around and around (that shoelace).

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From: on Mon, Oct 16 2006 4:48am

wrote:
From: on Sun, Oct 15 2006 4:17 pm
wrote:
From: on Fri, Oct 13 2006 7:09pm
wrote:
From: on Fri, Oct 13 2006 10:15am
wrote:
From: on Wed, Oct 11 2006 5:56 pm


Its also interesting that when you use one of his tactics on him, he
says that justifies him doing it in the first place. Such as Mark
out-assholing him.


It's a weird, delusional circular-logic thing of his.


Yeh, its hard to explain.


He is too deluded about himself now to change, though.


His postings have the full support of his wife, he says.


Which one, I wonder? He's paid alimony to the first,
makes nice-nice claims about his second's amateur license,
but it probably in some delusional phase thinking about
wifey #3 that doesn't exist.


However, he IS condoned by all the amateur extras in
here with exceptions only of Hans and Alun. He is "A-OK"
with Jimmie Noserve and that Waffen SS guy...


She has a ham license and she has an RRAP account. And she's posted
here before.


Only once as I recall. Of course that could also have been
one of his alternate personalities. There's no easy way to
tell just from the posting.

Yet she remains silent on her husbands heinous activities on RRAP.

Or maybe she's a figment of his imagination and Robesin would have to
roll out her old RRAP account when he's much too busy creating new
accounts for our geophysicist visitors.


"Geophysicists?" :-)

Must have missed those. shrug Hawaii is the new
rock-and-roll state. Newington, CT, will ignore it as it
does all other things west of the Mississippi River...


He quotes himself in here, then claims I have misquoted him.


That's all in his delusional syndrome.


There is no logic in the stuff he says.


Such might exist in his delusional Stevieworld...?


Precisely. I'm sure that everything makes sense... in his mind.


Problem is he tries to "fit in" with reality and that
doesn't work. He can't get by on bluffing and LIES.

For years he has tried to avoid posting anything
anywhere to document his alleged 18-year active USMC
career. He won't even make it available as private
e-mail.


What he "sees" on his screens seems to be different than
what everyone else sees. It is all part of his delusion.


If he would quit forging the attributes maybe he could keep it all
straight.


He can't keep himself straight.


Just think, 18 years in a supposed career and he has NO
documentation of it, not even a snapshot!


Certainly "Combat Camera" has some footage of his seven hostile
actions?


Do they count tavern fights in Escondido or the Mojave?



I give Paul NO "benefit." I've gone round-and-around with him
both in public and private. That gives me a good feeling of
how he will "moderate" this group.


It will just end up with the Coders patting each other on the back for
their heroics.


Sigh...a whole newsgroup devoted to MORSE MYTHS. :-(


When hasn't it been so?


Ah, so true, so true... :-(

True, but in ham-years, that is is just a blink away. I passed my
Novice exams twenty (20) years ago this month and the Old-Timers still
classify me as a newbie.


In the minds of some olde-tymers they think they invented
ham radio. shrug


Even Hiram didn't invent ham radio.


Really? :-)


Sad, but true.


Sic transit gloria mundi. ["so goes the glory of the world"]



I guess we need a "clarification" on that from Mister ham radio,
Jimmie Noserve. He always claims the "correct" definition on
just about everything. :-)


Even though Jim posts with authority, not all of his postings are
factual.


Ol' Jimmie really gets off on the Philadelphia area "firsts."

He went into fantasy orgasm on ENIAC of 1946. He conveniently
left out the Colossus work in the UK from 1942 onwards and
made NO mention of the Atanasoff-Berry Computer at Iowa State
University in 1939. The "ABC" was recreated (almost exactly
as the original) in 1998 at ISU in Ames, IA.

I had originally mixed up 'Ohio' and 'Iowa' and 'OSU' v 'ISU.'
[thanks to a private e-mail from another, non-RRAP person]
My apologies to Iowa State and its grads and fans. Ohio State
had a good computer science section in 1970s and 1980s,
probably still has. Just the same, Professor John V. Atanasoff
had the first idea that was put into practice with the help
of graduate student Clifford Berry...in 1939 to 1942. Iowa
State has some very good pages on the "ABC" in the Internet,
including the working replica.

Jimmie also left out an important patent civil suit between
Honeywell and Sperry-Rand (which had bought out the ENIAC
rights to bail out a near-bankrupt Eckert and Mauchly).
ENIAC had claimed to be the "first." Problem is, Mauchly
had visited ISU, even staying at Atanasoff's hourse for days,
learning about the "ABC," seeing it, talking to Cliff Berry.
In 1941. All of that came out in court and ISU has copies
of the judge's 19 October 1973 final decision paper.

That sort of SELECTIVE highlighting with the sin of
omission or related facts is what the ARRL does most of
the time. Naturally, those who attended the "parochial
school" of the Church of St. Hiram will pick up on the
technique.



The Imposter is just another common carbon-copy of that
mid-life-crisis guy, but one on speed or uppers.

Mitty sure gets around.


Hmmm... "What goes around comes around?" [perish the thought!]


And around and around and around (that shoelace).


Imposter is fit to be tied...or has a fit when tied too tight.
).

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Even though Jim posts with authority, not all of his postings are
factual.


Give us an example.


He went into fantasy orgasm on ENIAC of 1946.


Just stating facts, Len. Nothing I stated about that machine was
incorrect.

He conveniently
left out the Colossus work in the UK from 1942 onwards and
made NO mention of the Atanasoff-Berry Computer at Iowa State
University in 1939. The "ABC" was recreated (almost exactly
as the original) in 1998 at ISU in Ames, IA.


Was the Colossus a general purpose machine? Was it electronic, or
partly electromechanical? Did it have a jump instruction?

Or was it a custom-made special-purpose decryption machine?

As for the ABC, it was not completely electronic. More importantly, the
original was never completed. ENIAC was fully operational for over a
decade - ABC was not finished until 1998.

I had originally mixed up 'Ohio' and 'Iowa' and 'OSU' v 'ISU.'
[thanks to a private e-mail from another, non-RRAP person]
My apologies to Iowa State and its grads and fans. Ohio State
had a good computer science section in 1970s and 1980s,
probably still has. Just the same, Professor John V. Atanasoff
had the first idea that was put into practice with the help
of graduate student Clifford Berry...in 1939 to 1942. Iowa
State has some very good pages on the "ABC" in the Internet,
including the working replica.


But the original ABC was never fully operational, nor complete.

left out an important patent civil suit between
Honeywell and Sperry-Rand (which had bought out the ENIAC
rights to bail out a near-bankrupt Eckert and Mauchly).
ENIAC had claimed to be the "first." Problem is, Mauchly
had visited ISU, even staying at Atanasoff's hourse for days,
learning about the "ABC," seeing it, talking to Cliff Berry.
In 1941. All of that came out in court and ISU has copies
of the judge's 19 October 1973 final decision paper.


Doesn't change the validity of what I wrote. The ENIAC was completed
and operational by 1946. ABC was not. The patent in question was not
relevant to which machine was the first general purpose, high speed,
electronic digital computer.

That sort of SELECTIVE highlighting with the sin of
omission or related facts is what the ARRL does most of
the time.


That's just sour graoes in your part, Len. Completely untrue.

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wrote:

Even though Jim posts with authority, not all of his postings are
factual.


Give us an example.


You GOT the "example."

He went into fantasy orgasm on ENIAC of 1946.


Just stating facts, Len. Nothing I stated about that machine was
incorrect.


You copied off the Moore School website PR material.
In itself that material is either incomplete or
erroneous...such as the extravagant claim that
"ENIAC changed the world."

The FACT is that tomorrow, Thursday, 19 October, marks
the 33rd anniversary of a federal court decision on
who had the first electronic computer. The judge's
decision was that Iowa State University had it, the
Atanasoff-Berry Computer (familiarly called "ABC").

Not only that, court transcripts indicate that John
Mauchly had already seen the "ABC" but talked to both
Atanasoff and Berry in detail on that "ABC." Further,
Mauchly and Atanasoff exchanged mail following Mauchly's
trip to Iowa to see the "ABC."

If you wish to see more and in detail on the REAL
"first electronic computer," just go to:

http://www.iastate.edu

And follow the links. There's many pages of information
on the "ABC" plus that famous trial about "the ENIAC
patents." Sperry-Rand (who had purchased the rights to
the ENIAC patents) LOST that trial. TS for Sperry-Rand.
Not only that, the judge chided Mauchly in his decision
paper, stating that Mauchly had taken a priori knowledge
from the "ABC" and tried to pass it off as "his" for the
ENIAC.


As for the ABC, it was not completely electronic.


Really?!? WTF are you talking about? Look at the Iowa
State "ABC" pages. Nice illustrations of it.

More importantly, the original was never completed.


"Never completed?!?" WTF are you talking about?
It was "completed" in the 1939 to 1942 period. As far
as a federal court is concerned it was most definitely
COMPLETED, completed well enough for the judge to
declare it, the "ABC", was the FIRST electronic
computer. [TRY to get used to that, Jimmie, I know it
is damn difficult for you but for 33 years the "first"
electronic computer title has gone to the Atanasoff-
Berry Computer of 1939]

ENIAC was fully operational for over a
decade -


NOT "fully operational" by Moore School or the short-
lived 'company' of Mauchly and Eckert (they went broke
and Sperry-Rand had to bail them out by buying rights
to the machine). The US Army took it over (having paid
for it in the first place) and John Von Neuman suggested
the Army should CHANGE certain parts of it.

ENIAC was *NOT* the "First" electronic computer. Get
used to it.

ABC was not finished until 1998.


Bull****. What *I* described was a REPLICA. Built by
the Computer Sciences Department of Iowa State. Between
1942 and about 1994 (a mere 52 years), the original "ABC"
had been scrounged for parts for other projects. All that
remained of the original (in the 1990s) was one memory
drum. Atanasoff and Berry kept good notes and diagrams,
even wrote some internal papers about the "ABC." Those
were used to build the REPLICA.

"ABC" used a revolving drum holding capacitors for
electronic memory storage...each capacitor storing one
binary bit. "ABC" had a "recharge" section which would
keep the bit capacitors' charges up for as long as it
was on. Note: In the 1939-1942 time frame there was
no such thing as a magnetic memory drum to use by
anyone. [magnetic recording was not yet mature in that
time frame, but it was available...barely] Atanasoff
and Berry had to use what was available. "High-speed"
mass memory didn't exist until the invention of the
"Williams tube" in the UK, the one using a CRT faceplate
with conductive foil in small patches on it to form an
equivalent charge storage for each bit.

ENIAC was NEVER replicated in its original form. At best
is a Moore School internal project for "ENIAC on a chip,"
putting the whole thing on a single IC. That info is on
the ENIAC website, perhaps of interest, perhaps not since
Intel had the FIRST CPU-on-a-chip decades ago.


But the original ABC was never fully operational, nor complete.


It was COMPLETE. It was FULLY OPERATIONAL as to its
intended tasks.

The "ABC" was intended to be used to solve certain
problems. It did that. While it was NEVER intended
to solve "all-purpose" computing problems (as if the
modern mainframes had existed in 1939 to use as a
model of that), it was FULLY OPERATIONAL enough for a
court to decide which electronic computer was FIRST.


Doesn't change the validity of what I wrote. The ENIAC was completed
and operational by 1946. ABC was not.


False. Firstly, YOU NEVER mentioned the "ABC." Secondly,
"ABC" was completed and operational by 1942, four years
prior to the ENIAC first running.

The patent in question was not
relevant to which machine was the first general purpose, high speed,
electronic digital computer.


The TIME FRAME is the relevant item, Jimmie, the TIME FRAME.
1939 to 1942 is WELL BEFORE the ENIAC.

Further, John Mauchly essentially committed intellectual
property theft of certain aspects of "ABC" to use in ENIAC.

Trashcan the "high speed" adjectives for ENIAC, Jimmie.
It is NOT "high speed" at all. It was slower in operation
than my Apple ][+ of 1980. It was slower than ALL of the
first personal electronic computers made in the 1960s and
1970s. "Programming" of ENIAC sometimes "took weeks" for
a single task according to some REAL computer history sites
and textbooks.

That sort of SELECTIVE highlighting with the sin of
omission or related facts is what the ARRL does most of
the time.


That's just sour graoes in your part, Len. Completely untrue.


I've never tasted a "sour graoe." What is it?

The ARRL *DOES* 'sin by omission' of lots of radio-electronic
history. 'Sin of omission' refers to mentioning ONLY what
the ARRL thinks is relevant for amateur radio and to make
prospective members think they can join a completely 'honest'
organization. ARRL is also a POLITICAL ENTITY, Jimmie, it
lobbies for things *it* wants, but says what it wants is
"for the good of amateur radio." [typical POLITICAL spin]

Sorry, Jimmie, but what I wrote *IS* completely TRUE. Try
untwisting your knickers a bit and quit trying to defend
the ARRL as if you were an army of one. [you've never
served in any military, don't know how to fight for your
or anyone else's life] ARRL *IS* a political entity and
deserves every comment it gets, good or bad.



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Or maybe she's a figment of his imagination and Robesin would have to
roll out her old RRAP account when he's much too busy creating new
accounts for our geophysicist visitors.


"Geophysicists?" :-)


Why sure, Leonard. Your pal, Col. Mark Morgan has now confessed to
being a geophysicist. From some of his message headers, he is missing
his id.

Must have missed those. shrug Hawaii is the new
rock-and-roll state. Newington, CT, will ignore it as it
does all other things west of the Mississippi River...


There aren't many of your posts in which you don't tell some outright
falsehood. Both CNN and Fox News carried accounts of cellular phone
service being disrupted. I'll bet some of those radio hams end up
handling communication in the aftermath of the earthquake. Texas is
west of the Mississippi. Do you think hams will be a part of the action
in the wake of the flooding there?

For years he has tried to avoid posting anything
anywhere to document his alleged 18-year active USMC
career. He won't even make it available as private
e-mail.


I served in the military only four years, Len. I've posted nothing here
in documenting my active duty service. I've not, nor would I ever make
any such documentation available to you in an e-mail. Look what kind of
things you've written about my active duty military service. Go figure!

That sort of SELECTIVE highlighting with the sin of
omission or related facts is what the ARRL does most of
the time. Naturally, those who attended the "parochial
school" of the Church of St. Hiram will pick up on the
technique.


You haven't attended catechism studies and haven't been confirmed. You
don't pledge, you don't tithe. You may not partake. You're still an
unbaptized heathen in the world of amateur radio.

Dave K8MN



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