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From: "Dee Flint" on Fri, Oct 27 2006 8:16pm
wrote in message Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message Dee Flint wrote: "Chris" wrote in message In addition, I have repeatedly stated that each and every mode has its advantages and disadvantages. If you were to compare and contrast all existing modes, it think it is likely that you would claim that CW is the best mode. Depends on the conditions. One can construct scenarios where whatever mode they favor is the "best". "CW always gets through..." :-) Any one striving to be a knowledgeable ham should be converstant with those scenarios. ...especially in the Newington, CT, area. :-) If you need an image, SST or fax are far better modes than CW. The "best" mode depends on the purpose of the communication and the conditions under which that communication must be sent. There is NO separate pass-fail TEST for "image, SST [sic] or fax" nor for data or voice required by the FCC for an amateur license. ["SSTV"] The ONLY separate pass-fail TEST is for manual telegraphy. Because of the efforts made to dismiss countless Morse Myths over the years, you were just now able to state that not all CW signals are good without 1x2 PCTAs pooh poohing such talk. You are exaggerating. Hardly. ALL of the pro-code 1x2s in here, plus some 1x3s, have stated the hoary old Maxim "CW always gets through." Except N2EY who never admits to doing anything wrong...:-) None have stated all CW signals are good. What they have contended is that it is possible to copy a poor CW signal under conditions where you could not copy other types of signals. "CW always gets through..." :-) If morse code radiotelegraphy were so "good," why hasn't NASA picked up on it for the Deep Space Net? For the quarter-million-mile 'DX' path to our moon? Why have the maritime folks GIVEN UP on morse code for Safety Of Life At Sea? [GMDSS uses a form of data, automated] PSK will allow 100 WPM data to get through when all the morsepersons have to use their imaginations to fill in the garbled morse characters. Still, the argument over the separate pass-fail "CW" TEST is there with all the morsepersons wanting it be kept forever and ever in FCC regulations...WHY? Rhetorical question. The separate pass-fail "CW" TEST is there because: (1) The ARRL wants it (they "know what is best for ham radio"); (2) The already-licensed had to take a morse test and everyone else had better take one, too! |
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![]() wrote in message oups.com... wrote: From: "Dee Flint" on Fri, Oct 27 2006 8:16pm wrote in message Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message Dee Flint wrote: "Chris" wrote in message How refreshing to find that not one attribute has been forged. In addition, I have repeatedly stated that each and every mode has its advantages and disadvantages. If you were to compare and contrast all existing modes, it think it is likely that you would claim that CW is the best mode. Depends on the conditions. One can construct scenarios where whatever mode they favor is the "best". "CW always gets through..." :-) "CW always gets through" in only one scenario, and that is a fictitious K3LT scenario. Any one striving to be a knowledgeable ham should be converstant with those scenarios. ...especially in the Newington, CT, area. :-) Is somebody running for an ARRL office? If you need an image, SST or fax are far better modes than CW. The "best" mode depends on the purpose of the communication and the conditions under which that communication must be sent. There is NO separate pass-fail TEST for "image, SST [sic] or fax" nor for data or voice required by the FCC for an amateur license. ["SSTV"] The ONLY separate pass-fail TEST is for manual telegraphy. Wow! I guess CW is more valued than ALL OF THE OTHER MODES COMBINED! Not so. However, all the digital and image modes are merely a matter of connecting the radio to the computer and running the appropriate software. Once I decided to try the digital thing, I made the interface and was up and running in an hour. After a couple of months, it became rather boring. On the other hand, code needs to be learned before it can be tried. Many people will give up learning before they've had a chance to try it if there is not a test for it. PSK will allow 100 WPM data to get through when all the morsepersons have to use their imaginations to fill in the garbled morse characters. Yet PSK fails utterly and completely when there is an aurora. And the ionospheric problems associated with an aurora cause problems far south of the actual aurora zone so it is not just a northern issue. The computer may be sending PSK at 100wpm per minute but the data won't be copyable on the other end. Even a beginner sending and receiving at 5wpm will have better throughput. When the aurora is relatively mild, even voice will be more successful than PSK. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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![]() Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... wrote: The ONLY separate pass-fail TEST is for manual telegraphy. Wow! I guess CW is more valued than ALL OF THE OTHER MODES COMBINED! Not so. However, all the digital and image modes are merely a matter of connecting the radio to the computer and running the appropriate software. Then why do the military service have technical schools to do somehting so very simple? Why aren't the communications billets merely a direct duty assignment after basic training? Once I decided to try the digital thing, I made the interface and was up and running in an hour. After a couple of months, it became rather boring. Do you suppose that there are licensed amateurs that find CW boring? On the other hand, code needs to be learned before it can be tried. Many people will give up learning before they've had a chance to try it if there is not a test for it. Whole government agencies gave up on code. Commercial businesses gave up on code. |
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![]() wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... wrote: The ONLY separate pass-fail TEST is for manual telegraphy. Wow! I guess CW is more valued than ALL OF THE OTHER MODES COMBINED! Not so. However, all the digital and image modes are merely a matter of connecting the radio to the computer and running the appropriate software. Then why do the military service have technical schools to do somehting so very simple? Why aren't the communications billets merely a direct duty assignment after basic training? Beats me. But you know what they say. There's the right way, the wrong way and the Army way. I would not presume to pass judgement on their training. However it may be that some of the recruits have not yet learned to read a schematic and have never operated a soldering iron. I'm quite sure that is not part of basic training. Once I decided to try the digital thing, I made the interface and was up and running in an hour. After a couple of months, it became rather boring. Do you suppose that there are licensed amateurs that find CW boring? So what if it is boring. That is no reason not to learn it. I suspected that digital would end up being boring but since I believe that a person should be striving to increase their knowledge and skills, I decided it was time to become familiar with this area. Afterall, I might find myself in the position of being asked to Elmer someone in this area. On the other hand, code needs to be learned before it can be tried. Many people will give up learning before they've had a chance to try it if there is not a test for it. Whole government agencies gave up on code. Commercial businesses gave up on code. They have different goals and objectives than amateur radio. Government agencies and commercial business do not have the goal of individual self training and experimentation. Comparing amateur radio to government/commercial applications is like comparing apples to pomegranates. They're both red fruits but there the similarity ends. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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![]() Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... wrote: The ONLY separate pass-fail TEST is for manual telegraphy. Wow! I guess CW is more valued than ALL OF THE OTHER MODES COMBINED! Not so. However, all the digital and image modes are merely a matter of connecting the radio to the computer and running the appropriate software. Then why do the military service have technical schools to do somehting so very simple? Why aren't the communications billets merely a direct duty assignment after basic training? Beats me. But you know what they say. There's the right way, the wrong way and the Army way. I would not presume to pass judgement on their training. However it may be that some of the recruits have not yet learned to read a schematic and have never operated a soldering iron. I'm quite sure that is not part of basic training. What's to know? Follow the little lines, right? And a soldering pencil is just another appliance. Once I decided to try the digital thing, I made the interface and was up and running in an hour. After a couple of months, it became rather boring. Do you suppose that there are licensed amateurs that find CW boring? So what if it is boring. That is no reason not to learn it. I suspected that digital would end up being boring but since I believe that a person should be striving to increase their knowledge and skills, I decided it was time to become familiar with this area. Afterall, I might find myself in the position of being asked to Elmer someone in this area. On the other hand, code needs to be learned before it can be tried. Many people will give up learning before they've had a chance to try it if there is not a test for it. Whole government agencies gave up on code. Commercial businesses gave up on code. They have different goals and objectives than amateur radio. Saving lives and property. Highly disimilar from amateur radio. Government agencies and commercial business do not have the goal of individual self training and experimentation. Comparing amateur radio to government/commercial applications is like comparing apples to pomegranates. They're both red fruits but there the similarity ends. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE That must be why the GROL exam was lifted from the Amateur Advanced Exam (minus the amateur rules and CW req't). |
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Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... wrote: The ONLY separate pass-fail TEST is for manual telegraphy. Wow! I guess CW is more valued than ALL OF THE OTHER MODES COMBINED! Not so. However, all the digital and image modes are merely a matter of connecting the radio to the computer and running the appropriate software. Then why do the military service have technical schools to do somehting so very simple? I guess it is because of the raw material they have to work with. Why aren't the communications billets merely a direct duty assignment after basic training? They can be. That's how I did it. I never set foot in an Air Force technical school. Of course I'd already been a radio amateur for seven years when I joined the military. I was awarded my 3-level right out of basic training. I went directed duty to Barksdale AFB after ten days of leave after Amarillo. Whole government agencies gave up on code. Commercial businesses gave up on code. Oracle uses a lot of code. Dave K8MN |
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![]() Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... wrote: The ONLY separate pass-fail TEST is for manual telegraphy. Wow! I guess CW is more valued than ALL OF THE OTHER MODES COMBINED! Not so. However, all the digital and image modes are merely a matter of connecting the radio to the computer and running the appropriate software. Then why do the military service have technical schools to do somehting so very simple? I guess it is because of the raw material they have to work with. Always a kind word for our armed forced... Why aren't the communications billets merely a direct duty assignment after basic training? They can be. That's how I did it. I never set foot in an Air Force technical school. Of course I'd already been a radio amateur for seven years when I joined the military. I was awarded my 3-level right out of basic training. I went directed duty to Barksdale AFB after ten days of leave after Amarillo. Lackland. San Antonio. Did you catch what Robesin's got? Whole government agencies gave up on code. Commercial businesses gave up on code. Oracle uses a lot of code. Dave K8MN Is Oracle an Extra? What's his call? |
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Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Then why do the military service have technical schools to do somehting so very simple? I guess it is because of the raw material they have to work with. Always a kind word for our armed forced... Armed forced? Our military isn't perfect. Many of those who enlist aren't all that sharp. Most are shoved into a career field in which they have no interest. Most aren't going to make the military a career. Some are lucky enough to have skills obtained prior to military service. Some of those are fortunate enough to serve in a field in which they have some expertise or interest. Why aren't the communications billets merely a direct duty assignment after basic training? They can be. That's how I did it. I never set foot in an Air Force technical school. Of course I'd already been a radio amateur for seven years when I joined the military. I was awarded my 3-level right out of basic training. I went directed duty to Barksdale AFB after ten days of leave after Amarillo. Lackland. San Antonio. Yes, Lackland AFB is in San Antonio. Amarillo AFB was in Amarillo. That's where I went through basic training. Amarillo. Amarillo. Did you catch what Robesin's got? I have no idea of what you mean, Brian. Whole government agencies gave up on code. Commercial businesses gave up on code. Oracle uses a lot of code. Is Oracle an Extra? What's his call? Oracle is a business which didn't give up on code. Dave K8MN |
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From: on Sun, Oct 29 2006 6:32am
Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message wrote: The ONLY separate pass-fail TEST is for manual telegraphy. Wow! I guess CW is more valued than ALL OF THE OTHER MODES COMBINED! Not so. However, all the digital and image modes are merely a matter of connecting the radio to the computer and running the appropriate software. Then why do the military service have technical schools to do somehting so very simple? Why aren't the communications billets merely a direct duty assignment after basic training? Heh heh heh...I can't wait to see Dee's answer on that! :-) Once I decided to try the digital thing, I made the interface and was up and running in an hour. After a couple of months, it became rather boring. Do you suppose that there are licensed amateurs that find CW boring? Gosh, from what I've seen, DATA on ham bands is a lot like the old computer-modem comms by wireline! Sort of like the Internet and USENET access now. Maybe Dee just get 'bored' easily? Maybe Dee actually "works" USENET by morse code and her ISP 'translates' that into text? :-) On the other hand, code needs to be learned before it can be tried. Many people will give up learning before they've had a chance to try it if there is not a test for it. Whole government agencies gave up on code. Commercial businesses gave up on code. Sunnuvagun! :-) Maybe the whole rest of the radio world KNOWS something that the morsepersons don't? |
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