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November 4th 06, 04:25 AM
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What is the ARRL's thought on having good amateurs?
wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Oct 31 2006 6:07 pm Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message wrote: Must you put on your stupid face? Can't you take a typo? Brian, it's the usual PCTA "answer" in debate. :-) Dipschitt trips all over a typo and can't punctuate his way out of a wet paper bag. Ah, but he "saved the day" at some small-time embassy when he used morse to "synchronize his RTTYs!" :-) He said. Lacking any valid response, they resort to misdirective attempts at personal humiliation about minutae that have NO direct bearing on the SUBJECT. They must be very, very clever. They ARE! They tell you so, right in here! True enough, but I think they're wrong. Since Heil is bound and determined to find typos and misspellings, all we have to do is scrutinize HIS epic prose in here and make him wallow in his own typographical errors...forever and ever... :-) I'll point out his punctuation errors a few times and let it go. What Heil is never going to forget is working out of band Frenchmen on 6 Meters. Perhaps when he passes, I start an amateur club memorializes his DX expertise and Operating prowess. It may not be in the same League as the Barry Goldwater station, but it'll be a start. Maybe you could get some space for it in France? Or even Algeria? :-) Fr. Guyana? Our military isn't perfect. Many of those who enlist aren't all that sharp. Most are shoved into a career field in which they have no interest. Most aren't going to make the military a career. You must be remembering the draft years when, even though the Air Force didn't use the draft, the draft generated a significant interest in Air Force service. That and the USN. The USAF and USN weren't considered as direct combat military branches by draftees worried silly about harm to their precious bodies. Back in the Vietnam War era 33 to 50 years ago, that is. Has Jim approved your use of 1973 as the end of the war, or was he still tucking tail as late as 1975? He might still be looking for the "correct" answer somewhere on the ARRL website... I like 1973, no matter what Jim thinks or says. And until we get or MIA's and POW's all back, I think it's still an open matter. Some are lucky enough to have skills obtained prior to military service. Some of those are fortunate enough to serve in a field in which they have some expertise or interest. Some with grave disappointment that they couldn't be hams in particular combat zones. Funny thing, but the military doesn't consider amateur radio "contesting" as a useful skill in maintaining communications 24/7. Military personnel placement types MIGHT give such recruits a nod in the direction of some communications IF (and only IF) there is a directive they have for a communications specialty. Mmmmm. I would worry about someone not receiving standardized training. Could you ever be sure they were getting the job done unsupervised? Not really. Outside of MARS I can't see any military comms facilities using ham gear. Maybe an old Hammarlund SP-600 civilian HF receiver that the military bought a lot of... The military thrives on standardization. When I enlisted in the Army, I was assigned to Signal Corps and Signal Basic Training WITHOUT being a licensed amateur and hitting only the medium percentile in the morse code aptitude test! Sunnuvagun! :-) Yeh, I was trained in meteorology which was in the "General" category, my worst area. Somehow I managed dinstinguished grad in both the 3 level and mandatory 7 level schools. "Level" terminology not understood. ? 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 level 1 is a graduate of basic training. 9 is full performance level for a careerist. Good on that, though. From what I've seen of WX stations, it is NOT some high school science project stuff. :-) Military wx personnel are a lot more competent than what you're seing on television. I don't know where those guys come from although most of them have collitch degrees in meteorology. Our biggest challenge as Airmen and NCO's was to retrain LTs and Capts in standardized methods. Oh, yeah, in March 1952 there was a definite WAR going on, but in northeast Asia, not southeast Asia. The Army had definite needs for infantry, artillery, and armor personnel replacements but I was picked for signal. My only license then was an Illinois driver license. :-) Army needs... Infantry, artillery, and armor are the "line" units involved with direct hostile action...in case some civilian wanted to know. They take the hits right off. The only homegrown WX that the Army has are the ARTYMET guys. They run up PIBALs for wind speeds and directions for calculating trajectory. The rest of the weather on Army installations and deployed are USAF. That's how I ended up with 2ID. Thing was, the Army thought ALL personnel were "soldiers first, specialists second." That's why we got to play sojer in da woods after our regular specialist duty hours. You gotta believe me when I say that all us USAF guys were thrilled with USA assignments... I recall geting woke by the armory saying I had to come down and clean my dirty weapon. I was between 12 hour midshifts when the call came in, so I was lacking a sense of humor. I called them back and told them my weapon was clean, read me the weapon number. Yep, it was my weapon. So I put on my uniform and went down there. Gave em my weapon card, and they handed be a filthy rifle, not just powder residue, but sand and mud, too. I asked them not to hand out my weapon to anyone but me from now on. Probably a direct duty MOS. What we got there in Heil's (altered?) version of his personal biographic factoids is strangely similar to the undetailed, grandiose CLAIMS of the former "war hero of the USMC," Major Dud (Robeson). :-) Other than being in country, Heil has made no claims of direct action or heroism. As far as I'm concerned, he was just another REMF who, years later, is playing everyone as if he were the big hero in "a country at war!" [those REMFs are spotted miles away...] He may have been a REMF, but I don't know. No problem on proof for me. I've got my records and some of them are digitized (PDF for universality in viewing) from their original form. The official archives in St. Louis (NARA Military Personnel Records Center) has them for proof by anyone with access. I'm good with what Heil has presented. I'm not. He was "in" the USAF but that's all I will accept. That military time should have been good for his guvmint pension accumulation time, though...probably his whole plan for his future? Said he lives in a tar paper shack in WV. That doesn't sound like bragging, and it's something I can believe. FWIW, I think the state dept was merely a vehicle for dxpeditions, not a significant grab for a fat pension. Why aren't the communications billets merely a direct duty assignment after basic training? They can be. That's how I did it. I never set foot in an Air Force technical school. Of course I'd already been a radio amateur for seven years when I joined the military. I was awarded my 3-level right out of basic training. I went directed duty to Barksdale AFB after ten days of leave after Amarillo. Lackland. San Antonio. Yes, Lackland AFB is in San Antonio. Amarillo AFB was in Amarillo. That's where I went through basic training. Amarillo. Amarillo. I see. Wikipedia confirms Amarillo AFB as an inprocessing base. Did you catch what Robesin's got? I have no idea of what you mean, Brian. Stories about the military. Oh, my, here comes Major Dud Robeson the II. :-) Naw. He's playing tag with Mark. Whatever. :-) I think all of Marks out-assholing Robesin has finally paid off. Since 54 years ago I've been acquainted with (perhaps) hundreds of military personnel both as one myself and (much longer) as a civilian. I don't know of ANY military personnel who "DIDN'T" receive any specialty training after their Basic Training (or Boot Camp for USN and USMC and USCG). There were a handful of billets that were DDA. Most of the unskilled work was handled by folks getting kicked out for various non-adaptability issues. No doubt. Thing is, Heil could usually claim anydamnthing he wanted knowing that few in public venues of now would have been in the Air Force in Vietnam. Just like there are few amateurs who were in the State Department. Given that kind of an "audience," he can get away with all kinds of brags...and saying lots of generalities without going into specifics. My favorite is his brag about working out of band Frenchmen on 6M. What an idiot. The USAF signals people have a long tradition of keeping comms alive and well 24/7 just as the Army did it (USAF came out of the Army in the later 1940s). "Getting the message through" at any time of the day or night is the watchword for both USA and USAF signals. They don't do it the "amateur way" as a HOBBY. I got to visit SAC's "Giant Talk" at Elkhorn, NE. That was so cool. And the Navy broadcast stations on Guam. I used to receive their wx rtty and fax transmissions when in the field with the 2nd ID/ROK. Fun stuff. Later I had to rely on wx rtty only from Diego Garcia, and WEFAX from the orbiters in Somalia. Hmmm...more "glamorous" kinds of comms than I was involved in. :-) Constantly changing antenna lengths and orientation. We used a lot of Alden 9315TR and TRT's. And WEFAX or HRPT strip imagery. We did have a setup in a comm van for wx intercept that never really worked that well, and tons more expensive than the Aldens. Then we got a dedicated Tactical Automated Weather Distribution System (TAWDS) that had a bank of HF transceivers, modems, and a Nye Viking telegraph key. Nobody knew what the key was for. As I was leaving the service, Harris Corp in Melbourn was building us a tactical DMSP terminal. I made a fdew trips to Melbourne and Ft Gillem to review its progress. Funny thing, I think the great big DMSP vans were originally "tactical." I would have liked to visit some of the old ACAN-DCS sites of the 1950s-1960s but most of those closed down or got very changed. Fort Deitrich in MD became a chem warfare center, no longer the central point of WAR (Washington Army Radio). The "Frisco" Army station was really more inland at Davis, CA, and has long been closed down. I understand the AFRS-VOA big station at Delano, CA, also went down. AFRTS used to have an adminstrative Hq only about a mile and a half from my house in Sun Valley, CA, but they moved that way east to an ex-USAF airfield; those buildings haven't been leased out to anyone else yet and its been like 8 years ago! [the dirt shadow of the old raised lettering of the building complex is still visible from La Tuna Canyon Boulevard] "My" old ADA site was taken over by USAF in 1963 and they ran it until 1978, then everything given back to Japanese. I arrived in ROK in 1979, and the switch at Fuchu was in use for wx comms. SAC ain't no more now and USAF has had a rather massive re- organization of units and mission roles. Reorganization was the only way to manage the 50+% drawdown. By reorganizing the AF at the same time as the drawdown, it kept everyone confused. We didn't notice if we were screwed up because we were hemmoraging people, or if we were screwed up because the reorg plan was bad. Strategic Air Command is now called Strategic Command or StratCom for short. They lost almost all of their tankers to Military Airlift Command/MAC, renamed Air Mobility Command/AMC. Tactical Air Command /TAC was renamed Air Combat Command/ACC. I guess they put all their thought into the new name for ACC. One thing good is that the old "oil burner routes" aren't there in civilian aviation notices...the old SAC practice runs on "targets" similar to USSR target locations. Be thankful that MAD worked! Almost nobody alive today knows about that. There IS an exception: AFRS and (later) AFRTS. A Special Services branch...entertainment (and, supposedly morale) folks in uniform. Armed Forces Radio (and Television) Service doesn't operate from combat zones, doesn't even "fight" for ratings. It is show biz. Yeh, I watched them once or twice in the ROK, probably once during each tour. I did listen to the radio, and enjoyed the "shadow" and other old-tyme boradcast stuff they would put on autopilot overnight (worked a lot and worked a lot of night shifts). The "T" wasn't stuffed into 'AFRS' until after 1960? Now there's an AFRTS station on each USN aircraft carrier! :-) They've got University of Maryland instructors on board, too. AFRTS can download from various comm sats and rebroadcast now, if there still are some AFRTS terrestrial stations. Back in the 1950s AFRS depended a lot on HF relay from live USA broadcasts such as the baseball World Series. That would come in to Japan at about 2 AM the 'same day' get taped and then rebroadcast AS IF it were 'live' that afternoon. Yep, same deal with TV in the Pacific. I heard people complain that if they read the Stars and Stripes, it would ruin the outcome of the game that we be televised about a week after the fact. MARS might be in the same category as AFRS-AFRTS. It was never essential to military communications despite the civilian hoopla attached to it. Yeh, when I was a war planner, I used to hit up the message center every morning about 6:30 AM, visit the control center, get an update on wx data flowing from our deployed locations, problems, etc. I'd brief the Colonel when he got in on the contingency locations, we'd go take the wx briefing, then head into the CINCs briefing. MARS had nothing to do with any comm we used. Same with me and ACAN-DCS. However, the Tokyo MARS station got 3rd priority level for 1 KW RTTY using the FEC HQ aircraft relay transmitter. Two-down and three-down NCOs at MARS used to try and "pull rank" on the night shifts at ADA to 'demand' time on it. :-) Kind of got to be fun for me when they did, I just read off the standing orders on useage priority, the ones signed by the light bird colonel who was then battalion commander. :-) After a couple years frustration the Tokyo MARS finally got their own teeny transmitter-receiver site at their billet...but with a nice new tribander beam. Regular message traffic was like thousands of TTYs per shift in the 1950s...running 24/7 of course. Kind of dull after the first few weeks on the job. Even in the big TTY relay room at Control (220 TTY tape units) We just made sure all the Txs were up and running, did the necessary QSYs, pulled maintenance when scheduled, checked the radio relay systems (landline backup) to make sure they worked if needed. On a rare month one Tx might go down of old age and we would do a frantic antenna connection changeover to bring up a spare Tx. Once a month the lowest-level contingency plan (a single 30 W AN/GRC-9 Tx-Rs left over from WW II would be tried from the transmitter site, manned by the only NCO there who could do morse. Each time the Rx would be so swamped by extraneous RF that the test net couldn't be heard. :-) From the 1990s onward, MARS has taken on a communications role for most of the US government...and doing good at that...using military MARS personnel. With DSN connection to the Internet, the "boys overseas" don't need to wait for surface mail or use phone patches to talk direct to family and friends. Or have some creep eavesdrop on husband/wife talk. DSN is a LOT harder to intercept. Has to be done at DSN centers using their terminal equipment. But...in Heil's case WE don't really know in DETAIL what Heil actually did. He hasn't described it in anything but vague generalities and intimations of work performed. I don't even know if it was fixed or tactical, but that's alright. He implies it was something like "under fire" but that isn't the info I get from folks who worked HF comms there and not much is written up in the Army Center for Military History except NON-morse comms. To use Major Dud Robeson's "description" Heil was "in one hostile action" action. :-) Coulda been. Don't know. He served and isn't claiming to be a hero. He was in "a country at war!" :-) I'm in a "country at war." Heil sounds off real big, smug and arrogant with "facts." Thing is, he just doesn't apply those facts factually to his own (33 to 40 year prior personal history) other than the usual claims of having "expertise" in amateur radio. [he sounds like a verbose Blowcode in drag... :-) ] The smugness is a bit hard to take. True. He sounds off like being Big and Important. :-) Sounds to me more like frustrated and little. Whole government agencies gave up on code. Commercial businesses gave up on code. Oracle uses a lot of code. Heil put on his stupid face again. :-( The "code" referred to by you, by me, is COMPUTER (Instruction) "CODE." Sigh...more MISDIRECTION into the general "code." He needed an opening to show that he knows more than just amateur radio and guitar. Yeah, like he wouldn't know a NOP from a JMP instruction if it bit him in the rump. :-( Oracle is a business which didn't give up on code. Bill Gates has an answer for your Oracle. Very much so! :-) A few billion bucks here, a few billion bucks there...might even add up to real money! (paraphrasing Yogi Berra) [thanks to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation for all their many chartitable contributions worldwide!] I just don't think Bill Gates (or Paul Allen) much give a **** for morse "code." :-) I think I'll send Bill an email and invite him to become an amateur. Excellent! He could probably use a laugh. Who knows, he just might send a buck or two to the frequency defense fund. I know and use a few high-level COMPUTER codes. I know and use a few Assembler-level COMPUTER codes. Those just ain't "morse code." :-) My little Apple ][+ can do a third of a million "words per second." [based on the average number of clock cycles per byte-word instruction Ain't NO morseman that can come close to that. :-) I'm surprised that Jim doesn't try to force Bill Gates to use morse code as a programming language. Hell, it's digital, right??? Sheesh...the best Miccolis could do is crib the ENIAC museum PR stuff. :-) Gates could BUY an ENIAC out of petty cash funds. He could also buy out the whole ARRL if he desired; any corporation doing less than $15 million per annum in taxable income would be considered "very small" to him. Church of Saint Bill Gates... has a certain ring to esn't it? My current computer box is one helluva lot FASTER than that 1980-era Apple ][+ and goes faster per second with 32-bit words. My dial-up connection to the Internet (usually 50 KBPS) does about 50,000 "words per minute" just with the 3 KHz bandwidth telephone line. The new set-top cable TV box we just had installed this morning (has a DVR built-in plus more cable service channels, all on digital) has an incredibly high data rate. [our Samsung 27 inch DTV accepts DTV direct from the new digital service set-top box] But...we must all "respect and honor" the mighty morse expertise of the PCTA amateur extras because they think they typify the "state of the art" in communications mode use. Greater than 20 "words per minute!" Good grief... 1906 thinking in the year 2006. Ptui. It will all be over with soon. I'm getting pessimistic. The Living Morse Museum of Amateur Radio on HF will continue too far into the future and the code test with it. Maybe long enough to Rescue the Earth and Mankind when alien beings from the stars invade us...'rescue' using morse code! :-( BTW, I still haven't heard of any amateur writing in here saving lives using morse code on the ham bands. Wonder why? The Society for Creative Radio Anachronism might have a gig on it. |
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November 4th 06, 06:21 AM
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What is the ARRL's thought on having good amateurs?
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wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Oct 31 2006 6:07 pm Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message wrote: Must you put on your stupid face? Can't you take a typo? Brian, it's the usual PCTA "answer" in debate. :-) Dipschitt trips all over a typo and can't punctuate his way out of a wet paper bag. Ah, but he "saved the day" at some small-time embassy when he used morse to "synchronize his RTTYs!" :-) He said. Sorry, Brian, your statement is as false as Len's. I *didn't* write any such thing. Len purports to quote me. I've not written that I "saved the day" or did I write "syncronize his RTTY's". Now we have Len falsely claiming something and you backing him up. It looks as if the Old Organ Grinder and his red-hatted monkey are back in business. Dave K8MN |
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November 4th 06, 12:47 PM
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What is the ARRL's thought on having good amateurs?
Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Oct 31 2006 6:07 pm Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message wrote: Must you put on your stupid face? Can't you take a typo? Brian, it's the usual PCTA "answer" in debate. :-) Dipschitt trips all over a typo and can't punctuate his way out of a wet paper bag. Ah, but he "saved the day" at some small-time embassy when he used morse to "synchronize his RTTYs!" :-) He said. Sorry, Brian, your statement is as false as Len's. I *didn't* write any such thing. Len purports to quote me. I've not written that I "saved the day" or did I write "syncronize his RTTY's". Dave, you're free to set the record straight. Exactly what did you say? And about your punctuation, this isn't an Oracle database. Put your punctuation inside the quotation marks, not outside. Best ofLuck. |
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November 4th 06, 03:20 PM
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What is the ARRL's thought on having good amateurs?
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Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Oct 31 2006 6:07 pm Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message wrote: Must you put on your stupid face? Can't you take a typo? Brian, it's the usual PCTA "answer" in debate. :-) Dipschitt trips all over a typo and can't punctuate his way out of a wet paper bag. Ah, but he "saved the day" at some small-time embassy when he used morse to "synchronize his RTTYs!" :-) He said. Sorry, Brian, your statement is as false as Len's. I *didn't* write any such thing. Len purports to quote me. I've not written that I "saved the day" or did I write "syncronize his RTTY's". Dave, you're free to set the record straight. Exactly what did you say? You tell me. What did I say? I've already told you what I did not write. And about your punctuation, this isn't an Oracle database. Put your punctuation inside the quotation marks, not outside. Best ofLuck. I'll take it under advisement. Dave K8MN |
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November 6th 06, 01:16 AM
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What is the ARRL's thought on having good amateurs?
Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Oct 31 2006 6:07 pm Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message wrote: Must you put on your stupid face? Can't you take a typo? Brian, it's the usual PCTA "answer" in debate. :-) Dipschitt trips all over a typo and can't punctuate his way out of a wet paper bag. Ah, but he "saved the day" at some small-time embassy when he used morse to "synchronize his RTTYs!" :-) He said. Sorry, Brian, your statement is as false as Len's. I *didn't* write any such thing. Len purports to quote me. I've not written that I "saved the day" or did I write "syncronize his RTTY's". Dave, you're free to set the record straight. Exactly what did you say? You tell me. What did I say? Can't remember, huh? I've already told you what I did not write. At least you remember something, or at least you claim you do. And about your punctuation, this isn't an Oracle database. Put your punctuation inside the quotation marks, not outside. Best ofLuck. I'll take it under advisement. Dave K8MN Please make no change on my account. |
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November 7th 06, 11:34 PM
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What is the ARRL's thought on having good amateurs?
wrote: On 4 Nov 2006 04:47:50 -0800, wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Oct 31 2006 6:07 pm Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message wrote: Must you put on your stupid face? Can't you take a typo? Brian, it's the usual PCTA "answer" in debate. :-) Dipschitt trips all over a typo and can't punctuate his way out of a wet paper bag. Ah, but he "saved the day" at some small-time embassy when he used morse to "synchronize his RTTYs!" :-) He said. Sorry, Brian, your statement is as false as Len's. I *didn't* write any such thing. Len purports to quote me. I've not written that I "saved the day" or did I write "syncronize his RTTY's". Dave, you're free to set the record straight. Exactly what did you say? he doesn't know what he said and like robeson objects to being quoted at all Welp, when you quote Robesin, it's usually something absurd or sick. |
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November 4th 06, 06:44 AM
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What is the ARRL's thought on having good amateurs?
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wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Oct 31 2006 6:07 pm Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message wrote: What we got there in Heil's (altered?) version of his personal biographic factoids is strangely similar to the undetailed, grandiose CLAIMS of the former "war hero of the USMC," Major Dud (Robeson). :-) Other than being in country, Heil has made no claims of direct action or heroism. As far as I'm concerned, he was just another REMF who, years later, is playing everyone as if he were the big hero in "a country at war!" [those REMFs are spotted miles away...] He may have been a REMF, but I don't know. No, you don't know and Len is busy with more falsehoods like "big hero in 'a country at war'". What is really peculiar is Len's spouting off about rear echelon anything. After all, that exactly where *he* spent his time in the military. No problem on proof for me. I've got my records and some of them are digitized (PDF for universality in viewing) from their original form. The official archives in St. Louis (NARA Military Personnel Records Center) has them for proof by anyone with access. I'm good with what Heil has presented. I'm not. He was "in" the USAF but that's all I will accept. That military time should have been good for his guvmint pension accumulation time, though...probably his whole plan for his future? Said he lives in a tar paper shack in WV. That doesn't sound like bragging, and it's something I can believe. Len's statement makes him look quite foolish. Better than a decade passed between the end of my time in the Air Force and the beginning of my employment with the Department of State. FWIW, I think the state dept was merely a vehicle for dxpeditions, not a significant grab for a fat pension. It resulted in good pay, world travel, a chance to put some rare spots on the map and a modest pension. Len Anderson was no more involved in my employment than he is in amateur radio. Oh, my, here comes Major Dud Robeson the II. :-) Naw. He's playing tag with Mark. Whatever. :-) I think all of Marks out-assholing Robesin has finally paid off. I think it has paid off in spades for the Colonel/geophysicist. He is now recognized as a twit in entirely new circles. Since 54 years ago I've been acquainted with (perhaps) hundreds of military personnel both as one myself and (much longer) as a civilian. I don't know of ANY military personnel who "DIDN'T" receive any specialty training after their Basic Training (or Boot Camp for USN and USMC and USCG). There were a handful of billets that were DDA. Most of the unskilled work was handled by folks getting kicked out for various non-adaptability issues. No doubt. Thing is, Heil could usually claim anydamnthing he wanted knowing that few in public venues of now would have been in the Air Force in Vietnam. Just like there are few amateurs who were in the State Department. Given that kind of an "audience," he can get away with all kinds of brags...and saying lots of generalities without going into specifics. My favorite is his brag about working out of band Frenchmen on 6M. At no time did I brag about working out-of-band French stations on any band. I am not responsible for checking the band allocation of any station I work. That matter rests with the responsible licensing authority in that station's country. Live with it. What an idiot. I agree with your self-description. One thing good is that the old "oil burner routes" aren't there in civilian aviation notices...the old SAC practice runs on "targets" similar to USSR target locations. Be thankful that MAD worked! Almost nobody alive today knows about that. Many people alive today know about it, Brian. But...in Heil's case WE don't really know in DETAIL what Heil actually did. He hasn't described it in anything but vague generalities and intimations of work performed. I don't even know if it was fixed or tactical, but that's alright. He implies it was something like "under fire" but that isn't the info I get from folks who worked HF comms there and not much is written up in the Army Center for Military History except NON-morse comms. Len likes to write things like "he implies". I implied no such thing at any time. The fact is that Len doesn't know what I did and he is fishing. The information isn't hard to come by on the web. If Len can't find it, he'll have to stay in the dark. Dave K8MN |
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November 4th 06, 06:29 PM
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What is the ARRL's thought on having good amateurs?
Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Oct 31 2006 6:07 pm Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message wrote: What we got there in Heil's (altered?) version of his personal biographic factoids is strangely similar to the undetailed, grandiose CLAIMS of the former "war hero of the USMC," Major Dud (Robeson). :-) Other than being in country, Heil has made no claims of direct action or heroism. As far as I'm concerned, he was just another REMF who, years later, is playing everyone as if he were the big hero in "a country at war!" [those REMFs are spotted miles away...] He may have been a REMF, but I don't know. No, you don't know I'm pretty sure that's what I said. If you want to debate it, you'll have to look in the archives and repost it. and Len is busy with more falsehoods like "big hero in 'a country at war'". Now, Dave, I've talked to about your punctuation til I'm blue in the face... What is really peculiar is Len's spouting off about rear echelon anything. After all, that exactly where *he* spent his time in the military. At least he made it out of country. No problem on proof for me. I've got my records and some of them are digitized (PDF for universality in viewing) from their original form. The official archives in St. Louis (NARA Military Personnel Records Center) has them for proof by anyone with access. I'm good with what Heil has presented. I'm not. He was "in" the USAF but that's all I will accept. That military time should have been good for his guvmint pension accumulation time, though...probably his whole plan for his future? Said he lives in a tar paper shack in WV. That doesn't sound like bragging, and it's something I can believe. Len's statement makes him look quite foolish. Quiteallright. Better than a decade passed between the end of my time in the Air Force and the beginning of my employment with the Department of State. That's a long time to be unemployed. FWIW, I think the state dept was merely a vehicle for dxpeditions, not a significant grab for a fat pension. It resulted in good pay, world travel, a chance to put some rare spots on the map and a modest pension. Len Anderson was no more involved in my employment than he is in amateur radio. He IS involved in the ARS. He seems content to give the FCC the comments that they've asked for re the ARS. Oh, my, here comes Major Dud Robeson the II. :-) Naw. He's playing tag with Mark. Whatever. :-) I think all of Marks out-assholing Robesin has finally paid off. I think it has paid off in spades for the Colonel/geophysicist. He is now recognized as a twit in entirely new circles. Some people's claim to fame leaves me scratching my head. One's claim to fame is that he out-assholed Robesin, another's is working out of band Frenchmen on 6M. Go figure. Since 54 years ago I've been acquainted with (perhaps) hundreds of military personnel both as one myself and (much longer) as a civilian. I don't know of ANY military personnel who "DIDN'T" receive any specialty training after their Basic Training (or Boot Camp for USN and USMC and USCG). There were a handful of billets that were DDA. Most of the unskilled work was handled by folks getting kicked out for various non-adaptability issues. No doubt. Thing is, Heil could usually claim anydamnthing he wanted knowing that few in public venues of now would have been in the Air Force in Vietnam. Just like there are few amateurs who were in the State Department. Given that kind of an "audience," he can get away with all kinds of brags...and saying lots of generalities without going into specifics. My favorite is his brag about working out of band Frenchmen on 6M. At no time did I brag about working out-of-band French stations on any band. I am not responsible for checking the band allocation of any station I work. That matter rests with the responsible licensing authority in that station's country. Live with it. If you hadn't told us about it, how would we know you did it? What an idiot. I agree with your self-description. Are you now trying to say that you didn't work out of band Frenchmen on 6M? One thing good is that the old "oil burner routes" aren't there in civilian aviation notices...the old SAC practice runs on "targets" similar to USSR target locations. Be thankful that MAD worked! Almost nobody alive today knows about that. Many people alive today know about it, Brian. Most can't even remember 9/11/2001. But...in Heil's case WE don't really know in DETAIL what Heil actually did. He hasn't described it in anything but vague generalities and intimations of work performed. I don't even know if it was fixed or tactical, but that's alright. He implies it was something like "under fire" but that isn't the info I get from folks who worked HF comms there and not much is written up in the Army Center for Military History except NON-morse comms. Len likes to write things like "he implies". I implied no such thing at any time. The fact is that Len doesn't know what I did and he is fishing. Fishing is fun, and it's a little like gambling. You never know when you're going to get lucky. A lot of time you get lucky when you're not even fishing. Like Robesin's "eating his excrement" remark... The information isn't hard to come by on the web. What information? If Len can't find it, he'll have to stay in the dark. Dave K8MN I hope that you've got a layer of foam board underneath that tarpaper. It's been cold lately. |
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What is the ARRL's thought on having good amateurs?
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wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Oct 31 2006 6:07 pm I like 1973, no matter what Jim thinks or says. What about what this guy says: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.w...0?dmode=source He was there. You guys weren't. And until we get or MIA's and POW's all back, I think it's still an open matter. "get or MIA's and POW's all back" ? Did you mean "get our MIAs and POWs all back" ? |
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